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On August 18 2012 05:25 Diizzy wrote:
a rivalry requires both sides to be competitive. so i hope federation players step it up a little bit.
That's funny considering this is the losers bracket. It seems as if a run of getting kills down here was preceded by a bunch of losses. Bad troll. Both sides are doing well and Kespa is doing better than expected which would be good for the scene if there wasnt so much crap talking and bad trolling like yourself here to ruin it.
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MURICA15980 Posts
On August 18 2012 05:32 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 05:16 wozzot wrote:
It's a shame to see another GSL player get painfully knocked out by another KeSPA pro. It really surprises me a lot to see them raining so hard on the Code S parade; I know that they have some ingenious decision-making skills, but I swear that some of these Brood War pros must be using micro hacks or something in order to defeat all these saviors of the existing SC2 scene so soundly.
I don't know whether to be happy or sad: this doesn't seem like reality, to be honest. I'm glad that the other GSL player made it through, though. If you want to stay alive and become the sole keeper of the WCS 2012 Korea title, you have to make a heroic effort.
I suppose that if you want to be a Starcraft 2 hero, joining a BW team does look like the best choice. If the GSL players want to keep competing, they can't flounder, make suicidal decisions and toss away their opportunities to win, or run with their tails between their legs. L.B.J. donged people hard, often, and without hesitation, and they need to do the same.
(I'm so sorry)
Gom pros are suffering from nerve issues due to the huge pressure of beating the BW pros. They have little to no info to study on players and have to sometimes(Not always) face strategies that they are just not used to. Kespa pros are getting good fast but they are not yet up to the level of the Gom pros so there isnt so much a need for the doom and gloom in your post. This reminds me of even low tier Koreans playing top foreigners who SHOULD beat them. They put the Korean on the pedestal and suffer for it.
If you read the Hero and Miya interviews, Hero says the Kespa pros are already at the same level. And Miya says that Puzzle is thinking of retiring because he's worried about the elephants after he narrowly beat Reality. I'd say comments like that show that Kepsa has now caught up.
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United States7116 Posts
On August 18 2012 05:39 Klogon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 05:32 mrtomjones wrote:On August 18 2012 05:16 wozzot wrote:
It's a shame to see another GSL player get painfully knocked out by another KeSPA pro. It really surprises me a lot to see them raining so hard on the Code S parade; I know that they have some ingenious decision-making skills, but I swear that some of these Brood War pros must be using micro hacks or something in order to defeat all these saviors of the existing SC2 scene so soundly.
I don't know whether to be happy or sad: this doesn't seem like reality, to be honest. I'm glad that the other GSL player made it through, though. If you want to stay alive and become the sole keeper of the WCS 2012 Korea title, you have to make a heroic effort.
I suppose that if you want to be a Starcraft 2 hero, joining a BW team does look like the best choice. If the GSL players want to keep competing, they can't flounder, make suicidal decisions and toss away their opportunities to win, or run with their tails between their legs. L.B.J. donged people hard, often, and without hesitation, and they need to do the same.
(I'm so sorry)
Gom pros are suffering from nerve issues due to the huge pressure of beating the BW pros. They have little to no info to study on players and have to sometimes(Not always) face strategies that they are just not used to. Kespa pros are getting good fast but they are not yet up to the level of the Gom pros so there isnt so much a need for the doom and gloom in your post. This reminds me of even low tier Koreans playing top foreigners who SHOULD beat them. They put the Korean on the pedestal and suffer for it. If you read the Hero and Miya interviews, Hero says the Kespa pros are already at the same level. And Miya says that Puzzle is thinking of retiring because he's worried about the elephants after he narrowly beat Reality. I'd say comments like that show that Kepsa has now caught up.
I'm actually inclined to agree that the Kespa players have already caught up. I've been really impressed with their level of play thus far. However, you can't deny that the Gom players are really feeling the pressure to perform. Sure, Kespa players are feeling their own form of pressure now that they've had an 11-win streak against GSL players (I saw you mention this earlier), but the difference is that the pressure they're feeling is more of a "Oh hey, we're actually winning a ton when people didn't really expect us too, we have to keep it up", while the pressure that the Gom players are feeling is coming from pretty much the entire SC2 community: Obviously, the spectators/fans expect the Gom players to win since they have a 2-year head start, so there's that, and then there's also the personal pressure of letting yourself down - I'd imagine anyone would feel pretty bad losing to someone in something that they have a 2-year head start on.
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On August 18 2012 05:39 Klogon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 05:32 mrtomjones wrote:On August 18 2012 05:16 wozzot wrote:
It's a shame to see another GSL player get painfully knocked out by another KeSPA pro. It really surprises me a lot to see them raining so hard on the Code S parade; I know that they have some ingenious decision-making skills, but I swear that some of these Brood War pros must be using micro hacks or something in order to defeat all these saviors of the existing SC2 scene so soundly.
