• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:04
CEST 02:04
KST 09:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror4[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)75Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4) SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup Back to SC2 after 14 years - Protoss CTRL groups?
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Grand Finals Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ]
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 546 Catch the Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble
Brood War
General
Sagi.gg Launcher Released Bot on ladder 20-year-old Valorant player starting StarCraft BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Fantasy returning?
Tourneys
[ASL22] Semifinal B [ASL22] Semifinal A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck? Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9111 users

[Day 1] IEM Cologne 2012 - Open Bracket - Page 182

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 180 181 182 183 184 197 Next
There's no crowd today because Gamescom isn't open to the public until thursday
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
August 15 2012 17:34 GMT
#3621
Ohh man I cant wait to for JYP to rape ForGG so hard, he will probably dieeeeeee
Chessz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States644 Posts
August 15 2012 17:34 GMT
#3622
On August 16 2012 02:27 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:26 Le BucheRON wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:23 Shiori wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:21 Le BucheRON wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:17 Sc2Null wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:13 Chunhyang wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:08 shabby wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:03 sc2holar wrote:
On August 16 2012 01:59 shabby wrote:
On August 16 2012 01:58 sc2holar wrote:
[quote]
More. Because you can basicly "kill/murder/frag someone" in a game. Rape is something completley different and it should never be used in a gaming context because its offensive.


You do know there are games where you rape, right? It is not different, just your opinion of it is, and we should not alter our langauge because you cannot control your emotions.


This is starcraft 2 and as far as i know, you cant rape people in it. Remember when "when cheese failed" used the R word in the first NASL season and the president of NASL had to publicly apologize or something like that?

its an offensive and distasteful word. If you kill someone in game, then you can obviously point out that you did it. but you cant make the same argument for rape.

Its about manners and common sense, not emotions.


It is emotions, because you are immediately using the definition of forcefully having sex with someone, while rape can mean everything from abuse to violate and plunder etc. You can rape someones base in SC2 for instance. It is not an offensive and distasteful word, that is your opinion. A word is a word, and its context is what could be deemed offensive, not the words themselves, which only job is to describe something. You are making a case for that rape is a more offensive word than others, and that is based on your experiences and emotions with the word, and your associations with it.


Well, he does have a point though. 'Rape'. Some words have connotations that come with them, sometimes even regardless of the context they are used in. It's not always completely in the mind of the listener.

However, I do think 'rape' in this context though [gaming/competition] is ok. Usage and all. Custom. It's tolerable.


The guy is obviously trolling..If someone wants to say 'rape' or 'butt molested', thats his/her choice..You asking will only make them say it more.

Yes, but someday someone they love will be affected in this way and they'll be the ones that prefer others not to use this slang/terminology. Just grow up and use a better word that doesn't involve imagery of someone forcibly violating someone.

Did you know rape can refer to molestation in a completely non-personal sense? For example, the French imperialists raped the Haitian natural resources. Unless you think the French literally started fucking the dirt, you'e going to need to adopt a wider view of what words mean.


Yes, and rape is also another word for canola (where the oil comes from) but come on. We all know the connection here. I'm not going around calling people "faggot" and excusing myself because it has different meanings (cigarette, pile of wood).

I'm pretty sure when I use the word "rape" to describe utterly dominating and crushing someone in the context of competition, I'm not referring to them actually having held down the opposing player and fucked them.


Yea i'm sure that's the connotation you're applying to the word, but you actually undermine your own argument because in usage/linguistics debates, an appeal to context goes both ways (ie. sensitive to both sender and receiver of a message). So there isn't any reason to not avoid potential harm on behalf of the receivers of your message. It's not the horrible terrible faux pas some make it out to be, but you can't argue for your own use by asserting only your denotation applies. Cause it will always go both ways. It just boils down to lazy/juvenile diction if anything.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
August 15 2012 17:34 GMT
#3623
This build will never die.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
HotGlueGun
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1409 Posts
August 15 2012 17:34 GMT
#3624
4 Gate. Awwwww yeahhhhhhhh
Don't hoot with the Owls at night if you cant soar with the Eagles at dawn.
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
August 15 2012 17:34 GMT
#3625
can we stop this argument now? I mean do you seriously want to force some people over the internet to adapt to your wishes?
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
August 15 2012 17:35 GMT
#3626
On August 16 2012 02:33 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:26 Shiori wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:25 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:21 Bam Lee wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:17 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:15 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:03 sc2holar wrote:
On August 16 2012 01:59 shabby wrote:
On August 16 2012 01:58 sc2holar wrote:
On August 16 2012 01:56 syllogism wrote:
[quote]
Is it more or less offensive than, say, "killer absolutely murdered him"? Just curious

More. Because you can basicly "kill/murder/frag someone" in a game. Rape is something completley different and it should never be used in a gaming context because its offensive.


