EPTOn August 16 2012 21:53 opterown wrote:
to be fair, his tweet says "today" man haha
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to be fair, his tweet says "today" man haha
I don't need a tweet by Legend. You can just take a look at the results, lol.
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
I don't need a tweet by Legend. You can just take a look at the results, lol. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
The Kespa players improve at a way faster rate then most of us expected and they are fast becoming pretty scary. Yea, some GSL players did some silly stuff or didn't play up their standard but come on, its not as bad as some of you make it out to be. It is good they are improving so fast which means more interesting games and the "lesser" players getting replaced. Does that mean that the whole GSL will be replaced in a couple tournaments? No. It only means that we got a higher top then now and if the current top wants to keep their place they will have to work for it. | ||
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
If they continue to be scared, they will have to search for other jobs pretty soon. | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:53 TeeTS wrote: I never said they were awful, when they were totally outclassed by some high Code S players like Hero or aLive. Because this also happens with most of the current code A stalemates. But to say after these games, that the Kespa players are insanely good is just bullshit. They are at the level you should expect after nearly 1year of playing SC2 more serious (yes I know you will deny it, but they have played SC2 for much longer than the 6months that everyone talks about). They are on a good way and some will reach the top. But that proven GSL players like Genius and Gumiho completely fail all over the place is shocking to me. They play really bad and then an okay performance as JaeDong showed is enough to beat him. What did JaeDong show? He lost to an 2Voidray 6gate in game1, then took a buildorder win against Genius' dumb greediness and showed a standard, non spectacular mutaling basetrade in game 3, that Genius' should have won, if he just moved his army right into the main (after he killed the 3rd) and left only some stalkers in the natural (a tactical move that should be known to a GSL player imo!). So we have ... game1 : lose to a standard allin game2 : Genius plays dumb greedy/risky and is punished for it, what I would consider as a total fail. game3 : Genius with really bad decision making in a basetrade and therefor losing it, what I would consider a fail too. And most of the Kespa wins go in that manner... Don't get me wrong, it's not that they are playing bad, they play okay, but nothing to freak out about. The problem is that GSL players play way below their usual level... What makes you say that they have been playing it for nearly a year? Where's your evidence? These excuses and rationalisations are just getting silly. | ||
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:55 Wintex wrote: It does count. Every match counts. It's saddening to watch people not live up to what they usually do. Especially when BW fans just now started to watch sc2. They see this strong showings and will feel like the older champions didn't matter 'cause they all suck. And in reality, they just don't feel comfortable yet. That's how it seems. 95% of ppl following bw followsc2 as well. Everything you see... the sc2 scene today was build by bw fans.. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
Kespa player showing who is the boss today. | ||
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Orek
1665 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:55 ElephantBaby wrote: Even if GSL players played bad, it just shows that some of them are scared. If they continue to be scared, they will have to search for other jobs pretty soon. Says ElephantBaby  | ||
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:55 Wintex wrote: It does count. Every match counts. It's saddening to watch people not live up to what they usually do. Especially when BW fans just now started to watch sc2. They see this strong showings and will feel like the older champions didn't matter 'cause they all suck. And in reality, they just don't feel comfortable yet. That's how it seems. Really? I've been watching GSL since Open Season 1. And agree with above poster, so many holes in fundamentals by the GSL players that never went PUNISHED before. Not anymore. | ||
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humblegar
Norway883 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:53 TeeTS wrote: I never said they were awful, when they were totally outclassed by some high Code S players like Hero or aLive. Because this also happens with most of the current code A stalemates. But to say after these games, that the Kespa players are insanely good is just bullshit. They are at the level you should expect after nearly 1year of playing SC2 more serious (yes I know you will deny it, but they have played SC2 for much longer than the 6months that everyone talks about). They are on a good way and some will reach the top. But that proven GSL players like Genius and Gumiho completely fail all over the place is shocking to me. They play really bad and then an okay performance as JaeDong showed is enough to beat him. What did JaeDong show? He lost to an 2Voidray 6gate in game1, then took a buildorder win against Genius' dumb greediness and showed a standard, non spectacular mutaling basetrade in game 3, that Genius' should have won, if he just moved his army right into the main (after he killed the 3rd) and left only some stalkers in the natural (a tactical move that should be known to a GSL player imo!). So we have ... game1 : lose to a standard allin game2 : Genius plays dumb greedy/risky and is punished for it, what I would consider as a total fail. game3 : Genius with really bad decision making in a basetrade and therefor losing it, what I would consider a fail too. And most of the Kespa wins go in that manner... Don't get me wrong, it's not that they are playing bad, they play okay, but nothing to freak out about. The problem is that GSL players play way below their usual level... Posts like happen in every game when "new" players rise to the top. The only difference here is that the new players are old elephants  And they are wrong every time. I'm old enough to remember even when Flash arrived at the scene, people would claim that he could only cheese, simply because that is how he got his first win versus Bisu. Those posts look a bit silly now :p The clue is that results never lie, and things will only get worse from here on, SKT1 has hardly started to throw their weight around as an example. