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On October 31 2012 22:46 Valkyrian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 22:44 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 31 2012 22:43 Valkyrian wrote:On October 31 2012 22:40 dcemuser wrote:On October 31 2012 22:36 Fleuria wrote:
get to infestor broodlord corruptor, no chance of winning. gg patchzergs More classic misuse of the term patchzerg. Tell me, when did they patch Infestors, Broodlords, or Corruptors again? The way protoss used to beat that was with a variety of all ins which are so much harder to pull cause overlord speed so yeah patch did affect this matchup your probably some shitter who has no idea about the game. and you are some shitter (what) that registered on TL to balance whine Come at me shitter ill destory you.
Dude, let him keep his story.
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On October 31 2012 22:47 Cuce wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 22:37 LimitSEA wrote:On October 31 2012 22:34 liberate71 wrote:On October 31 2012 22:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Lol when I first opened this thread I was on a page that was joking about the seeds this season being no better than foreigners xD I guess Soulkey's seed is closer to naniwa than the standard foreigner ones As in he's made himself easy to dislike?  All he's really done is play zerg and beat a Liquid player in ZvP. The state of the match up can't really be his fault, can it? He played well against Maru, and I won't put his victory against HerO exclusively to balance, though it played it's role for sure. well people are not hating on soulkey. they whine about pvz.
Quite a few people are blatantly indicating that soulkey has just been carried by his race which is as silly as in WC3 when people accused players like lucifron of being carried by orc.
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On October 31 2012 22:39 Grumbels wrote:Would you rather want the opposite, where you can go double hatchery and still survive proxy barracks attacks?
You should ask Happy that :D
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On October 31 2012 22:44 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 22:35 habeck wrote:On October 31 2012 22:33 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 31 2012 22:31 Darkhoarse wrote:
That was ridiculous. If a protoss proxy two gates he can never recover no matter what if it fails. If a zerg six pools he just transitions out without doing any damage... Well, to be honest it screwed up HerO's build quite a bit, but yeah, the other two races have it sooooo tough against Zerg nowadays. well i dont think that 6pool failed, everything went quite good for SOULkey That's the problem- a zerg can 6 pool, throw away all their lings without killing a single worker and still end up economically ahead.
Cause HerO had to fuck about microing probes and then starting a normal gateway expand cause he went FFE...
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On October 31 2012 22:44 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 22:35 habeck wrote:On October 31 2012 22:33 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 31 2012 22:31 Darkhoarse wrote:
That was ridiculous. If a protoss proxy two gates he can never recover no matter what if it fails. If a zerg six pools he just transitions out without doing any damage... Well, to be honest it screwed up HerO's build quite a bit, but yeah, the other two races have it sooooo tough against Zerg nowadays. well i dont think that 6pool failed, everything went quite good for SOULkey That's the problem- a zerg can 6 pool, throw away all their lings without killing a single worker and still end up economically ahead.
He stopped mining for a good 10-15s of all the probes, forced a useless cannon in the main and killed a pylon and a forge. So naturally you assume that is no damage, while in fact, it's exactly what you can hope to get from 6-pooling anyone decent. Heck, you don't kill any more than 1-2 probes with it in Master league.
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On October 31 2012 22:44 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 22:35 habeck wrote:On October 31 2012 22:33 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 31 2012 22:31 Darkhoarse wrote:
That was ridiculous. If a protoss proxy two gates he can never recover no matter what if it fails. If a zerg six pools he just transitions out without doing any damage... Well, to be honest it screwed up HerO's build quite a bit, but yeah, the other two races have it sooooo tough against Zerg nowadays. well i dont think that 6pool failed, everything went quite good for SOULkey That's the problem- a zerg can 6 pool, throw away all their lings without killing a single worker and still end up economically ahead.
When did he throw away his lings ? He killed a pylon , killed a forge , forced a useless cannon , crippled the mining of Hero for a good 20 seconds and forced zealots that were useless . Not to mention that the whole gameplan of Hero was thrown in the trash , so i think the six pool was pretty successful , oh and he didn't lose more then 1 or 2 lings .
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On October 31 2012 22:47 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 22:46 Valkyrian wrote:On October 31 2012 22:44 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 31 2012 22:43 Valkyrian wrote:On October 31 2012 22:40 dcemuser wrote:On October 31 2012 22:36 Fleuria wrote:
get to infestor broodlord corruptor, no chance of winning. gg patchzergs More classic misuse of the term patchzerg. Tell me, when did they patch Infestors, Broodlords, or Corruptors again? The way protoss used to beat that was with a variety of all ins which are so much harder to pull cause overlord speed so yeah patch did affect this matchup your probably some shitter who has no idea about the game. and you are some shitter (what) that registered on TL to balance whine Come at me shitter ill destory you. Dude, let him keep his story.
