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On August 16 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:34 Chessz wrote:On August 16 2012 02:27 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:26 Le BucheRON wrote:On August 16 2012 02:23 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:21 Le BucheRON wrote:On August 16 2012 02:17 Sc2Null wrote:On August 16 2012 02:13 Chunhyang wrote:On August 16 2012 02:08 shabby wrote:On August 16 2012 02:03 sc2holar wrote:
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This is starcraft 2 and as far as i know, you cant rape people in it. Remember when "when cheese failed" used the R word in the first NASL season and the president of NASL had to publicly apologize or something like that?
its an offensive and distasteful word. If you kill someone in game, then you can obviously point out that you did it. but you cant make the same argument for rape.
Its about manners and common sense, not emotions. It is emotions, because you are immediately using the definition of forcefully having sex with someone, while rape can mean everything from abuse to violate and plunder etc. You can rape someones base in SC2 for instance. It is not an offensive and distasteful word, that is your opinion. A word is a word, and its context is what could be deemed offensive, not the words themselves, which only job is to describe something. You are making a case for that rape is a more offensive word than others, and that is based on your experiences and emotions with the word, and your associations with it. Well, he does have a point though. 'Rape'. Some words have connotations that come with them, sometimes even regardless of the context they are used in. It's not always completely in the mind of the listener. However, I do think 'rape' in this context though [gaming/competition] is ok. Usage and all. Custom. It's tolerable. The guy is obviously trolling..If someone wants to say 'rape' or 'butt molested', thats his/her choice..You asking will only make them say it more. Yes, but someday someone they love will be affected in this way and they'll be the ones that prefer others not to use this slang/terminology. Just grow up and use a better word that doesn't involve imagery of someone forcibly violating someone. Did you know rape can refer to molestation in a completely non-personal sense? For example, the French imperialists raped the Haitian natural resources. Unless you think the French literally started fucking the dirt, you'e going to need to adopt a wider view of what words mean. Yes, and rape is also another word for canola (where the oil comes from) but come on. We all know the connection here. I'm not going around calling people "faggot" and excusing myself because it has different meanings (cigarette, pile of wood). I'm pretty sure when I use the word "rape" to describe utterly dominating and crushing someone in the context of competition, I'm not referring to them actually having held down the opposing player and fucked them. Yea i'm sure that's the connotation you're applying to the word, but you actually undermine your own argument because in usage/linguistics debates, an appeal to context goes both ways (ie. sensitive to both sender and receiver of a message). So there isn't any reason to not avoid potential harm on behalf of the receivers of your message. It's not the horrible terrible faux pas some make it out to be, but you can't argue for your own use by asserting only your denotation applies. Cause it will always go both ways. It just boils down to lazy/juvenile diction if anything. Well aware of that. I understand why people might be offended by the use of a touchy word. I think that's their error, though.
See, this is what I don't get. Why should you use a touchy word which you could easily avoid? Its so much easier to avoid those words and not harm someone. Even if you feel its somewhat irrational of them, why not just make a minimum effort to be kind to your fellow man?
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On August 16 2012 02:37 Talin wrote:
The not getting touched into defending a 4 Gate strategy has paid off.
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Sacrifice units into GG, nice build.
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ffs can we stop discussing the word rape -.-
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On August 16 2012 02:38 Fusilero wrote:
Entombed is such a funky map, it induces so many all ins I swear the rate of all in and cheeses on this map is so much higher than other maps (Especially the ZvP meta of zerg 6 pools into victory on entombed).
I don't really get why, at least from the Protoss point of view it's a pretty safe map to get up to 3 bases on, weird choice
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
If JYP loses it's because naniwa touched him for 10 seconds and caused him to go on full tilt.