You do know there are games where you rape, right? It is not different, just your opinion of it is, and we should not alter our langauge because you cannot control your emotions.


This is starcraft 2 and as far as i know, you cant rape people in it. Remember when "when cheese failed" used the R word in the first NASL season and the president of NASL had to publicly apologize or something like that?

its an offensive and distasteful word. If you kill someone in game, then you can obviously point out that you did it. but you cant make the same argument for rape.

Its about manners and common sense, not emotions.


Jesus, this has nothing to do with manners even. Its about being a decent human being. Rape isn't something to joke about, its horrific and it scars people for life. Its one of the worst things that can happen to someone. I have a close friend who was raped, she only recently started dealing with it. It has a daily negative effect on her. I won't say much more because, honestly, it makes me incredibly angry.

Don't use that word, not because you should be PC, not because people tell you not to, but rather because it can invoke the worst thing that has ever happened to a person.
.
My father died recently, so the word death is naturally potentially upsetting for me, or phrases like 'wow you nearly gave me a heart attack', should people stop saying things on the off-chance that it can upset or offend?


was just about to write something similar. Seriously your reasoning behind not using the word is kinda stupid. If you cant tolerate a simple word in a forum then better stop reading in any forum. Nobody is joking about rape btw
This communities shitty attitude towards minorities is actually (part of) why I've pretty much stepped out of it. I straight up refused to host Destiny when he came to Texas. I went from organizing tournaments to almost 0 involvment. I'm nursing a hangover and thought I'd watch IEM, alas, that seems to be a mistake.

Rofl. Sorry, this is incredibly petty and probably more toxic than Destiny's "attitude toward minorities" which, if you've actually watched his explanation, doesn't even exist.

I don't think its petty at all. I'd rather not use a huge amount of my free time contributing to a community that is this hateful. The number of horrible comments about female friends of mine at the last event I worked confirmed my opinion. My time is better spent elsewhere.

Sorry to hear your friends were personally insulted. That's obviously a bad thing.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
August 15 2012 17:35 GMT
#3627
And JYP loses the game.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12058 Posts
August 15 2012 17:35 GMT
#3628
On August 16 2012 02:32 GumBa wrote:
Wait a minute isnt the host this guy?



It is! :D
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 15 2012 17:35 GMT
#3629
stomped for now.
Zest fanboy.
HotGlueGun
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1409 Posts
August 15 2012 17:35 GMT
#3630
ForGG with the 4rax counter... Fuk
Don't hoot with the Owls at night if you cant soar with the Eagles at dawn.
4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
August 15 2012 17:35 GMT
#3631
fantasy gg timing
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
August 15 2012 17:36 GMT
#3632
On August 16 2012 02:34 Chessz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:27 Shiori wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:26 Le BucheRON wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:23 Shiori wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:21 Le BucheRON wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:17 Sc2Null wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:13 Chunhyang wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:08 shabby wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:03 sc2holar wrote:
On August 16 2012 01:59 shabby wrote:
[quote]

You do know there are games where you rape, right? It is not different, just your opinion of it is, and we should not alter our langauge because you cannot control your emotions.


This is starcraft 2 and as far as i know, you cant rape people in it. Remember when "when cheese failed" used the R word in the first NASL season and the president of NASL had to publicly apologize or something like that?

its an offensive and distasteful word. If you kill someone in game, then you can obviously point out that you did it. but you cant make the same argument for rape.

Its about manners and common sense, not emotions.


It is emotions, because you are immediately using the definition of forcefully having sex with someone, while rape can mean everything from abuse to violate and plunder etc. You can rape someones base in SC2 for instance. It is not an offensive and distasteful word, that is your opinion. A word is a word, and its context is what could be deemed offensive, not the words themselves, which only job is to describe something. You are making a case for that rape is a more offensive word than others, and that is based on your experiences and emotions with the word, and your associations with it.


Well, he does have a point though. 'Rape'. Some words have connotations that come with them, sometimes even regardless of the context they are used in. It's not always completely in the mind of the listener.

However, I do think 'rape' in this context though [gaming/competition] is ok. Usage and all. Custom. It's tolerable.


The guy is obviously trolling..If someone wants to say 'rape' or 'butt molested', thats his/her choice..You asking will only make them say it more.

Yes, but someday someone they love will be affected in this way and they'll be the ones that prefer others not to use this slang/terminology. Just grow up and use a better word that doesn't involve imagery of someone forcibly violating someone.

Did you know rape can refer to molestation in a completely non-personal sense? For example, the French imperialists raped the Haitian natural resources. Unless you think the French literally started fucking the dirt, you'e going to need to adopt a wider view of what words mean.


