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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 21 2012 13:52 GMT
#1561
On October 21 2012 22:51 Embir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 22:47 Surili wrote:
On October 21 2012 22:41 eieio wrote:
On October 21 2012 22:40 TheHova wrote:
On October 21 2012 22:39 eieio wrote:
On October 21 2012 22:38 TheHova wrote:
On October 21 2012 22:36 eieio wrote:
Wow I guess if Fraer defends this he wins but I'm pretty sure he can't...


Nah, that's the thing... Even if you defend against it. You still don't win. You just get to the next phase.


I don't play this matchup(I'm T, clearly), but I always kinda assumed it was like holding two base muta in bw tvz or something, I guess I'm wrong?


Yep, the Zerg takes multiple bases and a huge econ behind it. Then goes Hive and spines up. There's no timing and you never win a base race against mutas.


hahaha shows how much I know about the matchup, thanks man. That actually makes a lot of sense, having no timing to win on seems pretty deadly for p to me.


Can't they just remove Broods from the game, and replace them with something else? They are almost an a move unit that just make the game boring in PvZ sometimes :/


Broods aren't the problem, the problem is Infestor. It is unit that counters micro and all units in the game. Hell it is so fast I can't even EMP it sometimes.


Broodlings blocking unit movement on the ground is anti micro too though ;o

i would rather have guardians.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
October 21 2012 13:52 GMT
#1562
On October 21 2012 22:49 Sent. wrote:
Fraer didn't play bad vs Bly, but I wonder how could he beat Nerchio.

First game was DT rush against no lair, no evo, second game he won was straightforward PvZ, midgame push with lots of micro, stalled until infestors came out but fraer built up too many units.

He's very good against players who go roaches into infestors a lot, but vs hydras and mutas into infestors he looks a bit worse.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
October 21 2012 13:52 GMT
#1563
On October 21 2012 22:50 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 22:49 Sent. wrote:
Fraer didn't play bad vs Bly, but I wonder how could he beat Nerchio.

Sometimes players are just unable to beat someone else nerchio has this vs fraer.


Like ClouD vs GoOdy or MKP vs Mvp?

Interesting. I don't remember other instances where fraer beat Nerchio. Could you shed a bit of light?
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 13:53:26
October 21 2012 13:53 GMT
#1564
ROFL, best vid ever!!!!

MC Apollo on the stage, ladies and gentlemen!
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
October 21 2012 13:53 GMT
#1565
MC rApollo rap! DH is awesome as usuall!
EZ4ENCE
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 13:55:16
October 21 2012 13:53 GMT
#1566
On October 21 2012 22:51 Embir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 22:47 Surili wrote:
On October 21 2012 22:41 eieio wrote:
On October 21 2012 22:40 TheHova wrote:
On October 21 2012 22:39 eieio wrote:
On October 21 2012 22:38 TheHova wrote:
On October 21 2012 22:36 eieio wrote:
Wow I guess if Fraer defends this he wins but I'm pretty sure he can't...


Nah, that's the thing... Even if you defend against it. You still don't win. You just get to the next phase.


I don't play this matchup(I'm T, clearly), but I always kinda assumed it was like holding two base muta in bw tvz or something, I guess I'm wrong?


Yep, the Zerg takes multiple bases and a huge econ behind it. Then goes Hive and spines up. There's no timing and you never win a base race against mutas.


hahaha shows how much I know about the matchup, thanks man. That actually makes a lot of sense, having no timing to win on seems pretty deadly for p to me.


Can't they just remove Broods from the game, and replace them with something else? They are almost an a move unit that just make the game boring in PvZ sometimes :/


Broods aren't the problem, the problem is Infestor. It is unit that counters micro and all units in the game. Hell it is so fast I can't even EMP it sometimes.


The big overall design problems are 1) Z lair tech units are insanely cost inefficient on their own so Z NEEDS hive to close off games and 2) at least in pvz, the combination of broodlords, infestors and spines, and the over reliance of P on Vortex to kill the deathball.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
October 21 2012 13:53 GMT
#1567
On October 21 2012 22:51 Embir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 22:47 Surili wrote:
On October 21 2012 22:41 eieio wrote:
On October 21 2012 22:40 TheHova wrote:
On October 21 2012 22:39 eieio wrote:
On October 21 2012 22:38 TheHova wrote:
On October 21 2012 22:36 eieio wrote:
Wow I guess if Fraer defends this he wins but I'm pretty sure he can't...


Nah, that's the thing... Even if you defend against it. You still don't win. You just get to the next phase.


I don't play this matchup(I'm T, clearly), but I always kinda assumed it was like holding two base muta in bw tvz or something, I guess I'm wrong?


Yep, the Zerg takes multiple bases and a huge econ behind it. Then goes Hive and spines up. There's no timing and you never win a base race against mutas.


hahaha shows how much I know about the matchup, thanks man. That actually makes a lot of sense, having no timing to win on seems pretty deadly for p to me.


