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On August 17 2012 23:29 Finrod1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 23:18 tree.hugger wrote:
How have Tastosis never seen VortiX play? He's not a nobody at all, he's been around for months at the top top top of the EU scene. And even assuming they've just missed him, how come they didn't do research on him before the tournament? too true. i feel there are so so few casters who actually inform themselves about the players in a tournament or just watch other games that they dont cast.
I was expecting Artosis to know about Vortix. Tasteless on the other hand you get mostly surprised when he knows about anything he didnt cast, he doesnt even follow Code A games as far as we've seen.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On August 17 2012 23:29 Finrod1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 23:18 tree.hugger wrote:
How have Tastosis never seen VortiX play? He's not a nobody at all, he's been around for months at the top top top of the EU scene. And even assuming they've just missed him, how come they didn't do research on him before the tournament? too true. i feel there are so so few casters who actually inform themselves about the players in a tournament or just watch other games that they dont cast.
VortiX: EU GM Rank 6: 178-90 (66.42%)
HasuObs: EU GM Rank 51: 119-111 (51.74%)
And HasuObs is the one that gets talked about; the most we have for VortiX is that he's the 'brother of LucifroN'. I think given their recent results, we should be saying that LucifroN is the 'other brother'.
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On August 17 2012 23:31 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 23:29 Finrod1 wrote:On August 17 2012 23:18 tree.hugger wrote:
How have Tastosis never seen VortiX play? He's not a nobody at all, he's been around for months at the top top top of the EU scene. And even assuming they've just missed him, how come they didn't do research on him before the tournament? too true. i feel there are so so few casters who actually inform themselves about the players in a tournament or just watch other games that they dont cast. I was expecting Artosis to know about Vortix. Tasteless on the other hand you get mostly surprised when he knows about anything he didnt cast, he doesnt even follow Code A games as far as we've seen.
They aren't even following WCS Korea atm, they've admitted before on shows like SOTG they dont watch events they dont cast unless it gets to the very later rounds.
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On August 17 2012 23:30 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 23:29 Finrod1 wrote:On August 17 2012 23:18 tree.hugger wrote:
How have Tastosis never seen VortiX play? He's not a nobody at all, he's been around for months at the top top top of the EU scene. And even assuming they've just missed him, how come they didn't do research on him before the tournament? too true. i feel there are so so few casters who actually inform themselves about the players in a tournament or just watch other games that they dont cast. It's easy to just say that casters should inform themselves and watch other players' games, but can you just sit there and say that they have the time for that? Several players and commentators alike have talked about how little time you actually have during these weekends (or just in general).
Poor excuse tbh. Someone like Apollo knows everything about what's going on in all scenes, it only helps your commentary if you know who you are actually talking about, everyone should at least do a bit of studying!
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On August 17 2012 23:30 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 23:29 Finrod1 wrote:On August 17 2012 23:18 tree.hugger wrote:
How have Tastosis never seen VortiX play? He's not a nobody at all, he's been around for months at the top top top of the EU scene. And even assuming they've just missed him, how come they didn't do research on him before the tournament? too true. i feel there are so so few casters who actually inform themselves about the players in a tournament or just watch other games that they dont cast. It's easy to just say that casters should inform themselves and watch other players' games, but can you just sit there and say that they have the time for that? Several players and commentators alike have talked about how little time you actually have during these weekends (or just in general).
True, their weekend is busy, sometimes 12+ hour casting. But most casters have 'plenty' of time before the tournament to do research. Like they mentioned artosis not knowing about vortix, yet vortix is in TSL. So yes, i can say they have the time for that. Most of them do tournies on a 3 day weekend, they should be spending the 4 days before the tourney preparing for anything that needs prepared.
But this is a non-issue. Its Tastosis. They are great, but really, knowing info about non korean players have never been the strong point of the casting archon.
