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On August 17 2012 20:41 klops wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 20:39 Killmouse wrote:On August 17 2012 20:36 Squeegy wrote:On August 17 2012 20:36 Killmouse wrote:On August 17 2012 20:34 setzer wrote:On August 17 2012 20:31 KiNGxXx wrote:
GOM > KeSPA waiting all week for that one huh look at the WB plz.. Well, most of the WB GSL players stayed there by beating other GSL players. are you kidding ? there were no Kespa player left after round 1 ,thats why gsl players are playin each other, logic dude how does he think the kespa players ended up in losers? they weren't seeded there, lol.
Reality and roro won their first round and roro is still in winners bracket
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Sigh live report thread so disappointing...always some damned debate about why either group of players is doing well/poorly instead of actual game talk :/ I'm out
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On August 17 2012 20:44 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 20:43 Shock710 wrote:On August 17 2012 20:42 zerious wrote:
the GOM stream viewer count just lost half of its viewers lol, well IEM is probaby more interesting atm It is 4:44 am on west coast NA. I would bet that a lot stayed up just to watch Hero like myself.
Yes. And now I should definitely go to sleep. GOOD NIGHT 
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On August 17 2012 20:44 YyapSsap wrote:ABANDON THREAD! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RKieq.gif)
Thanks for making me spit coffee all over my new shirt. I totally LOL'ed.
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On August 17 2012 20:51 8mmspikes wrote:
Sigh live report thread so disappointing...always some damned debate about why either group of players is doing well/poorly instead of actual game talk :/ I'm out
yeah me too lately zzz haha
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I dont watch SC2 a lot, but its kind of "interesting" to me that it looks like late game PvZ is harder to engage than late game BW TvT
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On August 17 2012 20:50 Darkthorn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 20:47 Ragnarork wrote:On August 17 2012 20:36 revoN wrote:On August 17 2012 20:34 Ragnarork wrote:On August 17 2012 20:33 ceaRshaf wrote:On August 17 2012 20:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 17 2012 20:31 MCXD wrote:On August 17 2012 20:31 Elroi wrote:so emberassing to lose to a gsl player  This made me laugh. Well, it is the biggest upset of the month. I think we can all agree soulkey was the clear favorite coming into this. Clear favorite? What? Just don't fall into such obvious trolls... Considering that the Kespa was on a winning streak and tore through some of the best GSL had to offer... Though I enjoy the games whoever play, and I especially like to see how BW pro figure out SC2 (with a different look at the game considering their BW experience), I can't help but thinking this tournament isn't showing the reality. (Oh and by the way, this is the loser bracket...) The pressure from facing BW pro isn't something that should be underestimated. By the way, I mean, most BW pros playing in WCS has more pro gaming experience than SC2 players only, they have like 4 - 5 years at least (I don't know the scene that much, but the current BW pros are around for some time now, like 2007 - 2008 for those I know). Though it's not SC2 experience, they have practiced mechanics for a much longer time, and can be good not only at BW, but more generally at RTS. Then, even Jaedong stated that he doesn't feel like GOM players are at their highest level, when he played Genius. I think we'll need more time, like let the players know each other side (Kespa or GOM) a bit more, and then see who stay, and who falls. This was the very first cross tournament (the Gom Action ready was quite a farce) between the two groups, I wouldn't be surprised this doesn't show the reality of this transition. Then, Kespa players seem to have reached a skill not that far from GOM players really quickly, and that's promising. I hope it doesn't surpass by far the skill of GOM's when they reach their peak, because as they stated, it's quite stupid if one group is completely ahead of the other, which ever it is, because you end up with far less competitors, and then far less competition... Then, I just want to see the best one(s) win, and get the deserved recognition. This was the most neutral comment I've seen so far with kespa and gom involved... Also, I didn't see the games but wasn't rain the guy that got stomped by Curios and now he 2-0'd leenock...did he play that better than then or did leenock play bad?
Leenock had an ultralisk strategy that killed nothing basically and in game 2 tried roach drops and then did SOME damage and then decided to never transition out and just keep trying roach drops/run byes.... so Leenock played badly in game 2 and I'd say strategy choice in game 1 was quite poor.
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On August 17 2012 20:44 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 20:41 klops wrote:On August 17 2012 20:39 Killmouse wrote:On August 17 2012 20:36 Squeegy wrote:On August 17 2012 20:36 Killmouse wrote:On August 17 2012 20:34 setzer wrote:On August 17 2012 20:31 KiNGxXx wrote:
GOM > KeSPA waiting all week for that one huh look at the WB plz.. Well, most of the WB GSL players stayed there by beating other GSL players. are you kidding ? there were no Kespa player left after round 1 ,thats why gsl players are playin each other, logic dude how does he think the kespa players ended up in losers? they weren't seeded there, lol. No, I am pointing it out that even though GSL players are in the WB, they didn't stay there by beating a Kespa player, but A GSL player (who beat a Kespa player). That is meant to show that it wasn't like these WB GSL players stayed there by dominating Kespa. The guys who originally beat Kespa mostly lost this week. All I'm saying is that "look at WB, lolo" does not make the point they wish it to make.