I don't know whether to be happy or sad: this doesn't seem like reality, to be honest. I'm glad that the other GSL player made it through, though. If you want to stay alive and become the sole keeper of the WCS 2012 Korea title, you have to make a heroic effort.
I suppose that if you want to be a Starcraft 2 hero, joining a BW team does look like the best choice. If the GSL players want to keep competing, they can't flounder, make suicidal decisions and toss away their opportunities to win, or run with their tails between their legs. L.B.J. donged people hard, often, and without hesitation, and they need to do the same.
(I'm so sorry)
Gom pros are suffering from nerve issues due to the huge pressure of beating the BW pros. They have little to no info to study on players and have to sometimes(Not always) face strategies that they are just not used to. Kespa pros are getting good fast but they are not yet up to the level of the Gom pros so there isnt so much a need for the doom and gloom in your post. This reminds me of even low tier Koreans playing top foreigners who SHOULD beat them. They put the Korean on the pedestal and suffer for it. If you read the Hero and Miya interviews, Hero says the Kespa pros are already at the same level. And Miya says that Puzzle is thinking of retiring because he's worried about the elephants after he narrowly beat Reality. I'd say comments like that show that Kepsa has now caught up.
I have to believe that it doesn't even matter if they have caught up. The fact that they've made so much progress so quickly has got to be on the minds of every GOM player. I'm sure most of them realize that the Kespa players have a higher potential ceiling given their BW skills, but I'm guessing most were hoping that it wouldn't translate to SC2 as fast or as well as it actually has.
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caught up =/= surpass. Them catching up doesn't mean they will win every game they play by a large margin. Them catching up means they are now able to take games off players on any single given day, or at least put up an extremely close fight, which they have done. So yes they have caught up. Surpassed? not yet
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
most b teamers will remain b teamers, especially those who transitioned because they can't hack it in bw
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On August 18 2012 05:39 Klogon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 05:32 mrtomjones wrote:On August 18 2012 05:16 wozzot wrote:
It's a shame to see another GSL player get painfully knocked out by another KeSPA pro. It really surprises me a lot to see them raining so hard on the Code S parade; I know that they have some ingenious decision-making skills, but I swear that some of these Brood War pros must be using micro hacks or something in order to defeat all these saviors of the existing SC2 scene so soundly.
I don't know whether to be happy or sad: this doesn't seem like reality, to be honest. I'm glad that the other GSL player made it through, though. If you want to stay alive and become the sole keeper of the WCS 2012 Korea title, you have to make a heroic effort.
I suppose that if you want to be a Starcraft 2 hero, joining a BW team does look like the best choice. If the GSL players want to keep competing, they can't flounder, make suicidal decisions and toss away their opportunities to win, or run with their tails between their legs. L.B.J. donged people hard, often, and without hesitation, and they need to do the same.
(I'm so sorry)
Gom pros are suffering from nerve issues due to the huge pressure of beating the BW pros. They have little to no info to study on players and have to sometimes(Not always) face strategies that they are just not used to. Kespa pros are getting good fast but they are not yet up to the level of the Gom pros so there isnt so much a need for the doom and gloom in your post. This reminds me of even low tier Koreans playing top foreigners who SHOULD beat them. They put the Korean on the pedestal and suffer for it. If you read the Hero and Miya interviews, Hero says the Kespa pros are already at the same level. And Miya says that Puzzle is thinking of retiring because he's worried about the elephants after he narrowly beat Reality. I'd say comments like that show that Kepsa has now caught up.
I just read the Hero interview and he says nothing of the sort. He says that they caught up really quickly and that they the Federation pros are not unbeatable and that fans should realize that and put less pressure on them. Miya essentially said the same thing. Puzzle was thinking of retiring due to the huge burden. "That's how much of a burden and pressure GSL players feel."
I think that when Kespa players hit their peak there will be a lot of them who are top tier(Likely be some surprises from Kespa side in there) and a lot who struggle to be top or just end up quitting gaming. Same goes for the GSL side. The current weaker pros wont likely continue beyond the next year or so and the rest will spread out accordingly.
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is there a way to watch replays/VODs of these games??
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What I see from Kespa players is just another level of game mechanics. This usually gives them better battle engagement, winning most of micro wars, and able to sustain high level of play with less mistakes. These guys just don't make those stupid mistakes that GOM pros sometimes make, for example, losing infesters because you are 1-a'ing all your units, or racking up 3000+ gas as zerg (yugiho).
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On August 18 2012 06:08 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 05:39 Klogon wrote:On August 18 2012 05:32 mrtomjones wrote:On August 18 2012 05:16 wozzot wrote:
It's a shame to see another GSL player get painfully knocked out by another KeSPA pro. It really surprises me a lot to see them raining so hard on the Code S parade; I know that they have some ingenious decision-making skills, but I swear that some of these Brood War pros must be using micro hacks or something in order to defeat all these saviors of the existing SC2 scene so soundly.
I don't know whether to be happy or sad: this doesn't seem like reality, to be honest. I'm glad that the other GSL player made it through, though. If you want to stay alive and become the sole keeper of the WCS 2012 Korea title, you have to make a heroic effort.
