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On October 21 2012 21:52 DOUDOU wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:50 Dodgin wrote:On October 21 2012 21:42 SupLilSon wrote:On October 21 2012 21:36 MBH wrote:On October 21 2012 21:34 00Visor wrote:
3rd Foreigner Dreamhack Win 2012 At least Europeans can kinda defend their home ground unless Korea sends out the real heavy-hitters hehe... A Korean who doesn't train or compete in Korea is just a foreigner. This is an interesting way to look at it, and I can't say i disagree. We make the distinction between Foreigner and Korean because of the Korean training and competing in the GSL, right? So is Sage really a Korean in the Starcraft sense? It's an interesting question. forGG is a damn good foreigner
PuMa also did really well for EG at first, winning a few major titles and placing high in other major tournaments, yet look where he is now... To a lesser extent, Fnatic Rain was also pretty successful at first, doing pretty well in MLG, but where is he now? viOlet also hit his peak after leaving Korea, but he's faltered quite a bit as of late.
Maybe the sample size is too small, yet I can't shake off this menacing feeling.
Hopefully our beloved pretender will only improve and do even better as time goes by ;_;
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On October 21 2012 21:56 StarVe wrote:
These points are always brought up but in the end the discussion is pretty useless because everyone labels players in a way that suits themselves and supports their points.
You can't classify these kinds of things. I really only have players I enjoy watching and others I don't really care about. Everything else is just for fun.
I think the foreigner vs Korean is silly anyway pick the player you like the most rather than arbitrary labels based on ethnicity.
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On October 21 2012 21:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:52 DOUDOU wrote:On October 21 2012 21:50 Dodgin wrote:On October 21 2012 21:42 SupLilSon wrote:On October 21 2012 21:36 MBH wrote:On October 21 2012 21:34 00Visor wrote:
3rd Foreigner Dreamhack Win 2012 At least Europeans can kinda defend their home ground unless Korea sends out the real heavy-hitters hehe... A Korean who doesn't train or compete in Korea is just a foreigner. This is an interesting way to look at it, and I can't say i disagree. We make the distinction between Foreigner and Korean because of the Korean training and competing in the GSL, right? So is Sage really a Korean in the Starcraft sense? It's an interesting question. forGG is a damn good foreigner PuMa also did really well for EG at first, winning a few major titles and placing high in other major tournaments, yet look where he is now... To a lesser extent, Fnatic Rain was also pretty successful at first, doing pretty well in MLG, but where is he now? viOlet also hit his peak after leaving Korea, but he's faltered quite a bit as of late. Maybe the sample size is too small, yet I can't shake off this menacing feeling. Hopefully our beloved pretender will only improve and do even better as time goes by ;_;
Puma and Rain are still in Korea, they're just on foreign teams.
On October 21 2012 21:57 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:56 StarVe wrote:
These points are always brought up but in the end the discussion is pretty useless because everyone labels players in a way that suits themselves and supports their points.
You can't classify these kinds of things. I really only have players I enjoy watching and others I don't really care about. Everything else is just for fun. I think the foreigner vs Korean is silly anyway pick the player you like the most rather than arbitrary labels based on ethnicity.
That's what I meant! 
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For fucks sake, Korean is a nationality.
Discuss "Korean training style" or something if you need to fetishize a small southeast asian country.
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On October 21 2012 21:52 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:50 Dodgin wrote:On October 21 2012 21:42 SupLilSon wrote:On October 21 2012 21:36 MBH wrote:On October 21 2012 21:34 00Visor wrote:
3rd Foreigner Dreamhack Win 2012 At least Europeans can kinda defend their home ground unless Korea sends out the real heavy-hitters hehe... A Korean who doesn't train or compete in Korea is just a foreigner. This is an interesting way to look at it, and I can't say i disagree. We make the distinction between Foreigner and Korean because of the Korean training and competing in the GSL, right? So is Sage really a Korean in the Starcraft sense? It's an interesting question. So is MaNa a Korean?
IMHO, the citizenship decides, which would mean, that he is´nt. But anyway, he came back to poland like a week or so, so no in any case.