Yes, and rape is also another word for canola (where the oil comes from) but come on. We all know the connection here. I'm not going around calling people "faggot" and excusing myself because it has different meanings (cigarette, pile of wood).

I'm pretty sure when I use the word "rape" to describe utterly dominating and crushing someone in the context of competition, I'm not referring to them actually having held down the opposing player and fucked them.


Yea i'm sure that's the connotation you're applying to the word, but you actually undermine your own argument because in usage/linguistics debates, an appeal to context goes both ways (ie. sensitive to both sender and receiver of a message). So there isn't any reason to not avoid potential harm on behalf of the receivers of your message. It's not the horrible terrible faux pas some make it out to be, but you can't argue for your own use by asserting only your denotation applies. Cause it will always go both ways. It just boils down to lazy/juvenile diction if anything.

Well aware of that. I understand why people might be offended by the use of a touchy word. I think that's their error, though.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27462 Posts
August 15 2012 17:36 GMT
#3633
On August 16 2012 02:24 Orek wrote:
Truth aside, the fact that this whole offensive language discussion happens itself proves that the word probably should not be used. I think it is OK to use among current gaming community, but if we aim at growing e-sports, maybe not.

Incidentally I'm not sure it's even a good thing if E-sports grows to a comparable size of the biggest current sports. If it does we'll have players and casters surrounded by PR advisors and media blackouts, the personalities that make the scene will get gradually eroded and the link that exists between players and the community will be severed.

Looks like JYP's lost this one anyway
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
TL+ Member
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10166 Posts
August 15 2012 17:36 GMT
#3634
baited
Psyclon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria2443 Posts
August 15 2012 17:36 GMT
#3635
So repair is good.
Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds!
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 15 2012 17:36 GMT
#3636
On August 16 2012 02:31 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:29 ragz_gt wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:28 sAsImre wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:27 ragz_gt wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:22 Heavenlee wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:21 ragz_gt wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:18 sAsImre wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:17 Fjodorov wrote:
Lucifrons plan was to mass ghosts, snipe the observer and kill JYP with his invisible army? Im not kidding, that seemed to be the plan.


Ghosts are really tanky and have a good dps against zealots, moreover emp is pretty good and they don't take additionnal damage from Stalker. In a perfect world all your bio units would be ghosts late game.


They also have negative DPS (well, not negative, but 1/3 of unstimmed 1/5 of stimmed marine per supply when 3/3).


They're also much more tanky and EMP can drain up to like half the HP/shields of units in the first place, and they have cloaking. Plus marines versus 3/3 zealots with guardian shield are good but not so good.


The thing is you end up with a Roach counters muta sort of problem. Cheap unit with higher DPS can just inflict alot of damage while ignores army.


what?
In which world 5range marines ignore colossi? At one time you've to 200/200 the P if you let the game reached that point.


HIGHER dps. you can't call marine higher DPS than colossi.


i don't understand your point at all. Do you try to argue that P has something which his better against mass ghost than against MM? Or that the P can avoid the ghosts and don't fight?


Yes. If Terran army is pure ghost P can literally just wrap in zealot all other the place and go for infrastructure. Because P don't need to worry about dealing with Terran standing army, as a pure ghost army is not really a threat against P base. Against a MM army, P can't lose fall behind on army supply or risk getting overrun.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 15 2012 17:36 GMT
#3637
JYPvT hasn't changed.
Moderator
bbm
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1320 Posts
August 15 2012 17:36 GMT
#3638
jyp, never change!
By.Sun or By.Rain, he always delivers
Bellygareth
Profile Joined October 2010
France512 Posts
August 15 2012 17:36 GMT
#3639
wtf jyp
Shikada
Profile Joined May 2012
Serbia976 Posts
August 15 2012 17:36 GMT
#3640
Wow, that was terrible from JVP.
Prev 1 180 181 182 183 184 197 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Cup
09:00
#102
davetesta29
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nathanias 126
Nina 83
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 1346
GuemChi 998
Artosis 621
910 35
MaD[AoV]20
Bale 14
Dota 2
monkeys_forever45
League of Legends
JimRising 705
Counter-Strike
minikerr14
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox620
Other Games
summit1g8460
Day[9].tv606
shahzam491
C9.Mang0333
Trikslyr42
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick601
BasetradeTV214
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream21
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Letter143
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie886
• Shiphtur679
• Day9tv606
Upcoming Events
Patches Events
15h 56m
The PondCast
1d 9h
INu's Battles
1d 10h
Percival vs SHIN
Zoun vs herO
OSC
1d 22h
Replay Cast
1d 22h
OSC
2 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Patches Events
4 days
BSL Open Qualifier
4 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Open Qualifier
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSB
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
HCC Season 3
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.