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shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
August 16 2012 12:44 GMT
#1981
Jaedong !!!!
AKMU / IU
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 12:44:40
August 16 2012 12:44 GMT
#1982
On August 16 2012 21:43 Ysellian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 21:40 figq wrote:
Latest stats:
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Can you make one that adds the results of the winner's bracket as well?

yeah.. people for some reason want to forget that its the losers bracket.. but *shrug*. Personally i want to see even better games than the last set of JD v genius. Heres hoping.
Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
August 16 2012 12:44 GMT
#1983
On August 16 2012 21:43 bokchoi wrote:
Wow, KesPA 4/4. They coming. They coming hard.


Indeed. Watch out for them in the GSL too.

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SKtheAnathema
Profile Joined September 2010
United States885 Posts
August 16 2012 12:44 GMT
#1984
man, that cannot feel good to lose a base race with someone with less experience D:

jaedong's decision-making is redic
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
August 16 2012 12:45 GMT
#1985
On August 16 2012 21:43 Wintex wrote:
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On August 16 2012 21:42 GolemMadness wrote:
I love how every Kespa victory is solely because GOM players have bad nerves/just happen to be playing terribly in that particular match. Keep telling yourself that.


Let's make a bet. If Squirtle loses to RorO and HE IS CHOKING, I'll voluntarily accept a ban for the rest of the month from TL.


Sadly, no one cares if you get banned except you...
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
August 16 2012 12:45 GMT
#1986

On August 16 2012 21:40 sc2holar wrote:
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On August 16 2012 21:36 setzer wrote:
On August 16 2012 21:35 Wintex wrote:
On August 16 2012 21:33 Fubi wrote:
On August 16 2012 21:32 TeeTS wrote:
GSL players seem to have lost their game understanding. Maybe their are just too pressured by the situation, but the awful decisionmaking is the only reason for Kespa's players success. really frustrating to watch those games :o

Or maybe the Kespa players just played... better? I mean they are the better players afterall


Stop viewing this with your rose-tinted glasses. In no way do you see them get supply blocked, stop for 15 seconds to make a decision etcetera etcetera in this magnitude. This is beyond bad GSL play. I'm not impressed by the KeSPA players until they start winning versus people that are in the winners bracket now. Cause this is fucking embarassing.


Beating Genius, DRG, Gumiho is not impressive at all to you?

Not when they play frucking terrible.

So in 10 Bo3s in a row, they just randomly started playing terribly? Maybe you should start considering the alternative that they aren't actually that good to begin with?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
August 16 2012 12:45 GMT
#1987
On August 16 2012 21:37 GolemMadness wrote:
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On August 16 2012 21:34 Alryk wrote:
How are kespa players still winning? I know in the first 6 series that they won, the GOM players just played straight up bad (missed leenock though). Not to say they didn't deserve it, but none of the gom players played like they should, particularly the higher skilled players. Now they continue losing, are they still just playing equally nervous? (Again, not that the kespa players can't win, but that GOM players are certainly making it easier for them).


How can good players win games? One of life's great mysteries...


The hell lol? Continued BW elitism? Can you REALLY say that the GOM players aren't playing like shit? In every one of my posts I'm trying to give kespa pros for playing well, and not choking in their big debut. Why the hell so much sarcasm? Yes they're good. But they aren't that good, by themselves. I want kespa vs GOM games where the gom players don't actually choke, THEN we can see all these elephant comments. And I'm not saying kespa would lose, I'm just saying these are shit games to comment off of.

It's like QXC all killing IM and everybody being like "oh damn QXC > MVP, Nestea" or something stupid like that.
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
August 16 2012 12:45 GMT
#1988
On August 16 2012 21:42 Alryk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 21:36 Holgerius wrote:
So, how many Bo3s in a row have Kespa players won now vs GOM players?

10.

How many Bo3's did the GOM players obviously, blatantly choke in? I.E. make it WAY easier for their opponent to win in?

At LEAST 6 of those. And that's only cause I missed 4 of the games. Seriously, if you see a GOM player play well, and get beat, that's much more notable.

DRG doesn't even count, he hasn't won an important match since he lost to MC. I didn't see Gumiho's games, and Genius certainly wasn't a genius in that series.

I think the SC2 fans are being too anti BW with "GOM pros are just playing like shit" (they are) but not giving credit to kespa players who are playing fairly well (plenty of code A talent in them) but BW elitists need to sit up and realize that these wins mean very little other than the fact that kespa players scare the shit out of GOM pros.

Also, keep in mind these are 6 HAND Picked players by kespa, the very best at SC2 in their league (plus reality). The talent is certainly not inclusive for the entire league =. Just look at Bisu right now.