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On August 17 2012 23:33 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 23:30 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 17 2012 23:29 Finrod1 wrote:On August 17 2012 23:18 tree.hugger wrote:
How have Tastosis never seen VortiX play? He's not a nobody at all, he's been around for months at the top top top of the EU scene. And even assuming they've just missed him, how come they didn't do research on him before the tournament? too true. i feel there are so so few casters who actually inform themselves about the players in a tournament or just watch other games that they dont cast. It's easy to just say that casters should inform themselves and watch other players' games, but can you just sit there and say that they have the time for that? Several players and commentators alike have talked about how little time you actually have during these weekends (or just in general). True, their weekend is busy, sometimes 12+ hour casting. But most casters have 'plenty' of time before the tournament to do research. Like they mentioned artosis not knowing about vortix, yet vortix is in TSL. So yes, i can say they have the time for that. Most of them do tournies on a 3 day weekend, they should be spending the 4 days before the tourney preparing for anything that needs prepared. But this is a non-issue. Its Tastosis. They are great, but really, knowing info about non korean players have never been the strong point of the casting archon.
I think we're being a bit unfair, I mean I know it's their job etc etc but doesn't Artosis still aim to play regularly to keep up with the current metagame, plus have a daughter recently arrived?
They're employed to generally cast the GSL, and Artosis at least knows his shit when it comes to that. On their foreign excursions they do tend to know most of the players, Vortix they probably should know about but he really hasn't gotten the exposure his play deserves, site wide.
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Nice move by VortiX moving in when Hasu pokes out.
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On August 17 2012 23:33 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 23:30 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 17 2012 23:29 Finrod1 wrote:On August 17 2012 23:18 tree.hugger wrote:
How have Tastosis never seen VortiX play? He's not a nobody at all, he's been around for months at the top top top of the EU scene. And even assuming they've just missed him, how come they didn't do research on him before the tournament? too true. i feel there are so so few casters who actually inform themselves about the players in a tournament or just watch other games that they dont cast. It's easy to just say that casters should inform themselves and watch other players' games, but can you just sit there and say that they have the time for that? Several players and commentators alike have talked about how little time you actually have during these weekends (or just in general). True, their weekend is busy, sometimes 12+ hour casting. But most casters have 'plenty' of time before the tournament to do research. Like they mentioned artosis not knowing about vortix, yet vortix is in TSL. So yes, i can say they have the time for that. Most of them do tournies on a 3 day weekend, they should be spending the 4 days before the tourney preparing for anything that needs prepared. But this is a non-issue. Its Tastosis. They are great, but really, knowing info about non korean players have never been the strong point of the casting archon.
That's becoming very debatable as this event goes on..
They didn't even know anything about SortOf. I mean, that is unacceptable.
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Not looking good for Hasu.
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On August 17 2012 23:32 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 23:29 Finrod1 wrote:On August 17 2012 23:18 tree.hugger wrote:
How have Tastosis never seen VortiX play? He's not a nobody at all, he's been around for months at the top top top of the EU scene. And even assuming they've just missed him, how come they didn't do research on him before the tournament? too true. i feel there are so so few casters who actually inform themselves about the players in a tournament or just watch other games that they dont cast. VortiX: EU GM Rank 6: 178-90 (66.42%) HasuObs: EU GM Rank 51: 119-111 (51.74%) And HasuObs is the one that gets talked about; the most we have for VortiX is that he's the 'brother of LucifroN'. I think given their recent results, we should be saying that LucifroN is the 'other brother'.
Vortix is probably the better player right now, but the thing is that LucifroN is such a famous RTS player that he'll have to do a lot to ever not just be LucifroN's brother, its the curse of having an extremely successful sibling.