Can't they just remove Broods from the game, and replace them with something else? They are almost an a move unit that just make the game boring in PvZ sometimes :/


Broods aren't the problem, the problem is Infestor. It is unit that counters micro and all units in the game. Hell it is so fast I can't even EMP it sometimes.


really not trying to get into a balance whine but I kinda agree, units that can't move getting owned by broodlords is just gross.

I'm T but I kinda cry when stalkers get fungaled and destroyed by broods.
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TL+ Member
hwatti
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland136 Posts
October 21 2012 13:53 GMT
#1568
rApollo is backkkk! :D

Now for some TLO!
Weird side out
Gonzo103
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany220 Posts
October 21 2012 13:53 GMT
#1569
On October 21 2012 22:50 Skelith wrote:
nerchio isnt a fan of TLO! great matchup


...? why isn´t he a fan of TLO? few days ago i watched tlo´s stream when he beats nerchio. Nerchio wrote" god damn TLO u are so good"
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 21 2012 13:53 GMT
#1570
On October 21 2012 22:52 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 22:50 Fusilero wrote:
On October 21 2012 22:49 Sent. wrote:
Fraer didn't play bad vs Bly, but I wonder how could he beat Nerchio.

Sometimes players are just unable to beat someone else nerchio has this vs fraer.


Like ClouD vs GoOdy or MKP vs Mvp?

Interesting. I don't remember other instances where fraer beat Nerchio. Could you shed a bit of light?

Online tournaments, fraer is 13-3 vs nerchio somehow
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=4155&part=games&league=standard#tblt-19508-1-default-0-Nerchio
Glorious SEA doto
Darneck
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1394 Posts
October 21 2012 13:54 GMT
#1571
ahahaha MC apollo's return
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
October 21 2012 13:54 GMT
#1572
On October 21 2012 22:52 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 22:50 Fusilero wrote:
On October 21 2012 22:49 Sent. wrote:
Fraer didn't play bad vs Bly, but I wonder how could he beat Nerchio.

Sometimes players are just unable to beat someone else nerchio has this vs fraer.


Like ClouD vs GoOdy or MKP vs Mvp?

Interesting. I don't remember other instances where fraer beat Nerchio. Could you shed a bit of light?


Beats him online a lot. Think he beat him at a previous DH too.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
October 21 2012 13:54 GMT
#1573
Rapollo [image loading]
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
October 21 2012 13:54 GMT
#1574
On October 21 2012 22:53 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 22:52 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On October 21 2012 22:50 Fusilero wrote:
On October 21 2012 22:49 Sent. wrote:
Fraer didn't play bad vs Bly, but I wonder how could he beat Nerchio.

Sometimes players are just unable to beat someone else nerchio has this vs fraer.


Like ClouD vs GoOdy or MKP vs Mvp?

Interesting. I don't remember other instances where fraer beat Nerchio. Could you shed a bit of light?

Online tournaments, fraer is 13-3 vs nerchio somehow
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=4155&part=games&league=standard#tblt-19508-1-default-0-Nerchio


Sick hahaha.

Like I said guys, fraer is no loser. :D
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
October 21 2012 13:54 GMT
#1575
lmao I'm dying stop playing MC apollo or I'll wake up my housemates.
LiquidDota Staff
TL+ Member
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
October 21 2012 13:54 GMT
#1576
Balance complaining reminds me DotA forums
Earlier BW threads were more to discuss players' skils rather than imbalance of the races.
... though pre-Bisu pvz was like autoloss for toss
patyrykin.net
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
October 21 2012 13:54 GMT
#1577
should be balanced around with Ultras being the de-facto tier 3 tech.
MMA: The true King of Wings
WeedRa
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany815 Posts
October 21 2012 13:54 GMT
#1578
rofl @Apollo-rap
umelbumel
Profile Joined January 2011
2026 Posts
October 21 2012 13:55 GMT
#1579
On October 21 2012 22:52 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 22:51 umelbumel wrote:
pvz was once a pretty good matchup. The last good pvz I remember in the recent past was Nerchio vs. Grubby. I don't say one race is much stronger than the other. It's just always the same shit. :-(

Starnan vs sortof was a fun PvZ, I think it's that a good PvZ is one where zerg loses when zerg wins the protoss looks hopeless and it's just stupid while when protoss wins the protoss gets to look like a boss if it's not lol archon toilet.

I will put my faith in DRG vs. Rain in the OSL finals. Rain will pull of some pretty good moves I think. We'll see.
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
October 21 2012 13:55 GMT
#1580
On October 21 2012 22:54 eieio wrote:
lmao I'm dying stop playing MC apollo or I'll wake up my housemates.


ahhhh the gods of dreamhack listened, thank goodness.
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