Curious > By.Sun
Hero > Effort
Alive > Jaedong
Gumiho > Soulkey
Puzzle > Hero
Puzzle > Reality
For your attitude of "Hey, I just want to sardonically and/or condescendingly point out perceived logical fallacies I find with other people's posts", you sure make some convenient oversights of your own. Oh, and the only guy who lost this week that originally beat Kespa was Gumiho, so your use of the word "mostly" is rather perplexing.
Also, I hope you realize that even people rooting for Kespa players are becoming fed up with your condescending flame-baiting throughout these threads. Just sayin'. You can make all the excuses you want about how what you're doing isn't motivated virtually solely by a desire to piss people off, and maybe that's actually not your intent, but you're just really bad at just coming off as a pleasant, remotely likeable person if that's the case.
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actually, the banter in the OSL Ro16 group selection will be very interesting
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"Sayonnara, Banshee." would make a good song.
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On August 17 2012 20:50 Jacmert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 20:44 Squeegy wrote:On August 17 2012 20:41 klops wrote:On August 17 2012 20:39 Killmouse wrote:On August 17 2012 20:36 Squeegy wrote:On August 17 2012 20:36 Killmouse wrote:On August 17 2012 20:34 setzer wrote:On August 17 2012 20:31 KiNGxXx wrote:
GOM > KeSPA waiting all week for that one huh look at the WB plz.. Well, most of the WB GSL players stayed there by beating other GSL players. are you kidding ? there were no Kespa player left after round 1 ,thats why gsl players are playin each other, logic dude how does he think the kespa players ended up in losers? they weren't seeded there, lol. No, I am pointing it out that even though GSL players are in the WB, they didn't stay there by beating a Kespa player, but A GSL player (who beat a Kespa player). That is meant to show that it wasn't like these WB GSL players stayed there by dominating Kespa. The guys who originally beat Kespa mostly lost this week. All I'm saying is that "look at WB, lolo" does not make the point they wish it to make. You do realize, though, that by that logic you can always question the legitimacy of any winner or champion because unless they beat every single other player who participated in the tournament, you can be like, "well, you didn't beat my favorite player so-and-so who got knocked out in the Round of 16, so therefore I won't give you credit for doing better than him." Every tournament champion wins by beating only a small percentage of the players at that tournament. We make the winners of each round play each other in the hopes that it means the better players will continue to advance until we find the "best" player. It's more complicated than that and it's not the perfect way to find the "best" player (it depends on how you define that, I guess), but that's the general idea that every sport follows and it's the best system we've got I think.
You're reading too much into what I said. All I am saying is that the WB GSL guys have (mostly) not played against the Kespa guys. That's all.
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Depending on who gets into code a from kespa/code s depending on seeds, I think we can expect some fantastic lr threads
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On August 17 2012 20:51 8mmspikes wrote:
Sigh live report thread so disappointing...always some damned debate about why either group of players is doing well/poorly instead of actual game talk :/ I'm out
It has actually completely turned me off TL. I have been coming here less and less and actually looking over at reddit starcraft during games because it has higher quality "discussion" and talk about the game to a certain extent.
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Expecting alive to stomp dreamer.
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2 new ccs from alive, expanding with one of them leaving alive one base ahead of dreamer.
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On August 17 2012 20:54 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 20:50 Jacmert wrote:On August 17 2012 20:44 Squeegy wrote:On August 17 2012 20:41 klops wrote:On August 17 2012 20:39 Killmouse wrote:On August 17 2012 20:36 Squeegy wrote:On August 17 2012 20:36 Killmouse wrote:On August 17 2012 20:34 setzer wrote:On August 17 2012 20:31 KiNGxXx wrote:
GOM > KeSPA waiting all week for that one huh look at the WB plz.. Well, most of the WB GSL players stayed there by beating other GSL players. are you kidding ? there were no Kespa player left after round 1 ,thats why gsl players are playin each other, logic dude how does he think the kespa players ended up in losers? they weren't seeded there, lol. No, I am pointing it out that even though GSL players are in the WB, they didn't stay there by beating a Kespa player, but A GSL player (who beat a Kespa player). That is meant to show that it wasn't like these WB GSL players stayed there by dominating Kespa. The guys who originally beat Kespa mostly lost this week. All I'm saying is that "look at WB, lolo" does not make the point they wish it to make. You do realize, though, that by that logic you can always question the legitimacy of any winner or champion because unless they beat every single other player who participated in the tournament, you can be like, "well, you didn't beat my favorite player so-and-so who got knocked out in the Round of 16, so therefore I won't give you credit for doing better than him." Every tournament champion wins by beating only a small percentage of the players at that tournament. We make the winners of each round play each other in the hopes that it means the better players will continue to advance until we find the "best" player. It's more complicated than that and it's not the perfect way to find the "best" player (it depends on how you define that, I guess), but that's the general idea that every sport follows and it's the best system we've got I think. You're reading too much into what I said. All I am saying is that the WB GSL guys have (mostly) not played against the Kespa guys. That's all.