ROFL I didn't get this at first... im crying with laughter <3 thanks!
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On October 31 2012 22:45 dcemuser wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 22:43 Valkyrian wrote:On October 31 2012 22:40 dcemuser wrote:On October 31 2012 22:36 Fleuria wrote:
get to infestor broodlord corruptor, no chance of winning. gg patchzergs More classic misuse of the term patchzerg. Tell me, when did they patch Infestors, Broodlords, or Corruptors again? The way protoss used to beat that was with a variety of all ins which are so much harder to pull cause overlord speed so yeah patch did affect this matchup your probably some shitter who has no idea about the game. The third game had little to do with the queen buff or the overlord speed buff yet people are still qqing about "patchzergs". There are games of PvZ that are affected by the patch, some more than others, but that one wasn't one of them.
Actually, the Queen patch affects the entire game. Better queens and overlords means zergs can be play much more Eco than before which affects the rest of the game.
Again, I am not questioning whether the patch was justified. Zergs were really weak against hellion contains followed up by a quick push. But to say buffing queens has no effect is not correct. It would be like if bunkers got buffed. You would see a lot more greedy builds from terrans which would allow them much stronger mid game pushes. Although the bunker itself does not make the killing blow, it still contributes.
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On October 31 2012 22:29 TheDougler wrote:
Pretty sure Hero loses this, he has way fewer infestors than Soulkey.
agreed. he needed dem free units.
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On October 31 2012 22:47 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 22:47 Cuce wrote:On October 31 2012 22:37 LimitSEA wrote:On October 31 2012 22:34 liberate71 wrote:On October 31 2012 22:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Lol when I first opened this thread I was on a page that was joking about the seeds this season being no better than foreigners xD I guess Soulkey's seed is closer to naniwa than the standard foreigner ones As in he's made himself easy to dislike? All he's really done is play zerg and beat a Liquid player in ZvP. The state of the match up can't really be his fault, can it? He played well against Maru, and I won't put his victory against HerO exclusively to balance, though it played it's role for sure. well people are not hating on soulkey. they whine about pvz. Quite a few people are blatantly indicating that soulkey has just been carried by his race which is as silly as in WC3 when people accused players like lucifron of being carried by orc.
Although i dont agree on Soulkey case in SC2 being carried by a race, you must admit that Blademaster was silly.And jesus people cut Soulkey some slack. He started playing this summer.
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On October 31 2012 22:40 FakeDeath wrote:
Oh man the protoss tears is just overflowing.
Why must you guys be so upset?
Just chill.
You guys still got Parting,Seed and Squirtle.
Says the zerg.....zerg is the main topic here hahah.
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On October 31 2012 22:49 NightOfTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 22:47 Fusilero wrote:On October 31 2012 22:47 Cuce wrote:On October 31 2012 22:37 LimitSEA wrote:On October 31 2012 22:34 liberate71 wrote:On October 31 2012 22:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Lol when I first opened this thread I was on a page that was joking about the seeds this season being no better than foreigners xD I guess Soulkey's seed is closer to naniwa than the standard foreigner ones As in he's made himself easy to dislike? All he's really done is play zerg and beat a Liquid player in ZvP. The state of the match up can't really be his fault, can it? He played well against Maru, and I won't put his victory against HerO exclusively to balance, though it played it's role for sure. well people are not hating on soulkey. they whine about pvz. Quite a few people are blatantly indicating that soulkey has just been carried by his race which is as silly as in WC3 when people accused players like lucifron of being carried by orc. Although i dont agree on Soulkey case in SC2 being carried by a race, you must admit that Blademaster was silly.
As an undead player I will say fuck blademaster and leave it at that but lucifron was legit as some idiots would say otherwise.
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On October 31 2012 22:47 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 22:47 Cuce wrote:On October 31 2012 22:37 LimitSEA wrote:On October 31 2012 22:34 liberate71 wrote:On October 31 2012 22:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Lol when I first opened this thread I was on a page that was joking about the seeds this season being no better than foreigners xD I guess Soulkey's seed is closer to naniwa than the standard foreigner ones As in he's made himself easy to dislike? All he's really done is play zerg and beat a Liquid player in ZvP. The state of the match up can't really be his fault, can it? He played well against Maru, and I won't put his victory against HerO exclusively to balance, though it played it's role for sure. well people are not hating on soulkey. they whine about pvz. Quite a few people are blatantly indicating that soulkey has just been carried by his race which is as silly as in WC3 when people accused players like lucifron of being carried by orc.