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damn i want some good games between these two :/
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On August 16 2012 02:36 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:31 sAsImre wrote:On August 16 2012 02:29 ragz_gt wrote:On August 16 2012 02:28 sAsImre wrote:On August 16 2012 02:27 ragz_gt wrote:On August 16 2012 02:22 Heavenlee wrote:On August 16 2012 02:21 ragz_gt wrote:On August 16 2012 02:18 sAsImre wrote:On August 16 2012 02:17 Fjodorov wrote:
Lucifrons plan was to mass ghosts, snipe the observer and kill JYP with his invisible army? Im not kidding, that seemed to be the plan. Ghosts are really tanky and have a good dps against zealots, moreover emp is pretty good and they don't take additionnal damage from Stalker. In a perfect world all your bio units would be ghosts late game. They also have negative DPS (well, not negative, but 1/3 of unstimmed 1/5 of stimmed marine per supply when 3/3). They're also much more tanky and EMP can drain up to like half the HP/shields of units in the first place, and they have cloaking. Plus marines versus 3/3 zealots with guardian shield are good but not so good. The thing is you end up with a Roach counters muta sort of problem. Cheap unit with higher DPS can just inflict alot of damage while ignores army. what? In which world 5range marines ignore colossi? At one time you've to 200/200 the P if you let the game reached that point. HIGHER dps. you can't call marine higher DPS than colossi. i don't understand your point at all. Do you try to argue that P has something which his better against mass ghost than against MM? Or that the P can avoid the ghosts and don't fight? Yes. If Terran army is pure ghost P can literally just wrap in zealot all other the place and go for infrastructure. Because P don't need to worry about dealing with Terran standing army, as a pure ghost army is not really a threat against P base. Against a MM army, P can't lose fall behind on army supply or risk getting overrun.
They can do the same against MMM, but vikings are pretty good against warp prism i heard. The T can nuke too so the harass is quite good and you can just force a fight on most maps. A P army will be slower due to HTs and PF/bunkers are pretty good against zealots warp ins anyway.
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On August 16 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:34 Chessz wrote:On August 16 2012 02:27 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:26 Le BucheRON wrote:On August 16 2012 02:23 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:21 Le BucheRON wrote:On August 16 2012 02:17 Sc2Null wrote:On August 16 2012 02:13 Chunhyang wrote:On August 16 2012 02:08 shabby wrote:On August 16 2012 02:03 sc2holar wrote:
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This is starcraft 2 and as far as i know, you cant rape people in it. Remember when "when cheese failed" used the R word in the first NASL season and the president of NASL had to publicly apologize or something like that?
its an offensive and distasteful word. If you kill someone in game, then you can obviously point out that you did it. but you cant make the same argument for rape.
Its about manners and common sense, not emotions. It is emotions, because you are immediately using the definition of forcefully having sex with someone, while rape can mean everything from abuse to violate and plunder etc. You can rape someones base in SC2 for instance. It is not an offensive and distasteful word, that is your opinion. A word is a word, and its context is what could be deemed offensive, not the words themselves, which only job is to describe something. You are making a case for that rape is a more offensive word than others, and that is based on your experiences and emotions with the word, and your associations with it. Well, he does have a point though. 'Rape'. Some words have connotations that come with them, sometimes even regardless of the context they are used in. It's not always completely in the mind of the listener. However, I do think 'rape' in this context though [gaming/competition] is ok. Usage and all. Custom. It's tolerable. The guy is obviously trolling..If someone wants to say 'rape' or 'butt molested', thats his/her choice..You asking will only make them say it more. Yes, but someday someone they love will be affected in this way and they'll be the ones that prefer others not to use this slang/terminology. Just grow up and use a better word that doesn't involve imagery of someone forcibly violating someone. Did you know rape can refer to molestation in a completely non-personal sense? For example, the French imperialists raped the Haitian natural resources. Unless you think the French literally started fucking the dirt, you'e going to need to adopt a wider view of what words mean. Yes, and rape is also another word for canola (where the oil comes from) but come on. We all know the connection here. I'm not going around calling people "faggot" and excusing myself because it has different meanings (cigarette, pile of wood). I'm pretty sure when I use the word "rape" to describe utterly dominating and crushing someone in the context of competition, I'm not referring to them actually having held down the opposing player and fucked them. Yea i'm sure that's the connotation you're applying to the word, but you actually undermine your own argument because in usage/linguistics debates, an appeal to context goes both ways (ie. sensitive to both sender and receiver of a message). So there isn't any reason to not avoid potential harm on behalf of the receivers of your message. It's not the horrible terrible faux pas some make it out to be, but you can't argue for your own use by asserting only your denotation applies. Cause it will always go both ways. It just boils down to lazy/juvenile diction if anything. Well aware of that. I understand why people might be offended by the use of a touchy word. I think that's their error, though.