I suppose that if you want to be a Starcraft 2 hero, joining a BW team does look like the best choice. If the GSL players want to keep competing, they can't flounder, make suicidal decisions and toss away their opportunities to win, or run with their tails between their legs. L.B.J. donged people hard, often, and without hesitation, and they need to do the same.
(I'm so sorry)
Gom pros are suffering from nerve issues due to the huge pressure of beating the BW pros. They have little to no info to study on players and have to sometimes(Not always) face strategies that they are just not used to. Kespa pros are getting good fast but they are not yet up to the level of the Gom pros so there isnt so much a need for the doom and gloom in your post. This reminds me of even low tier Koreans playing top foreigners who SHOULD beat them. They put the Korean on the pedestal and suffer for it. If you read the Hero and Miya interviews, Hero says the Kespa pros are already at the same level. And Miya says that Puzzle is thinking of retiring because he's worried about the elephants after he narrowly beat Reality. I'd say comments like that show that Kepsa has now caught up. I'm actually inclined to agree that the Kespa players have already caught up. I've been really impressed with their level of play thus far. However, you can't deny that the Gom players are really feeling the pressure to perform. Sure, Kespa players are feeling their own form of pressure now that they've had an 11-win streak against GSL players (I saw you mention this earlier), but the difference is that the pressure they're feeling is more of a "Oh hey, we're actually winning a ton when people didn't really expect us too, we have to keep it up", while the pressure that the Gom players are feeling is coming from pretty much the entire SC2 community: Obviously, the spectators/fans expect the Gom players to win since they have a 2-year head start, so there's that, and then there's also the personal pressure of letting yourself down - I'd imagine anyone would feel pretty bad losing to someone in something that they have a 2-year head start on.
Part of what made people A-teamers in BW, beyond talent, was ability to handle pressure. BW was pretty cut-throat, you could be amazingly talented and never play in proleague. Likely lots of the GOM pros that came early from Kespa might be described this way.
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United States7116 Posts
On August 18 2012 23:34 0neder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 06:08 HolyArrow wrote:On August 18 2012 05:39 Klogon wrote:On August 18 2012 05:32 mrtomjones wrote:On August 18 2012 05:16 wozzot wrote:
It's a shame to see another GSL player get painfully knocked out by another KeSPA pro. It really surprises me a lot to see them raining so hard on the Code S parade; I know that they have some ingenious decision-making skills, but I swear that some of these Brood War pros must be using micro hacks or something in order to defeat all these saviors of the existing SC2 scene so soundly.
I don't know whether to be happy or sad: this doesn't seem like reality, to be honest. I'm glad that the other GSL player made it through, though. If you want to stay alive and become the sole keeper of the WCS 2012 Korea title, you have to make a heroic effort.
I suppose that if you want to be a Starcraft 2 hero, joining a BW team does look like the best choice. If the GSL players want to keep competing, they can't flounder, make suicidal decisions and toss away their opportunities to win, or run with their tails between their legs. L.B.J. donged people hard, often, and without hesitation, and they need to do the same.
(I'm so sorry)
Gom pros are suffering from nerve issues due to the huge pressure of beating the BW pros. They have little to no info to study on players and have to sometimes(Not always) face strategies that they are just not used to. Kespa pros are getting good fast but they are not yet up to the level of the Gom pros so there isnt so much a need for the doom and gloom in your post. This reminds me of even low tier Koreans playing top foreigners who SHOULD beat them. They put the Korean on the pedestal and suffer for it. If you read the Hero and Miya interviews, Hero says the Kespa pros are already at the same level. And Miya says that Puzzle is thinking of retiring because he's worried about the elephants after he narrowly beat Reality. I'd say comments like that show that Kepsa has now caught up. I'm actually inclined to agree that the Kespa players have already caught up. I've been really impressed with their level of play thus far. However, you can't deny that the Gom players are really feeling the pressure to perform. Sure, Kespa players are feeling their own form of pressure now that they've had an 11-win streak against GSL players (I saw you mention this earlier), but the difference is that the pressure they're feeling is more of a "Oh hey, we're actually winning a ton when people didn't really expect us too, we have to keep it up", while the pressure that the Gom players are feeling is coming from pretty much the entire SC2 community: Obviously, the spectators/fans expect the Gom players to win since they have a 2-year head start, so there's that, and then there's also the personal pressure of letting yourself down - I'd imagine anyone would feel pretty bad losing to someone in something that they have a 2-year head start on. Part of what made people A-teamers in BW, beyond talent, was ability to handle pressure. BW was pretty cut-throat, you could be amazingly talented and never play in proleague. Likely lots of the GOM pros that came early from Kespa might be described this way.
Yep, completely agree. The ability to handle pressure is incredibly important, if not the most important ability as a progamer. I can't recall how many times progamers have stated that they don't/didn't play up to their usual standards due to pressure. Also explains why you always hear about how someone's amazing in practice, only to see them fail once they play onstage.
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