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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
August 17 2012 11:43 GMT
#1281
On August 17 2012 20:42 zerious wrote:
the GOM stream viewer count just lost half of its viewers

lol, well IEM is probaby more interesting atm
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
August 17 2012 11:43 GMT
#1282
On August 17 2012 20:42 Dakure wrote:
You guys do know his gum was the herbal medicine that calms him, right? It's calming effects are similar to marijuana--a very illegal drug.

Good fricking god. You know women everywhere take a pill called Tylenol to dull pain right? It's pain supressing effects are very similar to many banned substances.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 17 2012 11:44 GMT
#1283
On August 17 2012 20:42 Shock710 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 20:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:39 Jacmert wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:32 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
lol finally
and the worst is that HerO didn't even look better than SK in these games

Hero DID look better than SoulKey in these games. But just like the games were so close, Hero only looked just slightly better than SoulKey today.

I think it's for two reasons. 1) SoulKey played VERY well. He's definitely a top tier contender - at least Code A level (and Code A people take games off Code S players all the time), or perhaps even good enough to make Code S (time will tell?). 2) I'm sure Hero's nerves must have been going CRAZY. With all that pressure, and Leenock losing right before him, and then losing game 1 - knowing that Hero is already an emotional player who still has nerves issues despite his lengthy tournament experience, I was afraid that all Kespa vs. GSL pressure would totally mess up his play.

I'm sure hero will go back and watch some replays of rain to learn after this so you shouldn't worry too much.

but isnt Yugioh king of code A and people were just talking about how badly he played

it's more of an endearing title than anything really
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Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
August 17 2012 11:44 GMT
#1284
On August 17 2012 20:41 klops wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 20:39 Killmouse wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:36 Squeegy wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:36 Killmouse wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:34 setzer wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:31 KiNGxXx wrote:
GOM > KeSPA


waiting all week for that one huh

look at the WB plz..


Well, most of the WB GSL players stayed there by beating other GSL players.

are you kidding ? there were no Kespa player left after round 1 ,thats why gsl players are playin each other, logic dude


how does he think the kespa players ended up in losers?

they weren't seeded there, lol.


No, I am pointing it out that even though GSL players are in the WB, they didn't stay there by beating a Kespa player, but A GSL player (who beat a Kespa player). That is meant to show that it wasn't like these WB GSL players stayed there by dominating Kespa. The guys who originally beat Kespa mostly lost this week. All I'm saying is that "look at WB, lolo" does not make the point they wish it to make.
Stan: Dude, dolphins are intelligent and friendly. Cartman: Intelligent and friendly on rye bread with some mayonnaise.
Simsallabin
Profile Joined June 2012
Nepal216 Posts
August 17 2012 11:44 GMT
#1285
On August 17 2012 20:33 Dakure wrote:
Really sad how hero had to rely on his performance enhancing drugs to take down Soulkey. It should really be disallowed :\


Would guess it was nicotine gum since HerO is a smoker.
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labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
August 17 2012 11:44 GMT
#1286
On August 17 2012 20:43 DarkLordOlli wrote:
How I'd fix the matchup: let there be a limit for static defense for each race.
Fungal growth should NOT affect air. Maybe not even cloaked units. Fungal is just too strong imo.

These are just ideas though.

Translation: Nerf Zerg to the ground, they shouldn't be winning games.
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
August 17 2012 11:44 GMT
#1287
ABANDON THREAD!

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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 17 2012 11:44 GMT
#1288
On August 17 2012 20:42 Dakure wrote:
You guys do know his gum was the herbal medicine that calms him, right? It's calming effects are similar to marijuana--a very illegal drug.

uh, quit trolling lol
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mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
August 17 2012 11:44 GMT
#1289
On August 17 2012 20:43 Shock710 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 20:42 zerious wrote:
the GOM stream viewer count just lost half of its viewers

lol, well IEM is probaby more interesting atm

It is 4:44 am on west coast NA. I would bet that a lot stayed up just to watch Hero like myself.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 17 2012 11:45 GMT
#1290
On August 17 2012 20:42 Dakure wrote:
You guys do know his gum was the herbal medicine that calms him, right? It's calming effects are similar to marijuana--a very illegal drug.

You mean there are other drugs that act as a depressant and are legal? Wow!
nihoh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 11:50:22
August 17 2012 11:47 GMT
#1291
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24420 Posts
August 17 2012 11:47 GMT
#1292
On August 17 2012 20:44 labbe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 20:43 DarkLordOlli wrote:
How I'd fix the matchup: let there be a limit for static defense for each race.
Fungal growth should NOT affect air. Maybe not even cloaked units. Fungal is just too strong imo.