O Yea that's entirely reasonable, stumbling upon potential PTSD triggers in a starcraft thread, what an error. How embarrassing!
I'll take my leave, just don't get your jimmies all rustled like Destiny if someone calls you lazy or immature or juvenile as a result.
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zzzz casters just aren't into it... feels like watching golf.
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On August 16 2012 02:32 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:29 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:28 bo1b wrote:On August 16 2012 02:26 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:25 Jacobs Ladder wrote:On August 16 2012 02:21 Bam Lee wrote:On August 16 2012 02:17 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 16 2012 02:15 Jacobs Ladder wrote:On August 16 2012 02:03 sc2holar wrote:On August 16 2012 01:59 shabby wrote:
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You do know there are games where you rape, right? It is not different, just your opinion of it is, and we should not alter our langauge because you cannot control your emotions. This is starcraft 2 and as far as i know, you cant rape people in it. Remember when "when cheese failed" used the R word in the first NASL season and the president of NASL had to publicly apologize or something like that? its an offensive and distasteful word. If you kill someone in game, then you can obviously point out that you did it. but you cant make the same argument for rape. Its about manners and common sense, not emotions. Jesus, this has nothing to do with manners even. Its about being a decent human being. Rape isn't something to joke about, its horrific and it scars people for life. Its one of the worst things that can happen to someone. I have a close friend who was raped, she only recently started dealing with it. It has a daily negative effect on her. I won't say much more because, honestly, it makes me incredibly angry. Don't use that word, not because you should be PC, not because people tell you not to, but rather because it can invoke the worst thing that has ever happened to a person. . My father died recently, so the word death is naturally potentially upsetting for me, or phrases like 'wow you nearly gave me a heart attack', should people stop saying things on the off-chance that it can upset or offend? was just about to write something similar. Seriously your reasoning behind not using the word is kinda stupid. If you cant tolerate a simple word in a forum then better stop reading in any forum. Nobody is joking about rape btw This communities shitty attitude towards minorities is actually (part of) why I've pretty much stepped out of it. I straight up refused to host Destiny when he came to Texas. I went from organizing tournaments to almost 0 involvment. I'm nursing a hangover and thought I'd watch IEM, alas, that seems to be a mistake. Rofl. Sorry, this is incredibly petty and probably more toxic than Destiny's "attitude toward minorities" which, if you've actually watched his explanation, doesn't even exist. People believe that by ignoring something it goes away. Me not saying elephant or rape doesn't remove silly articles or people getting raped. True that. In fact, creating a bubble to live in to avoid facing things that (apparently) cause emotional trauma is not conducive to mental health. Best way to deal with anxiety or fear or emotional baggage is to confront it, not ask everyone to never speak about anything that might possibly remind you of it. Indeed, the very attitude that an ex-girlfriend of mine had, herself a rape victim. The 'offending' post was pretty innocuous and blown way out of proportion, as opposed to the post of 'oh Targa is fat and a trash player' (paraphrased) that I saw earlier. That's a clear attempt to insult an actual person, and if it wasn't a bannable offence, it should have been
Player bashing is a bannable offence (up to one month temp ban)
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On August 16 2012 02:38 Jacobs Ladder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:34 Chessz wrote:On August 16 2012 02:27 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:26 Le BucheRON wrote:On August 16 2012 02:23 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:21 Le BucheRON wrote:On August 16 2012 02:17 Sc2Null wrote:On August 16 2012 02:13 Chunhyang wrote:On August 16 2012 02:08 shabby wrote:
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It is emotions, because you are immediately using the definition of forcefully having sex with someone, while rape can mean everything from abuse to violate and plunder etc. You can rape someones base in SC2 for instance. It is not an offensive and distasteful word, that is your opinion. A word is a word, and its context is what could be deemed offensive, not the words themselves, which only job is to describe something. You are making a case for that rape is a more offensive word than others, and that is based on your experiences and emotions with the word, and your associations with it. Well, he does have a point though. 'Rape'. Some words have connotations that come with them, sometimes even regardless of the context they are used in. It's not always completely in the mind of the listener. However, I do think 'rape' in this context though [gaming/competition] is ok. Usage and all. Custom. It's tolerable. The guy is obviously trolling..If someone wants to say 'rape' or 'butt molested', thats his/her choice..You asking will only make them say it more. Yes, but someday someone they love will be affected in this way and they'll be the ones that prefer others not to use this slang/terminology. Just grow up and use a better word that doesn't involve imagery of someone forcibly violating someone. Did you know rape can refer to molestation in a completely non-personal sense? For example, the French imperialists raped the Haitian natural resources. Unless you think the French literally started fucking the dirt, you'e going to need to adopt a wider view of what words mean. Yes, and rape is also another word for canola (where the oil comes from) but come on. We all know the connection here. I'm not going around calling people "faggot" and excusing myself because it has different meanings (cigarette, pile of wood). I'm pretty sure when I use the word "rape" to describe utterly dominating and crushing someone in the context of competition, I'm not referring to them actually having held down the opposing player and fucked them. Yea i'm sure that's the connotation you're applying to the word, but you actually undermine your own argument because in usage/linguistics debates, an appeal to context goes both ways (ie. sensitive to both sender and receiver of a message). So there isn't any reason to not avoid potential harm on behalf of the receivers of your message. It's not the horrible terrible faux pas some make it out to be, but you can't argue for your own use by asserting only your denotation applies. Cause it will always go both ways. It just boils down to lazy/juvenile diction if anything. Well aware of that. I understand why people might be offended by the use of a touchy word. I think that's their error, though. See, this is what I don't get. Why should you use a touchy word which you could easily avoid? Its so much easier to avoid those words and not harm someone. Even if you feel its somewhat irrational of them, why not just make a minimum effort to be kind to your fellow man?
Because it's a retarded argument to try to change people habits on language because you just want to.
See what i did there ?
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On August 16 2012 02:38 Jacobs Ladder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:34 Chessz wrote:On August 16 2012 02:27 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:26 Le BucheRON wrote:On August 16 2012 02:23 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:21 Le BucheRON wrote:On August 16 2012 02:17 Sc2Null wrote:On August 16 2012 02:13 Chunhyang wrote:On August 16 2012 02:08 shabby wrote:
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It is emotions, because you are immediately using the definition of forcefully having sex with someone, while rape can mean everything from abuse to violate and plunder etc. You can rape someones base in SC2 for instance. It is not an offensive and distasteful word, that is your opinion. A word is a word, and its context is what could be deemed offensive, not the words themselves, which only job is to describe something. You are making a case for that rape is a more offensive word than others, and that is based on your experiences and emotions with the word, and your associations with it. Well, he does have a point though. 'Rape'. Some words have connotations that come with them, sometimes even regardless of the context they are used in. It's not always completely in the mind of the listener. However, I do think 'rape' in this context though [gaming/competition] is ok. Usage and all. Custom. It's tolerable. The guy is obviously trolling..If someone wants to say 'rape' or 'butt molested', thats his/her choice..You asking will only make them say it more. Yes, but someday someone they love will be affected in this way and they'll be the ones that prefer others not to use this slang/terminology. Just grow up and use a better word that doesn't involve imagery of someone forcibly violating someone. Did you know rape can refer to molestation in a completely non-personal sense? For example, the French imperialists raped the Haitian natural resources. Unless you think the French literally started fucking the dirt, you'e going to need to adopt a wider view of what words mean. Yes, and rape is also another word for canola (where the oil comes from) but come on. We all know the connection here. I'm not going around calling people "faggot" and excusing myself because it has different meanings (cigarette, pile of wood). I'm pretty sure when I use the word "rape" to describe utterly dominating and crushing someone in the context of competition, I'm not referring to them actually having held down the opposing player and fucked them. Yea i'm sure that's the connotation