Just advice, the strength of your argument is dramatically weakened when you say "this counterexample doesn't count." Having a 6-1 in your favor is much more forceful than a 7-0, cuz the one against "doesn't even count" That's a cop out remark.
Jaedong
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
August 16 2012 12:45 GMT
#1989
On August 16 2012 21:45 Orek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 21:43 Wintex wrote:
On August 16 2012 21:42 GolemMadness wrote:
I love how every Kespa victory is solely because GOM players have bad nerves/just happen to be playing terribly in that particular match. Keep telling yourself that.


Let's make a bet. If Squirtle loses to RorO and HE IS CHOKING, I'll voluntarily accept a ban for the rest of the month from TL.


Sadly, no one cares if you get banned except you...


Exactly.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
ffrozenfish
Profile Joined May 2011
820 Posts
August 16 2012 12:46 GMT
#1990
On August 16 2012 21:44 SKtheAnathema wrote:
man, that cannot feel good to lose a base race with someone with less experience D:

jaedong's decision-making is redic


Genius did not know base racing a muta player is bad
Give us our snipe back - Ghost
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 12:47:07
August 16 2012 12:46 GMT
#1991
On August 16 2012 21:43 Ysellian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 21:40 figq wrote:
Latest stats:
[image loading]


Can you make one that adds the results of the winner's bracket as well?


Doesn't matter, Kespa is still winning

Roro - 2:0
Reality - 2:1
JD - 2:1
herO - 2:1
Effort - 2:1
Rain - 1:1
Soulkey - 1:1

12 - 6...
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
August 16 2012 12:46 GMT
#1992
On August 16 2012 21:45 Holgerius wrote:

Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 21:40 sc2holar wrote:
On August 16 2012 21:36 setzer wrote:
On August 16 2012 21:35 Wintex wrote:
On August 16 2012 21:33 Fubi wrote:
On August 16 2012 21:32 TeeTS wrote:
GSL players seem to have lost their game understanding. Maybe their are just too pressured by the situation, but the awful decisionmaking is the only reason for Kespa's players success. really frustrating to watch those games :o

Or maybe the Kespa players just played... better? I mean they are the better players afterall


Stop viewing this with your rose-tinted glasses. In no way do you see them get supply blocked, stop for 15 seconds to make a decision etcetera etcetera in this magnitude. This is beyond bad GSL play. I'm not impressed by the KeSPA players until they start winning versus people that are in the winners bracket now. Cause this is fucking embarassing.


Beating Genius, DRG, Gumiho is not impressive at all to you?

Not when they play frucking terrible.

So in 10 Bo3s in a row, they just randomly started playing terribly? Maybe you should start considering the alternative that they aren't actually that good to begin with?


LOL

Read the writeups. Watch the games. They didn't randomly start playing terribly. They're playing terribly because they feel a huge pressure to cleanly beat the kespa underdogs, which makes them choke. Anybody who denies kespa skill is dumb, but believing that they're winning from pure skill and not Gom players choking is just plain idiotic.
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
August 16 2012 12:47 GMT
#1993
On August 16 2012 21:45 silent_owl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 21:45 Orek wrote:
On August 16 2012 21:43 Wintex wrote:
On August 16 2012 21:42 GolemMadness wrote:
I love how every Kespa victory is solely because GOM players have bad nerves/just happen to be playing terribly in that particular match. Keep telling yourself that.


Let's make a bet. If Squirtle loses to RorO and HE IS CHOKING, I'll voluntarily accept a ban for the rest of the month from TL.


Sadly, no one cares if you get banned except you...


Exactly.


Fair point. Ah well. Squirtle for president anyway.
The Bomber boy
Disposition1989
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada270 Posts
August 16 2012 12:47 GMT
#1994
On August 16 2012 21:40 sc2holar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 21:36 setzer wrote:
On August 16 2012 21:35 Wintex wrote:
On August 16 2012 21:33 Fubi wrote:
On August 16 2012 21:32 TeeTS wrote:
GSL players seem to have lost their game understanding. Maybe their are just too pressured by the situation, but the awful decisionmaking is the only reason for Kespa's players success. really frustrating to watch those games :o

Or maybe the Kespa players just played... better? I mean they are the better players afterall


Stop viewing this with your rose-tinted glasses. In no way do you see them get supply blocked, stop for 15 seconds to make a decision etcetera etcetera in this magnitude. This is beyond bad GSL play. I'm not impressed by the KeSPA players until they start winning versus people that are in the winners bracket now. Cause this is fucking embarassing.


Beating Genius, DRG, Gumiho is not impressive at all to you?

Not when they play frucking terrible.