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:57 Boonbag wrote: 95% of ppl following bw followsc2 as well. Everything you see... the sc2 scene today was build by bw fans.. My thoughts exactly. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16849 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:58 silent_owl wrote: Really? I've been watching GSL since Open Season 1. And agree with above poster, so many wholes in fundamentals by the GSL players that never went PUNISHED before. Not anymore. The game isn't the same, and has changed quite a bit. We have reached a quite stable metagame now, compared to earlier. So much of the game has become better, and stupid things got nerfed, which in turn developed and made people really use the whole races. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:48 SiroKO wrote: These 7 players are the best Kespa can do, yet 6 of them are in the LB. See, there are different approachs than the "omg elephants" one. Just stop the bs all ready... When the qualifiers were held the KeSPA players knew next to nothing about this game. Reality doesn't even have a POSITIVE record in PL and JD has better record against these GSL players than he has against the KeSPA players in PL. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:52 mh_no_idea wrote: lol i dont even care for gom or kespa, i just want to see good games and i am fine. But this hype is just to much. We are in the losers bracket , just look how the winners bracket looks like... Lets see how the top 10 or so at the end of the tournament look like! Lol Kespa players have already proven themselves and may I remind you that they did so in three 1/2 months while concurrently practicing and simultaneously playing two games while your GSL players had 2 years. There is no excuse for the GSL players, they are simply being...how do you say...outplayed. Sure, Kespa lost round 1 but since then they have had more time to focus on SC2 and it is starting to show. Just except the reality because the sole key of Kespa players was to learn from their mistakes and put more effort into their next games. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:52 figq wrote: Which part of "latest stats" did you misunderstand? It all began the other day when it was 0-3 for that day. Now it's a 0-10 streak. English isn't my first language, but the literal translation means "Laatste statistieken" in my native language making it pretty damn misleading with no proper indication of time of measurement whatsoever. But honestly ignoring that. Why don't you just make it 12-6? Looks like a far more interesting statistic than the 10-0 | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27459 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:55 Herry wrote: Been a fan of both since they both began, and not suprised at all that Kespa is now crushing. Maybe its bad play? but bad play has to be punished by good play in order for it to matter. Maybe its bad luck? not this many times in a row its not. Maybe its just the fact that BW pros have insane multitasking abilities, decision making and strategic knowledge. for SO long i have watched SC2 players make stupid moves, be lazy with their micro and army movements, and not use the whole map or range of strategies. They just want to macro an army and attack and win. Kespa players are running rings around them creating so many engagements keeping their opponents from ever getting to that stage of comfort, its awesome play that i have been waiting for sc2 players to do but they never did. (maybe except a few people but didnt have the focus or mechanics to back it up) The only thing I am worried about is if a Kespa player does end up going to WCS, they will underestimate the strength of foreign players and not understand their playstyles. Even then i think by that stage these guys will all be Code S level or beyond if they keep improving this fast. The Zergs are especially worth looking at on this front. Zergs are competitive in all levels of Starcraft 2, and pretty much don't micro nearly as much as they could. It's why Stephano is so good, he's not doing anything strategically mindblowing, but his focus-firing and multitasking are why his ZvP is so damn strong. Jaedong is a player with the mechanics to macro well, and add multi-pronged attacks in, while controlling well. It's pretty fearsome to behold | ||
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
On August 16 2012 22:01 Wintex wrote: The game isn't the same, and has changed quite a bit. We have reached a quite stable metagame now, compared to earlier. So much of the game has become better, and stupid things got nerfed, which in turn developed and made people really use the whole races. Misspelled "hole". LOL! Anyway. Yup, I've been watching since Open Season 1 and haven't stopped watching. And no, those holes haven't been patched up by the general populace of SC2 players.Do I think JD can annihilate Seed or even someone with great PvZ like Liquid's Hero? Not really. But I do think that their mechanics will put them on equal footing very quickly because they are fundamentally sound. EDIT: I mean I misspelled "hole". Anyway, I'll stop now. I don't want this to get personal. Let's chill out and enjoy tomorrow's games. | ||
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klicken
Sweden206 Posts
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8mmspikes
United States1704 Posts
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10 Bo3s in a row, vs players such as DRG and Genius. At some point you just have to give credit to the Kespa guys.![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XLJrX.jpg)