you're applying to the word, but you actually undermine your own argument because in usage/linguistics debates, an appeal to context goes both ways (ie. sensitive to both sender and receiver of a message). So there isn't any reason to not avoid potential harm on behalf of the receivers of your message. It's not the horrible terrible faux pas some make it out to be, but you can't argue for your own use by asserting only your denotation applies. Cause it will always go both ways. It just boils down to lazy/juvenile diction if anything. Well aware of that. I understand why people might be offended by the use of a touchy word. I think that's their error, though. See, this is what I don't get. Why should you use a touchy word which you could easily avoid? Its so much easier to avoid those words and not harm someone. Even if you feel its somewhat irrational of them, why not just make a minimum effort to be kind to your fellow man?
I do tend to use other words, mostly because I think rape isn't a very aesthetically pleasing word. What I don't like, however, is this idea that not catering to irrationality gives the community the right to crucify a personality, which is undeniably more malicious and evil than unintentionally offending someone could ever be.
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Why do you target the bunker? Wouldn't it more directly decrease the dps you receive if you kill the marines outside the bunker? I can understand it if you hope to kill it before repair, but if the SCV's are already there. Is it because the bunker has high target priority?
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On August 16 2012 02:39 Chessz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:34 Chessz wrote:On August 16 2012 02:27 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:26 Le BucheRON wrote:On August 16 2012 02:23 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:21 Le BucheRON wrote:On August 16 2012 02:17 Sc2Null wrote:On August 16 2012 02:13 Chunhyang wrote:On August 16 2012 02:08 shabby wrote:
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It is emotions, because you are immediately using the definition of forcefully having sex with someone, while rape can mean everything from abuse to violate and plunder etc. You can rape someones base in SC2 for instance. It is not an offensive and distasteful word, that is your opinion. A word is a word, and its context is what could be deemed offensive, not the words themselves, which only job is to describe something. You are making a case for that rape is a more offensive word than others, and that is based on your experiences and emotions with the word, and your associations with it. Well, he does have a point though. 'Rape'. Some words have connotations that come with them, sometimes even regardless of the context they are used in. It's not always completely in the mind of the listener. However, I do think 'rape' in this context though [gaming/competition] is ok. Usage and all. Custom. It's tolerable. The guy is obviously trolling..If someone wants to say 'rape' or 'butt molested', thats his/her choice..You asking will only make them say it more. Yes, but someday someone they love will be affected in this way and they'll be the ones that prefer others not to use this slang/terminology. Just grow up and use a better word that doesn't involve imagery of someone forcibly violating someone. Did you know rape can refer to molestation in a completely non-personal sense? For example, the French imperialists raped the Haitian natural resources. Unless you think the French literally started fucking the dirt, you'e going to need to adopt a wider view of what words mean. Yes, and rape is also another word for canola (where the oil comes from) but come on. We all know the connection here. I'm not going around calling people "faggot" and excusing myself because it has different meanings (cigarette, pile of wood). I'm pretty sure when I use the word "rape" to describe utterly dominating and crushing someone in the context of competition, I'm not referring to them actually having held down the opposing player and fucked them. Yea i'm sure that's the connotation you're applying to the word, but you actually undermine your own argument because in usage/linguistics debates, an appeal to context goes both ways (ie. sensitive to both sender and receiver of a message). So there isn't any reason to not avoid potential harm on behalf of the receivers of your message. It's not the horrible terrible faux pas some make it out to be, but you can't argue for your own use by asserting only your denotation applies. Cause it will always go both ways. It just boils down to lazy/juvenile diction if anything. Well aware of that. I understand why people might be offended by the use of a touchy word. I think that's their error, though. O Yea that's entirely reasonable, stumbling upon potential PTSD triggers in a starcraft thread, what an error. How embarrassing! I'll take my leave, just don't get your jimmies all rustled like Destiny if someone calls you lazy or immature or juvenile as a result.