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On October 21 2012 21:57 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On October 21 2012 21:52 DOUDOU wrote:On October 21 2012 21:50 Dodgin wrote:On October 21 2012 21:42 SupLilSon wrote:On October 21 2012 21:36 MBH wrote:On October 21 2012 21:34 00Visor wrote:
3rd Foreigner Dreamhack Win 2012 At least Europeans can kinda defend their home ground unless Korea sends out the real heavy-hitters hehe... A Korean who doesn't train or compete in Korea is just a foreigner. This is an interesting way to look at it, and I can't say i disagree. We make the distinction between Foreigner and Korean because of the Korean training and competing in the GSL, right? So is Sage really a Korean in the Starcraft sense? It's an interesting question. forGG is a damn good foreigner PuMa also did really well for EG at first, winning a few major titles and placing high in other major tournaments, yet look where he is now... To a lesser extent, Fnatic Rain was also pretty successful at first, doing pretty well in MLG, but where is he now? viOlet also hit his peak after leaving Korea, but he's faltered quite a bit as of late. Maybe the sample size is too small, yet I can't shake off this menacing feeling. Hopefully our beloved pretender will only improve and do even better as time goes by ;_; Puma and Rain are still in Korea, they're just on foreign teams.
I was referring to PuMa during his stay at the EG Lair and Rain before the Fnatic team house opened, sorry for not including that explicitly >_<
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On October 21 2012 21:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:52 DOUDOU wrote:On October 21 2012 21:50 Dodgin wrote:On October 21 2012 21:42 SupLilSon wrote:On October 21 2012 21:36 MBH wrote:On October 21 2012 21:34 00Visor wrote:
3rd Foreigner Dreamhack Win 2012 At least Europeans can kinda defend their home ground unless Korea sends out the real heavy-hitters hehe... A Korean who doesn't train or compete in Korea is just a foreigner. This is an interesting way to look at it, and I can't say i disagree. We make the distinction between Foreigner and Korean because of the Korean training and competing in the GSL, right? So is Sage really a Korean in the Starcraft sense? It's an interesting question. forGG is a damn good foreigner PuMa also did really well for EG at first, winning a few major titles and placing high in other major tournaments, yet look where he is now... To a lesser extent, Fnatic Rain was also pretty successful at first, doing pretty well in MLG, but where is he now? viOlet also hit his peak after leaving Korea, but he's faltered quite a bit as of late. Maybe the sample size is too small, yet I can't shake off this menacing feeling. Hopefully our beloved pretender will only improve and do even better as time goes by ;_;
ForGG's performance at Dreamhack Valencia was the best of his entire (sc2) career, if he can keep that up he will be more successful than he ever was in Korea. I wouldn't worry about him.
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On October 21 2012 21:58 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On October 21 2012 21:52 DOUDOU wrote:On October 21 2012 21:50 Dodgin wrote:On October 21 2012 21:42 SupLilSon wrote:On October 21 2012 21:36 MBH wrote:On October 21 2012 21:34 00Visor wrote:
3rd Foreigner Dreamhack Win 2012 At least Europeans can kinda defend their home ground unless Korea sends out the real heavy-hitters hehe... A Korean who doesn't train or compete in Korea is just a foreigner. This is an interesting way to look at it, and I can't say i disagree. We make the distinction between Foreigner and Korean because of the Korean training and competing in the GSL, right? So is Sage really a Korean in the Starcraft sense? It's an interesting question. forGG is a damn good foreigner PuMa also did really well for EG at first, winning a few major titles and placing high in other major tournaments, yet look where he is now... To a lesser extent, Fnatic Rain was also pretty successful at first, doing pretty well in MLG, but where is he now? viOlet also hit his peak after leaving Korea, but he's faltered quite a bit as of late. Maybe the sample size is too small, yet I can't shake off this menacing feeling. Hopefully our beloved pretender will only improve and do even better as time goes by ;_; ForGG's performance at Dreamhack Valencia was the best of his entire (sc2) career, if he can keep that up he will be more successful than he ever was in Korea. I wouldn't worry about him.
He means SC2 career guys do not make 50 fucking posts saying "BUT ARENA MSL"
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On October 21 2012 21:58 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On October 21 2012 21:52 DOUDOU wrote:On October 21 2012 21:50 Dodgin wrote:On October 21 2012 21:42 SupLilSon wrote:On October 21 2012 21:36 MBH wrote:On October 21 2012 21:34 00Visor wrote:
3rd Foreigner Dreamhack Win 2012 At least Europeans can kinda defend their home ground unless Korea sends out the real heavy-hitters hehe... A Korean who doesn't train or compete in Korea is just a foreigner. This is an interesting way to look at it, and I can't say i disagree. We make the distinction between Foreigner and Korean because of the Korean training and competing in the GSL, right? So is Sage really a Korean in the Starcraft sense? It's an interesting question. forGG is a damn good foreigner PuMa also did really well for EG at first, winning a few major titles and placing high in other major tournaments, yet look where he is now... To a lesser extent, Fnatic Rain was also pretty successful at first, doing pretty well in MLG, but where is he now? viOlet also hit his peak after leaving Korea, but he's faltered quite a bit as of late. Maybe the sample size is too small, yet I can't shake off this menacing feeling. Hopefully our beloved pretender will only improve and do even better as time goes by ;_; ForGG's performance at Dreamhack Valencia was the best of his entire (sc2) career, if he can keep that up he will be more successful than he ever was in Korea. I wouldn't worry about him.