No doubt Soulkey is a good player but his wins vs Hero took pretty much no skill at all. He defended against harass very poorly on Whirlwind and just sat on 3.5 bases until he was invincible. Game 3 he won the toss up of 'drones or lings' after 6pool vs FFE.
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On October 31 2012 22:46 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 22:44 Sc2Null wrote:On October 31 2012 22:42 Zane wrote:On October 31 2012 22:40 LimitSEA wrote:On October 31 2012 22:36 andaylin wrote:On October 31 2012 22:35 dcemuser wrote:On October 31 2012 22:32 plasmidghost wrote:
There is an unbelievable amount of balance whine tonight, like, some of the worst I've seen in over a year.
Anyways, gogo Soulkey! Hero is very popular and on Liquid, so it isn't entirely unexpected, but yeah, this is pretty bad. Most people are just fed up with zerg imo. I mean, I think everyone is lol. I think it should be more ZvP than zerg on it's own. Or infestors. But I think ZvP is the real crux of the problem right now. Just a terrible match up all around. Is ZvT that much better right now? Not really imo. I like playing ZvT...ZvP is immortal-sentry or vortex..take your pick I actually haven't seen a game winning vortex in GSL for quite some time. zergs have gotten really good at either neural, rush the MS with corrupters or just have a good enough spread that vortex doesn't do much.
Did you watch Curious vs Hero on entombed today????? Vortex won that game...
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On October 31 2012 22:50 Serelitz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 22:47 Fusilero wrote:On October 31 2012 22:47 Cuce wrote:On October 31 2012 22:37 LimitSEA wrote:On October 31 2012 22:34 liberate71 wrote:On October 31 2012 22:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Lol when I first opened this thread I was on a page that was joking about the seeds this season being no better than foreigners xD I guess Soulkey's seed is closer to naniwa than the standard foreigner ones As in he's made himself easy to dislike? All he's really done is play zerg and beat a Liquid player in ZvP. The state of the match up can't really be his fault, can it? He played well against Maru, and I won't put his victory against HerO exclusively to balance, though it played it's role for sure. well people are not hating on soulkey. they whine about pvz. Quite a few people are blatantly indicating that soulkey has just been carried by his race which is as silly as in WC3 when people accused players like lucifron of being carried by orc. No doubt Soulkey is a good player but his wins vs Hero took pretty much no skill at all. He defended against harass very poorly on Whirlwind and just sat on 3.5 bases until he was invincible. Game 3 he won the toss up of 'drones or lings' after 6pool vs FFE.
His wins were pretty silly but people should not be discrediting soulkey as a player because of them.
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On October 31 2012 22:49 vultdylan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 22:29 TheDougler wrote:
Pretty sure Hero loses this, he has way fewer infestors than Soulkey. agreed. he needed dem free units.
Infestor warp ins via warp prism into his main would have won that imo.
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On October 31 2012 22:51 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 22:50 Serelitz wrote:On October 31 2012 22:47 Fusilero wrote:On October 31 2012 22:47 Cuce wrote:On October 31 2012 22:37 LimitSEA wrote:On October 31 2012 22:34 liberate71 wrote:On October 31 2012 22:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Lol when I first opened this thread I was on a page that was joking about the seeds this season being no better than foreigners xD I guess Soulkey's seed is closer to naniwa than the standard foreigner ones As in he's made himself easy to dislike? All he's really done is play zerg and beat a Liquid player in ZvP. The state of the match up can't really be his fault, can it? He played well against Maru, and I won't put his victory against HerO exclusively to balance, though it played it's role for sure. well people are not hating on soulkey. they whine about pvz. Quite a few people are blatantly indicating that soulkey has just been carried by his race which is as silly as in WC3 when people accused players like lucifron of being carried by orc. No doubt Soulkey is a good player but his wins vs Hero took pretty much no skill at all. He defended against harass very poorly on Whirlwind and just sat on 3.5 bases until he was invincible. Game 3 he won the toss up of 'drones or lings' after 6pool vs FFE. His wins were pretty silly but people should not be discrediting soulkey as a player because of them.
yes they should.
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So how many patchzergs will go through tomorrow place your bets.
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On October 31 2012 22:53 Valkyrian wrote:
So how many patchzergs will go through tomorrow place your bets.
Hyun is the only zerg and he was legit way before the patch so stfu.
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On October 31 2012 22:52 Lightspeaker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 22:49 vultdylan wrote:On October 31 2012 22:29 TheDougler wrote:
Pretty sure Hero loses this, he has way fewer infestors than Soulkey. agreed. he needed dem free units. Infestor warp ins via warp prism into his main would have won that imo.
The key to saving ZvP. Infestors for everyone!
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