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On August 17 2012 23:35 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 23:33 ohampatu wrote:On August 17 2012 23:30 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 17 2012 23:29 Finrod1 wrote:On August 17 2012 23:18 tree.hugger wrote:
How have Tastosis never seen VortiX play? He's not a nobody at all, he's been around for months at the top top top of the EU scene. And even assuming they've just missed him, how come they didn't do research on him before the tournament? too true. i feel there are so so few casters who actually inform themselves about the players in a tournament or just watch other games that they dont cast. It's easy to just say that casters should inform themselves and watch other players' games, but can you just sit there and say that they have the time for that? Several players and commentators alike have talked about how little time you actually have during these weekends (or just in general). True, their weekend is busy, sometimes 12+ hour casting. But most casters have 'plenty' of time before the tournament to do research. Like they mentioned artosis not knowing about vortix, yet vortix is in TSL. So yes, i can say they have the time for that. Most of them do tournies on a 3 day weekend, they should be spending the 4 days before the tourney preparing for anything that needs prepared. But this is a non-issue. Its Tastosis. They are great, but really, knowing info about non korean players have never been the strong point of the casting archon. I think we're being a bit unfair, I mean I know it's their job etc etc but doesn't Artosis still aim to play regularly to keep up with the current metagame, plus have a daughter recently arrived? They're employed to generally cast the GSL, and Artosis at least knows his shit when it comes to that. On their foreign excursions they do tend to know most of the players, Vortix they probably should know about but he really hasn't gotten the exposure his play deserves, site wide.
I myself could actually care less about the archon and its 'player knowledge'. Like you mentioned above, i actually just prefer that they know the metagame/strategies and can accurately cast without giving out bad information.
I was just chipping in to the fact that somebody tried to use 'not enough time' as an excuse. Casters have more time than any esports figures.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On August 17 2012 23:35 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 23:33 ohampatu wrote:On August 17 2012 23:30 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 17 2012 23:29 Finrod1 wrote:On August 17 2012 23:18 tree.hugger wrote:
How have Tastosis never seen VortiX play? He's not a nobody at all, he's been around for months at the top top top of the EU scene. And even assuming they've just missed him, how come they didn't do research on him before the tournament? too true. i feel there are so so few casters who actually inform themselves about the players in a tournament or just watch other games that they dont cast. It's easy to just say that casters should inform themselves and watch other players' games, but can you just sit there and say that they have the time for that? Several players and commentators alike have talked about how little time you actually have during these weekends (or just in general). True, their weekend is busy, sometimes 12+ hour casting. But most casters have 'plenty' of time before the tournament to do research. Like they mentioned artosis not knowing about vortix, yet vortix is in TSL. So yes, i can say they have the time for that. Most of them do tournies on a 3 day weekend, they should be spending the 4 days before the tourney preparing for anything that needs prepared. But this is a non-issue. Its Tastosis. They are great, but really, knowing info about non korean players have never been the strong point of the casting archon. I think we're being a bit unfair, I mean I know it's their job etc etc but doesn't Artosis still aim to play regularly to keep up with the current metagame, plus have a daughter recently arrived? They're employed to generally cast the GSL, and Artosis at least knows his shit when it comes to that. On their foreign excursions they do tend to know most of the players, Vortix they probably should know about but he really hasn't gotten the exposure his play deserves, site wide. I understand that there are lots of considerations and reasons that Tastosis wouldn't be able to cast this. But VortiX has been at the top of the EU ladder, qualified for TSL and nearly beat Keen in the Ro16. He's one of the bes zergs in Europe, maybe behind just Stephano and Nerchio, and up there with Ret and SortOf.
I can understand not knowing much about PiG. But not knowing VortiX is like casting GSL and saying "Who's this SymboL kid?"
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On August 17 2012 23:37 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 23:33 ohampatu wrote:On August 17 2012 23:30 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 17 2012 23:29 Finrod1 wrote:On August 17 2012 23:18 tree.hugger wrote:
How have Tastosis never seen VortiX play? He's not a nobody at all, he's been around for months at the top top top of the EU scene. And even assuming they've just missed him, how come they didn't do research on him before the tournament? too true. i feel there are so so few casters who actually inform themselves about the players in a tournament or just watch other games that they dont cast. It's easy to just say that casters should inform themselves and watch other players' games, but can you just sit there and say that they have the time for that? Several players and commentators alike have talked about how little time you actually have during these weekends (or just in general). True, their weekend is busy, sometimes 12+ hour casting. But most casters have 'plenty' of time before the tournament to do research. Like they mentioned artosis not knowing about vortix, yet vortix is in TSL. So yes, i can say they have the time for that. Most of them do tournies on a 3 day weekend, they should be spending the 4 days before the tourney preparing for anything that needs prepared. But this is a non-issue. Its Tastosis. They are great, but really, knowing info about non korean players have never been the strong point of the casting archon. That's becoming very debatable as this event goes on.. They didn't even know anything about SortOf. I mean, that is unacceptable.