Feel free to take your leave, or call people with a different attitude to you juvenile. Nobody here has been gratuitously offensive
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
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EGJYPRC is literally all just letters :D
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On August 16 2012 02:38 Jacobs Ladder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:34 Chessz wrote:On August 16 2012 02:27 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:26 Le BucheRON wrote:On August 16 2012 02:23 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:21 Le BucheRON wrote:On August 16 2012 02:17 Sc2Null wrote:On August 16 2012 02:13 Chunhyang wrote:On August 16 2012 02:08 shabby wrote:
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It is emotions, because you are immediately using the definition of forcefully having sex with someone, while rape can mean everything from abuse to violate and plunder etc. You can rape someones base in SC2 for instance. It is not an offensive and distasteful word, that is your opinion. A word is a word, and its context is what could be deemed offensive, not the words themselves, which only job is to describe something. You are making a case for that rape is a more offensive word than others, and that is based on your experiences and emotions with the word, and your associations with it. Well, he does have a point though. 'Rape'. Some words have connotations that come with them, sometimes even regardless of the context they are used in. It's not always completely in the mind of the listener. However, I do think 'rape' in this context though [gaming/competition] is ok. Usage and all. Custom. It's tolerable. The guy is obviously trolling..If someone wants to say 'rape' or 'butt molested', thats his/her choice..You asking will only make them say it more. Yes, but someday someone they love will be affected in this way and they'll be the ones that prefer others not to use this slang/terminology. Just grow up and use a better word that doesn't involve imagery of someone forcibly violating someone. Did you know rape can refer to molestation in a completely non-personal sense? For example, the French imperialists raped the Haitian natural resources. Unless you think the French literally started fucking the dirt, you'e going to need to adopt a wider view of what words mean. Yes, and rape is also another word for canola (where the oil comes from) but come on. We all know the connection here. I'm not going around calling people "faggot" and excusing myself because it has different meanings (cigarette, pile of wood). I'm pretty sure when I use the word "rape" to describe utterly dominating and crushing someone in the context of competition, I'm not referring to them actually having held down the opposing player and fucked them. Yea i'm sure that's the connotation you're applying to the word, but you actually undermine your own argument because in usage/linguistics debates, an appeal to context goes both ways (ie. sensitive to both sender and receiver of a message). So there isn't any reason to not avoid potential harm on behalf of the receivers of your message. It's not the horrible terrible faux pas some make it out to be, but you can't argue for your own use by asserting only your denotation applies. Cause it will always go both ways. It just boils down to lazy/juvenile diction if anything. Well aware of that. I understand why people might be offended by the use of a touchy word. I think that's their error, though. See, this is what I don't get. Why should you use a touchy word which you could easily avoid? Its so much easier to avoid those words and not harm someone. Even if you feel its somewhat irrational of them, why not just make a minimum effort to be kind to your fellow man?
Do you feel it's societies fault that a band aid solution to a problem is better then actually fixing it? Is wishing that people didn't mention rape better then providing support and therapy to people who were raped?
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On August 16 2012 02:40 Jojo131 wrote:
EGJYPRC is literally all just letters :D
every name is just letters lol
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