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On August 16 2012 21:53 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 21:39 Holgerius wrote:On August 16 2012 21:36 TeeTS wrote:On August 16 2012 21:33 Fubi wrote:On August 16 2012 21:32 TeeTS wrote:
GSL players seem to have lost their game understanding. Maybe their are just too pressured by the situation, but the awful decisionmaking is the only reason for Kespa's players success. really frustrating to watch those games :o Or maybe the Kespa players just played... better? I mean they are the better players afterall If you don't watch the GSL on a regular basis I can understand your comment. Because this is not the usual level of play you see from a player like Genius. I don't know what's his problem, but in this WCS you see players who have shown brilliant play, decision making and adaption to unusual situations in the past, completely fall apart to, well really nothing special. It's not like Kespa players are showing some amazing never seen kind of play. It's just that they are the ones playing solid and standard and the GSL players completely fail against that. I wonder what's the reason is, but this has to stop. At least give them a real fight! Lol, you can't keep using this excuse forever.  10 Bo3s in a row, vs players such as DRG and Genius. At some point you just have to give credit to the Kespa guys. I never said they were awful, when they were totally outclassed by some high Code S players like Hero or aLive. Because this also happens with most of the current code A stalemates. But to say after these games, that the Kespa players are insanely good is just bullshit. They are at the level you should expect after nearly 1year of playing SC2 more serious (yes I know you will deny it, but they have played SC2 for much longer than the 6months that everyone talks about). They are on a good way and some will reach the top. But that proven GSL players like Genius and Gumiho completely fail all over the place is shocking to me. They play really bad and then an okay performance as JaeDong showed is enough to beat him. What did JaeDong show? He lost to an 2Voidray 6gate in game1, then took a buildorder win against Genius' dumb greediness and showed a standard, non spectacular mutaling basetrade in game 3, that Genius' should have won, if he just moved his army right into the main (after he killed the 3rd) and left only some stalkers in the natural (a tactical move that should be known to a GSL player imo!). So we have ... game1 : lose to a standard allin game2 : Genius plays dumb greedy/risky and is punished for it, what I would consider as a total fail. game3 : Genius with really bad decision making in a basetrade and therefor losing it, what I would consider a fail too. And most of the Kespa wins go in that manner... Don't get me wrong, it's not that they are playing bad, they play okay, but nothing to freak out about. The problem is that GSL players play way below their usual level... nobody gives a fuck about what you think. Genius is pro and you are not so why the fuck should your opinion matter? Genius knows more than you do and based his decision making off it.
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i'm scared that if sc2 becomes kespa's playground, sc2 dies reaaally fast outside korea and all events will turn to moba games only =(
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On August 16 2012 21:58 mordk wrote:
Bah, I'm tired of this GOM vs Kespa debate, I hope some GOM pros do well, and about Kespa, I mostly care about JD, I'm also starting to grow fond of Reality and Sun.
Yeah was cheering for all the KeSPA players today, not a big fan of any of the GOM players that were playing today.
That being said, KeSPA players are playing damn well. But they're not the best of the best yet... keep in mind they are in the Loser's Bracket for a reason (except Roro, who is really beasting it up)
Really want Jaedong to win the tournament, especially since the big name GOM pros I like didn't participate anyway...
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i love u all guys, still waiting for the interviews, pls someone do it , kkthxgg
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On August 16 2012 22:04 silent_owl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 22:01 Wintex wrote:On August 16 2012 21:58 silent_owl wrote:On August 16 2012 21:55 Wintex wrote:On August 16 2012 21:52 Shock710 wrote:
So does gumihos win in the GSTL finals not count because the slayers players werent playing as "good as they could have been"...wtf a win is a win It does count. Every match counts. It's saddening to watch people not live up to what they usually do. Especially when BW fans just now started to watch sc2. They see this strong showings and will feel like the older champions didn't matter 'cause they all suck. And in reality, they just don't feel comfortable yet. That's how it seems. Really? I've been watching GSL since Open Season 1. And agree with above poster, so many wholes in fundamentals by the GSL players that never went PUNISHED before. Not anymore. The game isn't the same, and has changed quite a bit. We have reached a quite stable metagame now, compared to earlier. So much of the game has become better, and stupid things got nerfed, which in turn developed and made people really use the whole races. Misspelled "hole". LOL! Anyway. Yup, I've been watching since Open Season 1 and haven't stopped watching.  And no, those holes haven't been patched up by the general populace of SC2 players. Do I think JD can annihilate Seed or even someone with great PvZ like Liquid's Hero? Not really. But I do think that their mechanics will put them on equal footing very quickly because they are fundamentally sound.