Well yeah, my point is that the same applies for the players I mentioned above. They too hit their peaks when they were staying abroad, then descended into mediocrity.
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Btw Fraer vs Bly is a really good story imo. The online beast Fraer who's finally getting some more offline spotlight vs the veteran in Bly, always consistent but never some one you expect to take down majors, a semi-final for either of them is gonna be a really good boost to them, personally I hope for Fraer as I'd love to see him develop into a tournament winning player. Does anyone know if he's fulltime btw? I figure he must be with the insane amount of cups and stuff he plays in lol.
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On October 21 2012 21:57 eieio wrote:
For fucks sake, Korean is a nationality.
Discuss "Korean training style" or something if you need to fetishize a small southeast asian country.
Right, I agree. We should stop labeling players based on nationality. " Sage is a Korean, beating him is impressive "
Is it really more impressive than beating someone like Sase or Nerchio? In my opinion, no it is not.
" Korean " is a label that is supposed to mean " elite " in Starcraft, why else do we distinguish only South Korean players from the rest of the world?
Sage is not better than a LOT of foreigners ( imo )
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On October 21 2012 22:00 CryMeAReaper wrote:
Btw Fraer vs Bly is a really good story imo. The online beast Fraer who's finally getting some more offline spotlight vs the veteran in Bly, always consistent but never some one you expect to take down majors, a semi-final for either of them is gonna be a really good boost to them, personally I hope for Fraer as I'd love to see him develop into a tournament winning player. Does anyone know if he's fulltime btw? I figure he must be with the insane amount of cups and stuff he plays in lol.
Tbh fraer had his storyline at summer bly's online hero turned offline champ is a new story.
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On October 21 2012 22:00 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:57 eieio wrote:
For fucks sake, Korean is a nationality.
Discuss "Korean training style" or something if you need to fetishize a small southeast asian country. Right, I agree. We should stop labeling players based on nationality. " Sage is a Korean, beating him is impressive " Is it really more impressive than beating someone like Sase or Nerchio? In my opinion, no it is not. " Korean " is a label that is supposed to mean " elite " in Starcraft, why else do we distinguish only South Korean players from the rest of the world?
We've had this discussion like 500 times, and the outcome is always the same... Let's just enjoy teh games :p?
Korean training = u train in korea
Foreigner = You were born outside of korea
Korean = You were born inside of korea
Now move on :D!
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Welp this is getting a bit awkward I guess redeye over estimated fraer's english.
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Tight pants there Bly, ball crushers o0
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meanwhile on the GOMtv LoL stream ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/53eGb.png)
Ah well, cheering for Fraer in this match
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Whew, glad that wasn't akward...
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On October 21 2012 21:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:52 DOUDOU wrote:On October 21 2012 21:50 Dodgin wrote:On October 21 2012 21:42 SupLilSon wrote:On October 21 2012 21:36 MBH wrote:On October 21 2012 21:34 00Visor wrote:
3rd Foreigner Dreamhack Win 2012 At least Europeans can kinda defend their home ground unless Korea sends out the real heavy-hitters hehe... A Korean who doesn't train or compete in Korea is just a foreigner. This is an interesting way to look at it, and I can't say i disagree. We make the distinction between Foreigner and Korean because of the Korean training and competing in the GSL, right? So is Sage really a Korean in the Starcraft sense? It's an interesting question. forGG is a damn good foreigner PuMa also did really well for EG at first, winning a few major titles and placing high in other major tournaments, yet look where he is now...
irrelevant, puma is cursed
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On October 21 2012 22:00 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 21:57 eieio wrote:
For fucks sake, Korean is a nationality.
Discuss "Korean training style" or something if you need to fetishize a small southeast asian country. Right, I agree. We should stop labeling players based on nationality. " Sage is a Korean, beating him is impressive " Is it really more impressive than beating someone like Sase or Nerchio? In my opinion, no it is not. " Korean " is a label that is supposed to mean " elite " in Starcraft, why else do we distinguish only South Korean players from the rest of the world? Sage is not better than a LOT of foreigners ( imo )
Wow this actually make sense, I be damn there is hope for TL forums after all.
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On October 21 2012 21:57 eieio wrote:
For fucks sake, Korean is a nationality.
Discuss "Korean training style" or something if you need to fetishize a small southeast asian country.
Southeast?
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