These are just ideas though.

Translation: Nerf Zerg to the ground, they shouldn't be winning games.


Nono, translation: zerg lategame is too strong and outplaying your opponent all game matters not because unless zerg fucks up, infestor BL cannot be engaged.

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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 11:48:10
August 17 2012 11:47 GMT
#1293
On August 17 2012 20:36 revoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 20:34 Ragnarork wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:33 ceaRshaf wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:31 MCXD wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:31 Elroi wrote:
so emberassing to lose to a gsl player


This made me laugh.

Well, it is the biggest upset of the month. I think we can all agree soulkey was the clear favorite coming into this.


Clear favorite? What?


Just don't fall into such obvious trolls...


Considering that the Kespa was on a winning streak and tore through some of the best GSL had to offer...


Though I enjoy the games whoever play, and I especially like to see how BW pro figure out SC2 (with a different look at the game considering their BW experience), I can't help but thinking this tournament isn't showing the reality. (Oh and by the way, this is the loser bracket...)

The pressure from facing BW pro isn't something that should be underestimated. By the way, I mean, most BW pros playing in WCS has more pro gaming experience than SC2 players only, they have like 4 - 5 years at least (I don't know the scene that much, but the current BW pros are around for some time now, like 2007 - 2008 for those I know). Though it's not SC2 experience, they have practiced mechanics for a much longer time, and can be good not only at BW, but more generally at RTS.

Then, even Jaedong stated that he doesn't feel like GOM players are at their highest level, when he played Genius.

I think we'll need more time, like let the players know each other side (Kespa or GOM) a bit more, and then see who stay, and who falls. This was the very first cross tournament (the Gom Action ready was quite a farce) between the two groups, I wouldn't be surprised this doesn't show the reality of this transition.

Then, Kespa players seem to have reached a skill not that far from GOM players really quickly, and that's promising. I hope it doesn't surpass by far the skill of GOM's when they reach their peak, because as they stated, it's quite stupid if one group is completely ahead of the other, which ever it is, because you end up with far less competitors, and then far less competition...

Then, I just want to see the best one(s) win, and get the deserved recognition.

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Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
August 17 2012 11:47 GMT
#1294
On August 17 2012 20:42 Shock710 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 20:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:39 Jacmert wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:32 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
lol finally
and the worst is that HerO didn't even look better than SK in these games

Hero DID look better than SoulKey in these games. But just like the games were so close, Hero only looked just slightly better than SoulKey today.

I think it's for two reasons. 1) SoulKey played VERY well. He's definitely a top tier contender - at least Code A level (and Code A people take games off Code S players all the time), or perhaps even good enough to make Code S (time will tell?). 2) I'm sure Hero's nerves must have been going CRAZY. With all that pressure, and Leenock losing right before him, and then losing game 1 - knowing that Hero is already an emotional player who still has nerves issues despite his lengthy tournament experience, I was afraid that all Kespa vs. GSL pressure would totally mess up his play.

I'm sure hero will go back and watch some replays of rain to learn after this so you shouldn't worry too much.

but isnt Yugioh king of code A and people were just talking about how badly he played

he luck-bracket his way to the throne and counts on ppl choking
the good thing about this kind of players is that once hes gone, hes gone forever
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
August 17 2012 11:49 GMT
#1295
I was thinking that GOM pros would roll KeSPA pros out in the OSL but I no longer think so, especially after seeing what KeSPA pros can offer, despite practising for much less amount of time compared to GOM pros and practising SC2 along with BW. It's just too early to rule KeSPA pros out. With EffOrt beating DRG in a ZvZ, Sun 2-0'ing Leenock today, Soulkey coming this close to eliminating PvZ monster HerO today, we can get ourselves hyped up for the cross games in the OSL.
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paintfive
Profile Joined September 2011
785 Posts
August 17 2012 11:49 GMT
#1296
On August 17 2012 20:47 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 20:42 Shock710 wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:39 Jacmert wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:32 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
lol finally
and the worst is that HerO didn't even look better than SK in these games

Hero DID look better than SoulKey in these games. But just like the games were so close, Hero only looked just slightly better than SoulKey today.

I think it's for two reasons. 1) SoulKey played VERY well. He's definitely a top tier contender - at least Code A level (and Code A people take games off Code S players all the time), or perhaps even good enough to make Code S (time will tell?). 2) I'm sure Hero's nerves must have been going CRAZY. With all that pressure, and Leenock losing right before him, and then losing game 1 - knowing that Hero is already an emotional player who still has nerves issues despite his lengthy tournament experience, I was afraid that all Kespa vs. GSL pressure would totally mess up his play.

