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On August 16 2012 21:46 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 21:43 Ysellian wrote:On August 16 2012 21:40 figq wrote:Latest stats: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XLJrX.jpg) Can you make one that adds the results of the winner's bracket as well? Doesn't matter, Kespa is still winning Roro - 2:0 Reality - 2:1 JD - 2:1 herO - 2:1 Effort - 2:1 Rain - 1:1 Soulkey - 1:1 12 - 6...
These 7 players are the best Kespa can do, yet 6 of them are in the LB.
See, there are different approachs than the "omg elephants" one.
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Awesome G3 between genius and JD to cap the night 
Interesting to see that most BW fans are fans of the players moreso than the game, which bodes well for SC2.
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don't worry more creator fashion shows coming to an LR thread near you on monday :D
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Genius should NOT have lost game 2 like that. I've read different explanations for why GSL players are losing to Kespa players and one of them was that GSL players don't know the type of play style Kespa players have. Every game 2 in the WCS, Jaedong did a cheese build against his opponents.(Alive and SC)
It's pretty obvious Genius didn't watch JD's previous games and I always thought it was the coaches job as well to help scout their opponent and what type of style they have and might do. Not to be disrespectful to Cella, but a Kespa team would never hire him to be a coach.
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On August 16 2012 21:49 opterown wrote: don't worry more creator fashion shows coming to an LR thread near you on monday :D
Thank god.
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On August 16 2012 21:48 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 21:46 vthree wrote:On August 16 2012 21:43 Ysellian wrote:On August 16 2012 21:40 figq wrote:Latest stats: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XLJrX.jpg) Can you make one that adds the results of the winner's bracket as well? Doesn't matter, Kespa is still winning Roro - 2:0 Reality - 2:1 JD - 2:1 herO - 2:1 Effort - 2:1 Rain - 1:1 Soulkey - 1:1 12 - 6... These 7 players are the best Kespa can do, yet 6 of them are in the LB. See, there are different approachs than the "omg elephants" one. Look, I like GOM just as much as the next guy, and certainly JD and Effort are top tier. But Roro and herO are not the "best KeSPA can do" long term.
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On August 16 2012 21:44 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 21:43 Ysellian wrote:On August 16 2012 21:40 figq wrote:Latest stats: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XLJrX.jpg) Can you make one that adds the results of the winner's bracket as well? yeah.. people for some reason want to forget that its the losers bracket.. but *shrug*. Personally i want to see even better games than the last set of JD v genius. Heres hoping. We don't forget (elephant memory duh), but those are indeed the latest 10 results.
Here's a quote from earlier that included all the results up to that previous point:
On August 16 2012 19:48 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 19:41 pdd wrote:On August 16 2012 19:37 thousand wrote: So what is the GSL vs KeSPA score right now? Curious 2-0 Sun aLive 2-0 Jaedong Gumiho 2-0 Soulkey HerO 2-0 Effort Puzzle 2-1 HerO[jOin] Yugioh 0-2 Reality Hack 1-2 RorO Puzzle 2-1 Reality Leenock 1-2 RorO Horror 1-2 Sun sC 1-2 Jaedong CoCa 0-2 Soulkey DRG 1-2 Effort Yugioh 0-2 HerO[jOin] Tails 1-2 HerO[jOin] Gumiho 0-2 Effort GSL 18-22 KeSPA Kespa players also defeated in the preliminaries: Nestea, Symbol, Bomber, Jjakji, Tassadar, Inca in PvP, Terius, Brown etc
We have to add 2x 2-1s so it's now 26-20 for Kespa. (in maps)
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On August 16 2012 21:48 Alryk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 21:45 Avidkeystamper wrote:On August 16 2012 21:42 Alryk wrote:On August 16 2012 21:36 Holgerius wrote: So, how many Bo3s in a row have Kespa players won now vs GOM players? 10. How many Bo3's did the GOM players obviously, blatantly choke in? I.E. make it WAY easier for their opponent to win in? At LEAST 6 of those. And that's only cause I missed 4 of the games. Seriously, if you see a GOM player play well, and get beat, that's much more notable. DRG doesn't even count, he hasn't won an important match since he lost to MC. I didn't see Gumiho's games, and Genius certainly wasn't a genius in that series. I think the SC2 fans are being too anti BW with "GOM pros are just playing like shit" (they are) but not giving credit to kespa players who are playing fairly well (plenty of code A talent in them) but BW elitists need to sit up and realize that these wins mean very little other than the fact that kespa players scare the shit out of GOM pros. Also, keep in mind these are 6 HAND Picked players by kespa, the very best at SC2 in their league (plus reality). The talent is certainly not inclusive for the entire league =. Just look at Bisu right now. Just advice, the strength of your argument is dramatically weakened when you say "this counterexample doesn't count." Having a 6-1 in your favor is much more forceful than a 7-0, cuz the one against "doesn't even count" That's a cop out remark. >.> I didn't LITERALLY mean he doesn't count. I meant he doesn't count in the sense of top tier players. He is definitely not playing like an S class player against Kespa, or GOM players. Jesus.