Ofcourse. I want KeSPA players to do well myself. They play the game quite well, but some moments in these games look like the GOM players got fed a spoonful of cinnamon and proceeded to react like a normal human.
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On August 16 2012 22:06 Boonbag wrote:
i'm scared that if sc2 becomes kespa's playground, sc2 dies reaaally fast outside korea and all events will turn to moba games only =(
Not really. It will just become a new brood war.
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On August 16 2012 22:07 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 22:04 silent_owl wrote:On August 16 2012 22:01 Wintex wrote:On August 16 2012 21:58 silent_owl wrote:On August 16 2012 21:55 Wintex wrote:On August 16 2012 21:52 Shock710 wrote:
So does gumihos win in the GSTL finals not count because the slayers players werent playing as "good as they could have been"...wtf a win is a win It does count. Every match counts. It's saddening to watch people not live up to what they usually do. Especially when BW fans just now started to watch sc2. They see this strong showings and will feel like the older champions didn't matter 'cause they all suck. And in reality, they just don't feel comfortable yet. That's how it seems. Really? I've been watching GSL since Open Season 1. And agree with above poster, so many wholes in fundamentals by the GSL players that never went PUNISHED before. Not anymore. The game isn't the same, and has changed quite a bit. We have reached a quite stable metagame now, compared to earlier. So much of the game has become better, and stupid things got nerfed, which in turn developed and made people really use the whole races. Misspelled "hole". LOL! Anyway. Yup, I've been watching since Open Season 1 and haven't stopped watching. And no, those holes haven't been patched up by the general populace of SC2 players. Do I think JD can annihilate Seed or even someone with great PvZ like Liquid's Hero? Not really. But I do think that their mechanics will put them on equal footing very quickly because they are fundamentally sound. Ofcourse. I want KeSPA players to do well myself. They play the game quite well, but some moments in these games look like the GOM players got fed a spoonful of cinnamon and proceeded to react like a normal human. I like that metaphor lol
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On August 16 2012 22:06 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 21:58 mordk wrote:
Bah, I'm tired of this GOM vs Kespa debate, I hope some GOM pros do well, and about Kespa, I mostly care about JD, I'm also starting to grow fond of Reality and Sun. Yeah was cheering for all the KeSPA players today, not a big fan of any of the GOM players that were playing today. That being said, KeSPA players are playing damn well. But they're not the best of the best yet... keep in mind they are in the Loser's Bracket for a reason (except Roro, who is really beasting it up) Really want Jaedong to win the tournament, especially since the big name GOM pros I like didn't participate anyway...
Didn't participate, or didn't qualify?
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On August 16 2012 22:06 whirlpool wrote:
i love u all guys, still waiting for the interviews, pls someone do it , kkthxgg
Yes. So excited for interviews.
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On August 16 2012 22:08 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 22:07 Wintex wrote:On August 16 2012 22:04 silent_owl wrote:On August 16 2012 22:01 Wintex wrote:On August 16 2012 21:58 silent_owl wrote:On August 16 2012 21:55 Wintex wrote:On August 16 2012 21:52 Shock710 wrote:
So does gumihos win in the GSTL finals not count because the slayers players werent playing as "good as they could have been"...wtf a win is a win It does count. Every match counts. It's saddening to watch people not live up to what they usually do. Especially when BW fans just now started to watch sc2. They see this strong showings and will feel like the older champions didn't matter 'cause they all suck. And in reality, they just don't feel comfortable yet. That's how it seems. Really? I've been watching GSL since Open Season 1. And agree with above poster, so many wholes in fundamentals by the GSL players that never went PUNISHED before. Not anymore. The game isn't the same, and has changed quite a bit. We have reached a quite stable metagame now, compared to earlier. So much of the game has become better, and stupid things got nerfed, which in turn developed and made people really use the whole races. Misspelled "hole". LOL! Anyway. Yup, I've been watching since Open Season 1 and haven't stopped watching. And no, those holes haven't been patched up by the general populace of SC2 players. Do I think JD can annihilate Seed or even someone with great PvZ like Liquid's Hero? Not really. But I do think that their mechanics will put them on equal footing very quickly because they are fundamentally sound. Ofcourse. I want KeSPA players to do well myself. They play the game quite well, but some moments in these games look like the GOM players got fed a spoonful of cinnamon and proceeded to react like a normal human. I like that metaphor lol
You should try it.. It's horrible btw ^_^ Do it to a friend.
