[Code S] Ro16 Group B: 2012 GSL Season 4 - Page 55

On September 27 2012 20:24 CodeskyE wrote:
The real problem is Mothership.

Sure it works for Protoss players against Zerg, but when it gets neuraled and your own units get vortexed by your own Mothership, then you basically lose the game as well.

On September 27 2012 20:26 Myrddraal wrote:


I think the more annoying thing is that Hero was so far ahead and kept killing so much but he just couldn't finish of Leenock. In any other match up with that much of an advantage the game would have been over in Hero's favour much earlier.

*not saying Zerg op because balance whining isn't my thing, but it is frustrating to see it happen to my favourite player.

On September 27 2012 20:23 budar wrote:
Amazing play by Leenock in that engagement to be honest. But still, this is the reason why I was pissed when the mothership was announced to be in this game in the first place (or any other "hero unit"). The whole reason why PvZ lategame is retarded is because the mothership is the most god awful unit ever. The whole dynamic around vortex is just dumb, and I think pretty much everyone agrees with that. I was super disappointed when they decided to keep the mothership (and vortex) in HotS.

I'm aware Protoss can't do anything else to counter broodlord/infestor, but the whole point is that with the mothership out, another way would emerge either trough metagame changes or balance changes. Keep in mind that Zerg actually can't do anything else lategame than go broodlord/infestor either because everything else is completely worthless against the "deathball".

On September 27 2012 20:27 Jehct wrote:

No, he was fucked. He lost an army worth ~6k/6k while the zerg player retained almost his entire army (again, ~6k/6k). You don't mine gas fast enough to get a comparable army before he kills your mining bases.

Consider that you're mining ~800gas/minute (4 base). To get a decent army you need ~3-4k gas; that's 4-5 minutes. Then consider all the tech you need to rebuild - that's another ~400 gas (200 if you just rebuild archives/core). And that's without even considering minerals/probes/gateway rebuilding.

On September 27 2012 20:28 Archybaldie wrote:
Patch 1.4.0

We wanted to try to bring in a unit that’s rarely used back into the action in order to potentially create new viable strategies for protoss. In the end, it came down to a choice between the Carrier and the Mothership.
We decided to go with the Mothership ...

On September 27 2012 20:26 DazZle. wrote:



More multi attacks? Did you even watch the game?

On September 27 2012 20:27 Maloreon wrote:
Haha, this happens in other matchups (in every match up). Just because a player plays well during the majority of the game does not mean he "deserves" to win. As we say in chess, the game is not won by he who makes the most mistakes but lost by he who makes the last mistake. Meaning, the ultimate mistake. Deal with it.

On September 27 2012 20:24 Maloreon wrote:
Leenock picked that map because he's just got insane control and decisions in late game fights, I've seen him do this in dozens of games. He also picks that map vs. Terran for the same reason.

Protoss player does lots of great harassment all game and then plays HORRIBLY in major engagement and loses... this happens in EVERY matchup dudes. u mad?

On September 27 2012 20:27 shabby wrote:
I've seen Stephano be denied bases and tech to broodlord infestor off 2 and 3 bases before and win, several times. I never see this much whine when he does.

On September 27 2012 20:27 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Shit I gtg to class I completely forgot it's Thursday. I thought it was Wednesday for some reason. Can someone else LR the rest of the series? Thanks!

On September 27 2012 20:27 Megabuster123 wrote:
I feel like people are overrating hero's play that game he basically played a standard Antiga Shipyard vs Zerg but let the zerg max on a deathball with only three bases and then let 5 colossus get neuralled for no reason..>_>