Ok... so the people who beat the Kespa players were beaten by someone else and you are using THAT as an argument that you are right? So to put it in far too simple of terms what you are saying is this.... player 1>player 2 and gets beaten by player 3 so logically player 2 is better than 3. GJ.
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On August 17 2012 20:53 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 20:44 Squeegy wrote:On August 17 2012 20:41 klops wrote:On August 17 2012 20:39 Killmouse wrote:On August 17 2012 20:36 Squeegy wrote:On August 17 2012 20:36 Killmouse wrote:On August 17 2012 20:34 setzer wrote:On August 17 2012 20:31 KiNGxXx wrote:
GOM > KeSPA waiting all week for that one huh look at the WB plz.. Well, most of the WB GSL players stayed there by beating other GSL players. are you kidding ? there were no Kespa player left after round 1 ,thats why gsl players are playin each other, logic dude how does he think the kespa players ended up in losers? they weren't seeded there, lol. No, I am pointing it out that even though GSL players are in the WB, they didn't stay there by beating a Kespa player, but A GSL player (who beat a Kespa player). That is meant to show that it wasn't like these WB GSL players stayed there by dominating Kespa. The guys who originally beat Kespa mostly lost this week. All I'm saying is that "look at WB, lolo" does not make the point they wish it to make. Curious > By.Sun Hero > Effort Alive > Jaedong Gumiho > Soulkey Puzzle > Hero Puzzle > Reality For your attitude of "Hey, I just want to sardonically and/or condescendingly point out perceived logical fallacies I find with other people's posts", you sure make some convenient oversights of your own. Oh, and the only guy who lost this week that originally beat Kespa was Gumiho.
I am talking about the people still in the WB. Perhaps I do, but I admit then when I do, that's the difference. So only Gumiho beat a Kespa originally, instead of most who were beat this week, I was wrong. There, no big deal.
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Haha Khaldor's gone so much out of his shell since January in terms of humour, he's making a great pair with Wolf. (I haven't watched GSL since January)
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Looks like Hero was practising with Jaedong and DRG.
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On August 17 2012 20:57 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 20:54 Squeegy wrote:On August 17 2012 20:50 Jacmert wrote:On August 17 2012 20:44 Squeegy wrote:On August 17 2012 20:41 klops wrote:On August 17 2012 20:39 Killmouse wrote:On August 17 2012 20:36 Squeegy wrote:On August 17 2012 20:36 Killmouse wrote:On August 17 2012 20:34 setzer wrote:On August 17 2012 20:31 KiNGxXx wrote:
GOM > KeSPA waiting all week for that one huh look at the WB plz.. Well, most of the WB GSL players stayed there by beating other GSL players. are you kidding ? there were no Kespa player left after round 1 ,thats why gsl players are playin each other, logic dude how does he think the kespa players ended up in losers? they weren't seeded there, lol. No, I am pointing it out that even though GSL players are in the WB, they didn't stay there by beating a Kespa player, but A GSL player (who beat a Kespa player). That is meant to show that it wasn't like these WB GSL players stayed there by dominating Kespa. The guys who originally beat Kespa mostly lost this week. All I'm saying is that "look at WB, lolo" does not make the point they wish it to make. You do realize, though, that by that logic you can always question the legitimacy of any winner or champion because unless they beat every single other player who participated in the tournament, you can be like, "well, you didn't beat my favorite player so-and-so who got knocked out in the Round of 16, so therefore I won't give you credit for doing better than him." Every tournament champion wins by beating only a small percentage of the players at that tournament. We make the winners of each round play each other in the hopes that it means the better players will continue to advance until we find the "best" player. It's more complicated than that and it's not the perfect way to find the "best" player (it depends on how you define that, I guess), but that's the general idea that every sport follows and it's the best system we've got I think. You're reading too much into what I said. All I am saying is that the WB GSL guys have (mostly) not played against the Kespa guys. That's all. Ok... so the people who beat the Kespa players were beaten by someone else and you are using THAT as an argument that you are right? So to put it in far too simple of terms what you are saying is this.... player 1>player 2 and gets beaten by player 3 so logically player 2 is better than 3. GJ.
It is absolutely beyond me how can anyone be this stupid. I suggest you read what I said again. A few million times. But in all honesty, I don't think you'll get it. That is, that I really said only what I wrote there. Not the additional stuff you somehow magically inferred from it.
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