I don't think there are really multiple interpretations to "that win doesn't count" in this case. Yes, I also did not mean the win LITERALLY did not count; I understand that it will be recorded as Effort's win in Liquipedia instead of a null match, in case there was any confusion (which there wasn't).
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10 in a row for Kespa? Looks like someone flipped the switch.
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On August 16 2012 21:48 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 21:46 vthree wrote:On August 16 2012 21:43 Ysellian wrote:On August 16 2012 21:40 figq wrote:Latest stats: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XLJrX.jpg) Can you make one that adds the results of the winner's bracket as well? Doesn't matter, Kespa is still winning Roro - 2:0 Reality - 2:1 JD - 2:1 herO - 2:1 Effort - 2:1 Rain - 1:1 Soulkey - 1:1 12 - 6... These 7 players are the best Kespa can do, yet 6 of them are in the LB. See, there are different approachs than the "omg elephants" one.
Yeah, overall, Gom is still doing better since more in winners. But you have to admit it is impressive showing by Kespa players.
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On August 16 2012 21:48 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 21:46 vthree wrote:On August 16 2012 21:43 Ysellian wrote:On August 16 2012 21:40 figq wrote:Latest stats: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XLJrX.jpg) Can you make one that adds the results of the winner's bracket as well? Doesn't matter, Kespa is still winning Roro - 2:0 Reality - 2:1 JD - 2:1 herO - 2:1 Effort - 2:1 Rain - 1:1 Soulkey - 1:1 12 - 6... These 7 players are the best Kespa can do, yet 6 of them are in the LB. See, there are different approachs than the "omg elephants" one.
Well, in their defence only two of the GSL palyers in the WR actually defeated a Kespa player to get there.
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What the hell is going on ? 4 Kespa vs GOM matchs and the Kespa players win everything oO !! (against GuMiHo who have been GSL Code S RO8 a few times, and Genius a GSL Code S runner up..)..
That's crazy..crazy awesome.
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On August 16 2012 21:46 Alryk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 21:45 Holgerius wrote:On August 16 2012 21:40 sc2holar wrote:On August 16 2012 21:36 setzer wrote:On August 16 2012 21:35 Wintex wrote:On August 16 2012 21:33 Fubi wrote:On August 16 2012 21:32 TeeTS wrote: GSL players seem to have lost their game understanding. Maybe their are just too pressured by the situation, but the awful decisionmaking is the only reason for Kespa's players success. really frustrating to watch those games :o Or maybe the Kespa players just played... better? I mean they are the better players afterall Stop viewing this with your rose-tinted glasses. In no way do you see them get supply blocked, stop for 15 seconds to make a decision etcetera etcetera in this magnitude. This is beyond bad GSL play. I'm not impressed by the KeSPA players until they start winning versus people that are in the winners bracket now. Cause this is fucking embarassing. Beating Genius, DRG, Gumiho is not impressive at all to you? Not when they play frucking terrible. So in 10 Bo3s in a row, they just randomly started playing terribly? Maybe you should start considering the alternative that they aren't actually that good to begin with?  LOL Read the writeups. Watch the games. They didn't randomly start playing terribly. They're playing terribly because they feel a huge pressure to cleanly beat the kespa underdogs, which makes them choke. Anybody who denies kespa skill is dumb, but believing that they're winning from pure skill and not Gom players choking is just plain idiotic.
Yeah exactly like all the Koreans choke when they mow through every foreigner tournament right?
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Guess we can start spamming elephant pics in LR threads now..
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On August 16 2012 21:46 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 21:43 Ysellian wrote:On August 16 2012 21:40 figq wrote:Latest stats: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XLJrX.jpg) Can you make one that adds the results of the winner's bracket as well? Doesn't matter, Kespa is till winningRoro - 2:0 Reality - 2:1 JD - 2:1 herO - 2:1 Effort - 2:1 Rain - 1:1 Soulkey - 1:1 12 - 6...
But not by 10-0, which is just misleading. Especially because most of the victories are coming against GSL players in the losers bracket.
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oh wow that is surprising to me
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Reminder the best SC2 observer in the world and one of the most starcraft-knowledgeable persons in the scene already accepted that the elephants are here to stay. Reminder he sees absolutely everything, including stuff most of the caster miss. Therefore, he just knows how good Kespa players already are.
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