EPTBut this hype is just to much. We are in the losers bracket , just look how the winners bracket looks like...
Lets see how the top 10 or so at the end of the tournament look like!
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mh_no_idea
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But this hype is just to much. We are in the losers bracket , just look how the winners bracket looks like... Lets see how the top 10 or so at the end of the tournament look like! | ||
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
Sure, they're in the loser's bracket now but everyone expected them to drop off even the LB. I think the GOM players are nervous and also suffer from lack of scouting. Genius looked rattled after Game 2. Still, mental toughness is part of the game. If they choke because they're playing people they've never played before then they're not championship material. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:51 Ysellian wrote: But not by 10-0. Which is just misleading, especially when most of the victories are coming against GSL players in the losers bracket. it is 10:0 in the last 10 games.. | ||
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Aando
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:51 Ysellian wrote: Which part of "latest stats" did you misunderstand?But not by 10-0. Which is just misleading, especially when most of the victories are coming against GSL players in the losers bracket. It all began the other day when it was 0-3 for that day. Now it's a 0-10 streak. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:39 Holgerius wrote: Lol, you can't keep using this excuse forever.  10 Bo3s in a row, vs players such as DRG and Genius. At some point you just have to give credit to the Kespa guys.I never said they were awful, when they were totally outclassed by some high Code S players like Hero or aLive. Because this also happens with most of the current code A stalemates. But to say after these games, that the Kespa players are insanely good is just bullshit. They are at the level you should expect after nearly 1year of playing SC2 more serious (yes I know you will deny it, but they have played SC2 for much longer than the 6months that everyone talks about). They are on a good way and some will reach the top. But that proven GSL players like Genius and Gumiho completely fail all over the place is shocking to me. They play really bad and then an okay performance as JaeDong showed is enough to beat him. What did JaeDong show? He lost to an 2Voidray 6gate in game1, then took a buildorder win against Genius' dumb greediness and showed a standard, non spectacular mutaling basetrade in game 3, that Genius' should have won, if he just moved his army right into the main (after he killed the 3rd) and left only some stalkers in the natural (a tactical move that should be known to a GSL player imo!). So we have ... game1 : lose to a standard allin game2 : Genius plays dumb greedy/risky and is punished for it, what I would consider as a total fail. game3 : Genius with really bad decision making in a basetrade and therefor losing it, what I would consider a fail too. And most of the Kespa wins go in that manner... Don't get me wrong, it's not that they are playing bad, they play okay, but nothing to freak out about. The problem is that GSL players play way below their usual level... | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51601 Posts
bottom line good RTS players are good no matter what they play. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:52 legaton wrote: Reminder the best SC2 observer in the world and one of the most starcraft-knowledgeable persons in the scene already accepted that the elephants are here to stay. Reminder he sees absolutely everything, including stuff most of the caster miss. Therefore, he just knows how good Kespa players already are. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Jvct8.png) to be fair, his tweet says "today" man haha | ||
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BlindKill
Australia1508 Posts
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Looms
United States4624 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:48 ThePlayer33 wrote: guys.. this is the losers' bracket...... look in the winners' true, but top 10 is what really matters for this tournament, since that gives you a spot for the WCS Asia Final. the winner of the Korean qualifier does get a direct seed into the WCS Grand Final though. | ||
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:52 legaton wrote: Reminder the best SC2 observer in the world and one of the most starcraft-knowledgeable persons in the scene already accepted that the elephants are here to stay. Reminder he sees absolutely everything, including stuff most of the caster miss. Therefore, he just knows how good Kespa players already are. This. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:52 Shock710 wrote: So does gumihos win in the GSTL finals not count because the slayers players werent playing as "good as they could have been"...wtf a win is a win Oh, it literally counts. It just doesn't when you discuss it outside of results. That's what I got anyway. (Not meant to be so attacking to the original poster, just a pet peeve of mine) | ||
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carlfish
Australia57 Posts
Lady Bracknell: To lose one parent, Mr Worthing, may be regarded as a misfortunate. To lose both looks like carelessness. — Oscar Wilde, The Importance of Being Earnest I'm not sure what Lady Bracknell would have said about losing ten, but I think she might start wondering if the "they just had an uncharacteristic bad game" excuse might be wearing a little thin. The KeSPA players were more focused, yes. They had more to win and less to lose, yes. They were already in the losers bracket, yes. But they also had the ability to turn those minor edges into a series victories that only the most fervent KeSPA booster would have dared predict. You can't blame that all on some total freak of form on the day that somehow crippled all the GOM players at once. | ||
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Herry
England681 Posts
Maybe its bad play? but bad play has to be punished by good play in order for it to matter. Maybe its bad luck? not this many times in a row its not. Maybe its just the fact that BW pros have insane multitasking abilities, decision making and strategic knowledge. for SO long i have watched SC2 players make stupid moves, be lazy with their micro and army movements, and not use the whole map or range of strategies. They just want to macro an army and attack and win. Kespa players are running rings around them creating so many engagements keeping their opponents from ever getting to that stage of comfort, its awesome play that i have been waiting for sc2 players to do but they never did. (maybe except a few people but didnt have the focus or mechanics to back it up) The only thing I am worried about is if a Kespa player does end up going to WCS, they will underestimate the strength of foreign players and not understand their playstyles. Even then i think by that stage these guys will all be Code S level or beyond if they keep improving this fast. | ||
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zawk9
United States427 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:50 Avidkeystamper wrote: I don't think there are really multiple interpretations to "that win doesn't count" in this case. Yes, I also did not mean the win LITERALLY did not count; I understand that it will be recorded as Effort's win in Liquipedia instead of a null match, in case there was any confusion (which there wasn't). On this note I really don't see why nerves being a factor mean the win wouldn't count. Nerves are going to come up in competition and its something competitors have to deal with. Its an important skill and as such not really separable from the game in a clean way. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:52 mh_no_idea wrote: lol i dont even care for gom or kespa, i just want to see good games and i am fine. But this hype is just to much. We are in the losers bracket , just look how the winners bracket looks like... Lets see how the top 10 or so at the end of the tournament look like! With the Brackets now, the max Kespa can get is 4. But the likely scenario is that they will get 2/3. | ||
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ffrozenfish
820 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:52 legaton wrote: Reminder the best SC2 observer in the world and one of the most starcraft-knowledgeable persons in the scene already accepted that the elephants are here to stay. Reminder he sees absolutely everything, including stuff most of the caster miss. Therefore, he just knows how good Kespa players already are. its easier to type kespa > gsl than writing everyones name | ||
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Wintex
Norway16849 Posts
On August 16 2012 21:52 Shock710 wrote: So does gumihos win in the GSTL finals not count because the slayers players werent playing as "good as they could have been"...wtf a win is a win It does count. Every match counts. It's saddening to watch people not live up to what they usually do. Especially when BW fans just now started to watch sc2. They see this strong showings and will feel like the older champions didn't matter 'cause they all suck. And in reality, they just don't feel comfortable yet. That's how it seems. | ||
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