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On August 16 2012 22:04 silent_owl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 22:01 Wintex wrote:On August 16 2012 21:58 silent_owl wrote:On August 16 2012 21:55 Wintex wrote:On August 16 2012 21:52 Shock710 wrote:
So does gumihos win in the GSTL finals not count because the slayers players werent playing as "good as they could have been"...wtf a win is a win It does count. Every match counts. It's saddening to watch people not live up to what they usually do. Especially when BW fans just now started to watch sc2. They see this strong showings and will feel like the older champions didn't matter 'cause they all suck. And in reality, they just don't feel comfortable yet. That's how it seems. Really? I've been watching GSL since Open Season 1. And agree with above poster, so many wholes in fundamentals by the GSL players that never went PUNISHED before. Not anymore. The game isn't the same, and has changed quite a bit. We have reached a quite stable metagame now, compared to earlier. So much of the game has become better, and stupid things got nerfed, which in turn developed and made people really use the whole races. Misspelled "hole". LOL! Anyway. Yup, I've been watching since Open Season 1 and haven't stopped watching. And no, those holes haven't been patched up by the general populace of SC2 players. Do I think JD can annihilate Seed or even someone with great PvZ like Liquid's Hero? Not really. But I do think that their mechanics will put them on equal footing very quickly because they are fundamentally sound. EDIT: I mean I misspelled "hole". Anyway, I'll stop now. I don't want this to get personal.  Let's chill out and enjoy tomorrow's games.
I hope not anyway. Hero has some of the best mechanics and multitasking out of any current GOM Protoss, especially in PvZ. His race doesn't really help him get the most out of those chops but he's got them if required. Hopefully HoTS will allow non-deathball players like him to prosper
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On August 16 2012 22:07 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 22:04 silent_owl wrote:On August 16 2012 22:01 Wintex wrote:On August 16 2012 21:58 silent_owl wrote:On August 16 2012 21:55 Wintex wrote:On August 16 2012 21:52 Shock710 wrote:
So does gumihos win in the GSTL finals not count because the slayers players werent playing as "good as they could have been"...wtf a win is a win It does count. Every match counts. It's saddening to watch people not live up to what they usually do. Especially when BW fans just now started to watch sc2. They see this strong showings and will feel like the older champions didn't matter 'cause they all suck. And in reality, they just don't feel comfortable yet. That's how it seems. Really? I've been watching GSL since Open Season 1. And agree with above poster, so many wholes in fundamentals by the GSL players that never went PUNISHED before. Not anymore. The game isn't the same, and has changed quite a bit. We have reached a quite stable metagame now, compared to earlier. So much of the game has become better, and stupid things got nerfed, which in turn developed and made people really use the whole races. Misspelled "hole". LOL! Anyway. Yup, I've been watching since Open Season 1 and haven't stopped watching. And no, those holes haven't been patched up by the general populace of SC2 players. Do I think JD can annihilate Seed or even someone with great PvZ like Liquid's Hero? Not really. But I do think that their mechanics will put them on equal footing very quickly because they are fundamentally sound. Ofcourse. I want KeSPA players to do well myself. They play the game quite well, but some moments in these games look like the GOM players got fed a spoonful of cinnamon and proceeded to react like a normal human.
That is true. Fair point. I do think it's because they have to react to more from the Kespa players. Still, maybe it is entirely mental.
Sorry, man, hope I didn't make it feel like this was personal. As I edited my last post, let's just enjoy the games.
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On August 16 2012 22:07 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 22:06 Boonbag wrote:
i'm scared that if sc2 becomes kespa's playground, sc2 dies reaaally fast outside korea and all events will turn to moba games only =( Not really. It will just become a new brood war.
Well you know, players such as jaedong, flash, fantasy etc make very very high salary and won't travel outside korea for events because they dont have time / need to.
Then slowly the foreign scene will fall back and become such a joke it will be pointless to hold a competition.
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And I'm actually having real fun reading this thread
I'm just happy that the boys we loved for several years had their first important wins.
But above that, there is some sort of calm contend, a pleasant feeling of vengeance for the end of the gaming scene I loved so much. It is not just Kespa > Gsl players, it is a sort of BW victory over what brought so much pain into my life as a BW fan. And I'm not sorry or shameful for that at all, I feel that it is a very natural reaction on what has been done.