Doesn't matter if they played "terrible", which by the way can't be an excuse every. single. time. they lose. They are getting beat (a lot more than they should) by a bunch of just turned serious about sc2 four months ago players. That in itself, is impressive.
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
August 16 2012 12:47 GMT
#1995
kespa coming hard, but squirtle will win roro, creator will also win tomorrow i hope
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
August 16 2012 12:47 GMT
#1996
On August 16 2012 21:46 ffrozenfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 21:44 SKtheAnathema wrote:
man, that cannot feel good to lose a base race with someone with less experience D:

jaedong's decision-making is redic


Genius did not know base racing a muta player is bad


Well, I feel for Genius. It's one thing to know of JD's muta play, it's another to have to face it.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
August 16 2012 12:47 GMT
#1997
On August 16 2012 21:45 Orek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 21:43 Wintex wrote:
On August 16 2012 21:42 GolemMadness wrote:
I love how every Kespa victory is solely because GOM players have bad nerves/just happen to be playing terribly in that particular match. Keep telling yourself that.


Let's make a bet. If Squirtle loses to RorO and HE IS CHOKING, I'll voluntarily accept a ban for the rest of the month from TL.


Sadly, no one cares if you get banned except you...

sadly? u mean thankfully. We dont need to bet he'll end up getting banned himself one way or another. Just leave him alone and he'll stop, its like in kindergarden u just put the annoying kid in a corner by himself and even if he rages no one will care and he'll stop himself if not hes probably retarded and needs help
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
August 16 2012 12:48 GMT
#1998
On August 16 2012 21:45 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 21:42 Alryk wrote:
On August 16 2012 21:36 Holgerius wrote:
So, how many Bo3s in a row have Kespa players won now vs GOM players?

10.

How many Bo3's did the GOM players obviously, blatantly choke in? I.E. make it WAY easier for their opponent to win in?

At LEAST 6 of those. And that's only cause I missed 4 of the games. Seriously, if you see a GOM player play well, and get beat, that's much more notable.

DRG doesn't even count, he hasn't won an important match since he lost to MC. I didn't see Gumiho's games, and Genius certainly wasn't a genius in that series.

I think the SC2 fans are being too anti BW with "GOM pros are just playing like shit" (they are) but not giving credit to kespa players who are playing fairly well (plenty of code A talent in them) but BW elitists need to sit up and realize that these wins mean very little other than the fact that kespa players scare the shit out of GOM pros.

Also, keep in mind these are 6 HAND Picked players by kespa, the very best at SC2 in their league (plus reality). The talent is certainly not inclusive for the entire league =. Just look at Bisu right now.


Just advice, the strength of your argument is dramatically weakened when you say "this counterexample doesn't count." Having a 6-1 in your favor is much more forceful than a 7-0, cuz the one against "doesn't even count" That's a cop out remark.


>.> I didn't LITERALLY mean he doesn't count. I meant he doesn't count in the sense of top tier players. He is definitely not playing like an S class player against Kespa, or GOM players. Jesus.
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ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
August 16 2012 12:48 GMT
#1999
guys.. this is the losers' bracket...... look in the winners'
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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
August 16 2012 12:48 GMT
#2000
On August 16 2012 21:46 Alryk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 21:45 Holgerius wrote:

On August 16 2012 21:40 sc2holar wrote:
On August 16 2012 21:36 setzer wrote:
On August 16 2012 21:35 Wintex wrote:
On August 16 2012 21:33 Fubi wrote:
On August 16 2012 21:32 TeeTS wrote:
GSL players seem to have lost their game understanding. Maybe their are just too pressured by the situation, but the awful decisionmaking is the only reason for Kespa's players success. really frustrating to watch those games :o

Or maybe the Kespa players just played... better? I mean they are the better players afterall


Stop viewing this with your rose-tinted glasses. In no way do you see them get supply blocked, stop for 15 seconds to make a decision etcetera etcetera in this magnitude. This is beyond bad GSL play. I'm not impressed by the KeSPA players until they start winning versus people that are in the winners bracket now. Cause this is fucking embarassing.


Beating Genius, DRG, Gumiho is not impressive at all to you?

Not when they play frucking terrible.

So in 10 Bo3s in a row, they just randomly started playing terribly? Maybe you should start considering the alternative that they aren't actually that good to begin with?


LOL

Read the writeups. Watch the games. They didn't randomly start playing terribly. They're playing terribly because they feel a huge pressure to cleanly beat the kespa underdogs, which makes them choke. Anybody who denies kespa skill is dumb, but believing that they're winning from pure skill and not Gom players choking is just plain idiotic.

Yup, that's pretty much what's happening.
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