I don't know anything about either of them tbh
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On August 17 2012 23:35 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 23:33 ohampatu wrote:On August 17 2012 23:30 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 17 2012 23:29 Finrod1 wrote:On August 17 2012 23:18 tree.hugger wrote:
How have Tastosis never seen VortiX play? He's not a nobody at all, he's been around for months at the top top top of the EU scene. And even assuming they've just missed him, how come they didn't do research on him before the tournament? too true. i feel there are so so few casters who actually inform themselves about the players in a tournament or just watch other games that they dont cast. It's easy to just say that casters should inform themselves and watch other players' games, but can you just sit there and say that they have the time for that? Several players and commentators alike have talked about how little time you actually have during these weekends (or just in general). True, their weekend is busy, sometimes 12+ hour casting. But most casters have 'plenty' of time before the tournament to do research. Like they mentioned artosis not knowing about vortix, yet vortix is in TSL. So yes, i can say they have the time for that. Most of them do tournies on a 3 day weekend, they should be spending the 4 days before the tourney preparing for anything that needs prepared. But this is a non-issue. Its Tastosis. They are great, but really, knowing info about non korean players have never been the strong point of the casting archon. I think we're being a bit unfair, I mean I know it's their job etc etc but doesn't Artosis still aim to play regularly to keep up with the current metagame, plus have a daughter recently arrived? They're employed to generally cast the GSL, and Artosis at least knows his shit when it comes to that. On their foreign excursions they do tend to know most of the players, Vortix they probably should know about but he really hasn't gotten the exposure his play deserves, site wide.
Lets be honest - theyre only casting code s
every code s season has like 16 days of broadcasting (i think so)
3 seasons in 2012 = 48 days of code s
and its august..
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I don't get how players think this is a good idea? attacking a defensive position simcity vs blink stalkers which you basically forced because you went mutas?
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On August 17 2012 23:39 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 23:37 Dexington wrote:On August 17 2012 23:33 ohampatu wrote:On August 17 2012 23:30 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 17 2012 23:29 Finrod1 wrote:On August 17 2012 23:18 tree.hugger wrote:
How have Tastosis never seen VortiX play? He's not a nobody at all, he's been around for months at the top top top of the EU scene. And even assuming they've just missed him, how come they didn't do research on him before the tournament? too true. i feel there are so so few casters who actually inform themselves about the players in a tournament or just watch other games that they dont cast. It's easy to just say that casters should inform themselves and watch other players' games, but can you just sit there and say that they have the time for that? Several players and commentators alike have talked about how little time you actually have during these weekends (or just in general). True, their weekend is busy, sometimes 12+ hour casting. But most casters have 'plenty' of time before the tournament to do research. Like they mentioned artosis not knowing about vortix, yet vortix is in TSL. So yes, i can say they have the time for that. Most of them do tournies on a 3 day weekend, they should be spending the 4 days before the tourney preparing for anything that needs prepared. But this is a non-issue. Its Tastosis. They are great, but really, knowing info about non korean players have never been the strong point of the casting archon. That's becoming very debatable as this event goes on.. They didn't even know anything about SortOf. I mean, that is unacceptable. I don't know anything about either of them tbh
That's not your job though
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On August 17 2012 23:40 GreyKnight wrote:
I don't get how players think this is a good idea? attacking a defensive position simcity vs blink stalkers which you basically forced because you went mutas?
Yeah, seemed quite random.
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It's nothing new that people have zero clue and are so ignorant about the EU scene, don't know why this is so surprising now.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On August 17 2012 23:40 GreyKnight wrote:
I don't get how players think this is a good idea? attacking a defensive position simcity vs blink stalkers which you basically forced because you went mutas?
At worst, you trade, at best, you win.
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So many stalkers against lings? Maybe a couple zlots will help?
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