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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On September 20 2012 23:56 red4ce wrote: Seed is the jjakji of protoss. He got his 1 GSL but the future belongs to Creator, Squirtle, Hero and whichever Kespa protoss emerge from the pack. No.................... | ||
Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On September 20 2012 23:57 Douillos wrote: I see a fuck load of toss' bitching about late game pvz, but hey remember you got late game pvt to compensate where you can just 1-a and scratch balls. See we can all QQ  The difference is, you can actually win as terran even if protoss doesn't screw up. It's still hard, I agree, but it's doable. | ||
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
On September 20 2012 23:57 DarkLordOlli wrote: So your point is...................? I'm saying protoss doesn't have an advantage early/midgame. If anything, protoss is the weakest race early game. (hence addition of mothership core.) Protoss midgame is weak until that ONE moment when they push out for a 3 base timing. If protoss wins early/midgame it's because they set it up to win the game at that point. = ALL IN ...... My point is protoss early game is too strong. | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On September 20 2012 23:59 ElephantBaby wrote: ...... My point is protoss early game is too strong. So what are you scared of, the cannons or the units they don't have early game? | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On September 20 2012 23:59 DarkLordOlli wrote: The difference is, you can actually win as terran even if protoss doesn't screw up. It's still hard, I agree, but it's doable. Not Really. If protoss doesn't screw up(Watch By.Sun stomp Taeja and Polt using literally flawless defense and harassment and finally killing them),terran stand very little chance. Taeja and Polt are one of the best PvTers but they got stomped and outplayed by Sun. | ||
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
On September 21 2012 00:00 DarkLordOlli wrote: So what are you scared of, the cannons or the units they don't have early game? Warpgate!!!! This should be a tech after stargate or templar archive. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On September 20 2012 23:57 Douillos wrote: I see a fuck load of toss' bitching about late game pvz, but hey remember you got late game pvt to compensate where you can just 1-a and scratch balls. See we can all QQ haha i wouldnt exactly put it like that. But i do think that blizzard would say the same thing about PvZ as they say about PvT, just the other way around. In the case of PvZ blizzard has designed zerg to have the ultimate lategame army and protoss needs to do some damage to prevent zerg from getting to that lategame to comfortably. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On September 20 2012 23:59 ElephantBaby wrote: ...... My point is protoss early game is too strong. And your point is invalid. That's not true at all. Early game pvt is a nightmare since marauders with conc shell are cost effective against all T1 gateway Protoss can make until charge or blink. Early game PvZ doesn't really exist, but midgame PvZ is awful too because of how good roaches are in the 10-14 minute mark, and how much map control mutas can give you against Protoss. | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On September 21 2012 00:00 FakeDeath wrote: Not Really. If protoss doesn't screw up(Watch By.Sun stomp Taeja and Polt using literally flawless defense and harassment and finally killing them),terran stand very little chance. Taeja and Polt are one of the best PvTers but they got stomped and outplayed by Sun. Taeja didn't defend well at all so he definitely made mistakes that were punished. Also if they got outplayed then I guess the winner deserves it and it has nothing to do with balance? | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
On September 20 2012 23:59 DarkLordOlli wrote: The difference is, you can actually win as terran even if protoss doesn't screw up. It's still hard, I agree, but it's doable. I think its the same thing in pvz than it is in tvp. If you dont do proper damage in mid game / early late game to your opponent, your fucked. DEAL WITH IT. | ||
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zerino
Denmark253 Posts
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Bam Lee
2336 Posts
On September 21 2012 00:02 Fjodorov wrote: haha i wouldnt exactly put it like that. But i do think that blizzard would say the same thing about PvZ as they say about PvT, just the other way around. In the case of PvZ blizzard has designed zerg to have the ultimate lategame army and protoss needs to do some damage to prevent zerg from getting to that lategame to comfortably. And that most of the times results in the zerg pretty much dying or the protoss having to many losses and dying | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
At the 7:30/8 minute mark? You already have a roach warren, which counters any early warpgate pushes. | ||
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CaptainCrush
United States785 Posts
Actually, I agree with him. I don't think seed will ever make it to another GSL final. | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On September 21 2012 00:02 DarkLordOlli wrote: Taeja didn't defend well at all. Also if they got outplayed then I guess the winner deserves it and it has nothing to do with balance? lol exactly, and the game when Polt played flawlessly, he won...  this bias is silly.Yesterday was one of the cleanest days ever in terms of any reason to whine about balance. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On September 21 2012 00:03 Douillos wrote: I think its the same thing in pvz than it is in tvp. If you dont do proper damage in mid game / early late game to your opponent, your fucked. DEAL WITH IT. How do you do damage though? Roaches counter any warpgate pushes if your build is at all crisp, queens counter air play and honestly if you let a warp prism warp in sentries and FF your ramp you deserve to lose anyways. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On September 21 2012 00:04 CaptainCrush wrote: Actually, I agree with him. I don't think seed will ever make it to another GSL final. How many players make it to two GSL finals and win one of them? I freaking love Hero but I don't see him ever making 2 finals. Creator and Rain could POSSIBLY do it but there's no guarantee of that ever happening either. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38149 Posts
On September 21 2012 00:00 FakeDeath wrote: Not Really. If protoss doesn't screw up(Watch By.Sun stomp Taeja and Polt using literally flawless defense and harassment and finally killing them),terran stand very little chance. Taeja and Polt are one of the best PvTers but they got stomped and outplayed by Sun. Sun is a bad argument for 2 reasons. The first reason is that there's the outside possibility that he's just flat out playing the best SC2 anyone ever has. The second reason is the more probable and that is that no one knows his style. This I think will be his true test in the coming weeks; how he handles having people analyse his play to date and prepare counter strategies to use against him. I mean do you really think Byun doesn't build planetaries around Whirlwind in the future only to lose to zealot harass? You think Taeja doesn't build turrets against Warp Prisms if they play again? You think whoever he plays in the future doesn't look at his games and prepare against his quirks etc etc? It's the same way some Koreans have struggled with foreigners at times before getting a better look at the way they play, or the same way a new build (parting triple nexus) can radically change play briefly before someone works out a counter (T going cloak and tanks for a while till P started to hesitate to do it like Gumiho did vs Puzzle). | ||
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UnholyRai
720 Posts
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
On September 21 2012 00:05 Wingblade wrote: How do you do damage though? Roaches counter any warpgate pushes if your build is at all crisp, queens counter air play and honestly if you let a warp prism warp in sentries and FF your ramp you deserve to lose anyways. This shows you have absolutely no idea how Z works. Over producing units is enough damage done to Zerg. | ||
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