I'm sure hero will go back and watch some replays of rain to learn after this so you shouldn't worry too much.

but isnt Yugioh king of code A and people were just talking about how badly he played

he luck-bracket his way to the throne and counts on ppl choking
the good thing about this kind of players is that once hes gone, hes gone forever


Huk?
8mmspikes
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1704 Posts
August 17 2012 11:50 GMT
#1297
Interesting proxy factory starport play now by aLive, but well defended by dreamertt. aLive now expanding instead and containing with his hellions
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38256 Posts
August 17 2012 11:50 GMT
#1298
Good position for Dreamer after defending that proxy shenanigans from aLIve.

Still it looks like aLive can transition into a pretty normal game without dying.
Darkthorn
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania912 Posts
August 17 2012 11:50 GMT
#1299
On August 17 2012 20:47 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 20:36 revoN wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:34 Ragnarork wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:33 ceaRshaf wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:31 MCXD wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:31 Elroi wrote:
so emberassing to lose to a gsl player


This made me laugh.

Well, it is the biggest upset of the month. I think we can all agree soulkey was the clear favorite coming into this.


Clear favorite? What?


Just don't fall into such obvious trolls...


Considering that the Kespa was on a winning streak and tore through some of the best GSL had to offer...


Though I enjoy the games whoever play, and I especially like to see how BW pro figure out SC2 (with a different look at the game considering their BW experience), I can't help but thinking this tournament isn't showing the reality. (Oh and by the way, this is the loser bracket...)

The pressure from facing BW pro isn't something that should be underestimated. By the way, I mean, most BW pros playing in WCS has more pro gaming experience than SC2 players only, they have like 4 - 5 years at least (I don't know the scene that much, but the current BW pros are around for some time now, like 2007 - 2008 for those I know). Though it's not SC2 experience, they have practiced mechanics for a much longer time, and can be good not only at BW, but more generally at RTS.

Then, even Jaedong stated that he doesn't feel like GOM players are at their highest level, when he played Genius.

I think we'll need more time, like let the players know each other side (Kespa or GOM) a bit more, and then see who stay, and who falls. This was the very first cross tournament (the Gom Action ready was quite a farce) between the two groups, I wouldn't be surprised this doesn't show the reality of this transition.

Then, Kespa players seem to have reached a skill not that far from GOM players really quickly, and that's promising. I hope it doesn't surpass by far the skill of GOM's when they reach their peak, because as they stated, it's quite stupid if one group is completely ahead of the other, which ever it is, because you end up with far less competitors, and then far less competition...

Then, I just want to see the best one(s) win, and get the deserved recognition.


This was the most neutral comment I've seen so far with kespa and gom involved...
Also, I didn't see the games but wasn't rain the guy that got stomped by Curios and now he 2-0'd leenock...did he play that better than then or did leenock play bad?
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
August 17 2012 11:50 GMT
#1300
On August 17 2012 20:44 Squeegy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 20:41 klops wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:39 Killmouse wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:36 Squeegy wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:36 Killmouse wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:34 setzer wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:31 KiNGxXx wrote:
GOM > KeSPA


waiting all week for that one huh

look at the WB plz..


Well, most of the WB GSL players stayed there by beating other GSL players.

are you kidding ? there were no Kespa player left after round 1 ,thats why gsl players are playin each other, logic dude


how does he think the kespa players ended up in losers?

they weren't seeded there, lol.


No, I am pointing it out that even though GSL players are in the WB, they didn't stay there by beating a Kespa player, but A GSL player (who beat a Kespa player). That is meant to show that it wasn't like these WB GSL players stayed there by dominating Kespa. The guys who originally beat Kespa mostly lost this week. All I'm saying is that "look at WB, lolo" does not make the point they wish it to make.

You do realize, though, that by that logic you can always question the legitimacy of any winner or champion because unless they beat every single other player who participated in the tournament, you can be like, "well, you didn't beat my favorite player so-and-so who got knocked out in the Round of 16, so therefore I won't give you credit for doing better than him." Every tournament champion wins by beating only a small percentage of the players at that tournament.

We make the winners of each round play each other in the hopes that it means the better players will continue to advance until we find the "best" player. It's more complicated than that and it's not the perfect way to find the "best" player (it depends on how you define that, I guess), but that's the general idea that every sport follows and it's the best system we've got I think.
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