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On August 16 2012 22:06 Boonbag wrote:
i'm scared that if sc2 becomes kespa's playground, sc2 dies reaaally fast outside korea and all events will turn to moba games only =(
How so? We get better games, more tournaments, more money involved, more story lines to follow.. Its great for GOM, its great for the general hype. SCII will never be as big as the Korean BW scene was therefore there is no reason for Kespa to try to monopolize SCII the way they did BW
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On August 16 2012 22:07 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 22:06 Boonbag wrote:
i'm scared that if sc2 becomes kespa's playground, sc2 dies reaaally fast outside korea and all events will turn to moba games only =( Not really. It will just become a new brood war.
BW died pretty much everywhere outside korea
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On August 16 2012 22:10 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 22:07 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 16 2012 22:06 Boonbag wrote:
i'm scared that if sc2 becomes kespa's playground, sc2 dies reaaally fast outside korea and all events will turn to moba games only =( Not really. It will just become a new brood war. Well you know, players such as jaedong, flash, fantasy etc make very very high salary and won't travel outside korea for events because they dont have time / need to. Then slowly the foreign scene will fall back and become such a joke it will be pointless to hold a competition.
Yeah but that never stopped brood war from becoming what it was. The interest was in the players which is what Kespa brings to the table.
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On August 16 2012 22:13 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 22:07 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 16 2012 22:06 Boonbag wrote:
i'm scared that if sc2 becomes kespa's playground, sc2 dies reaaally fast outside korea and all events will turn to moba games only =( Not really. It will just become a new brood war. BW died pretty much everywhere outside korea
Yes, but the interest was still there internationally.
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On August 16 2012 22:11 Dundron2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 22:06 Boonbag wrote:
i'm scared that if sc2 becomes kespa's playground, sc2 dies reaaally fast outside korea and all events will turn to moba games only =( How so? We get better games, more tournaments, more money involved, more story lines to follow.. Its great for GOM, its great for the general hype. SCII will never be as big as the Korean BW scene was therefore there is no reason for Kespa to try to monopolize SCII the way they did BW
nono, kespa / ogn will prolly start gearing things really big time to get back to their golden age and if success is here, gomtv will take mbc's old spot and we'll be back again for a another korean pro gaming ride.
once foreign sc2 stars start looking like scrubs vs new korean scene i doubt anyone will want to follow foreigners anymore...
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On August 16 2012 22:10 silent_owl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 22:07 Wintex wrote:On August 16 2012 22:04 silent_owl wrote:On August 16 2012 22:01 Wintex wrote:On August 16 2012 21:58 silent_owl wrote:On August 16 2012 21:55 Wintex wrote:On August 16 2012 21:52 Shock710 wrote:
So does gumihos win in the GSTL finals not count because the slayers players werent playing as "good as they could have been"...wtf a win is a win It does count. Every match counts. It's saddening to watch people not live up to what they usually do. Especially when BW fans just now started to watch sc2. They see this strong showings and will feel like the older champions didn't matter 'cause they all suck. And in reality, they just don't feel comfortable yet. That's how it seems. Really? I've been watching GSL since Open Season 1. And agree with above poster, so many wholes in fundamentals by the GSL players that never went PUNISHED before. Not anymore. The game isn't the same, and has changed quite a bit. We have reached a quite stable metagame now, compared to earlier. So much of the game has become better, and stupid things got nerfed, which in turn developed and made people really use the whole races. Misspelled "hole". LOL! Anyway. Yup, I've been watching since Open Season 1 and haven't stopped watching. And no, those holes haven't been patched up by the general populace of SC2 players. Do I think JD can annihilate Seed or even someone with great PvZ like Liquid's Hero? Not really. But I do think that their mechanics will put them on equal footing very quickly because they are fundamentally sound. Ofcourse. I want KeSPA players to do well myself. They play the game quite well, but some moments in these games look like the GOM players got fed a spoonful of cinnamon and proceeded to react like a normal human. That is true. Fair point. I do think it's because they have to react to more from the Kespa players. Still, maybe it is entirely mental. Sorry, man, hope I didn't make it feel like this was personal. As I edited my last post, let's just enjoy the games.
/hifive Ditto. I admit I was a bitch, but it's hard to watch sometimes. GLHF, don't choke on cinnamon, and sorry! Let's enjoy some good starcraft. Winner('s bracket) is coming.
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