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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 15 2012 17:48 GMT
#3701
On August 16 2012 02:47 sc2holar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:45 Dosey wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:41 Orek wrote:
Only 2 choices:

1. Keep those controversial languages, keep this community relatively small and not aiim at growing e-sports much because addition of more people cause more language problems.

2. Try to cater to more people to grow the community like other sports. Just like no country's team is said to have raped or murdered another country's team in olympics, we need to refrain from using some words. Sometimes, it is inconvinient, but we sacrifice it in favor of having bigger e-sports community.

You can't do both. It is our choice.

GRRM can write an explicit rape scene in a book - It's a best seller and no one complains

Someone mentions the word rape on a forum - The entire community is instantly labeled as cancerous and insensitive, preventing the scene from growing

Makes sense.

Comparing fiction and reality makes sense.


I have no words for hypocrisy on that level.
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
August 15 2012 17:48 GMT
#3702
not sure how jyp couldnt kill forgg there >.<
IM & EG supporter
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
August 15 2012 17:48 GMT
#3703
Aw man I thought he had him with that push... Nice hold by ForGG
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 15 2012 17:49 GMT
#3704
On August 16 2012 02:48 Darneck wrote:
Tarson holds!

Well does he have +1?
Glorious SEA doto
Thobrik
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden1120 Posts
August 15 2012 17:49 GMT
#3705
Forgg is really ahead, what are they on about?
"Philosophy is questions that may never be answered, Religion is answers that may never be questioned."
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
August 15 2012 17:49 GMT
#3706
On August 16 2012 02:49 Thobrik wrote:
Forgg is really ahead, what are they on about?


Yea, there's really no reason to have these streams unmuted if pros aren't casting.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 15 2012 17:50 GMT
#3707
On August 16 2012 02:48 AgentChaos wrote:
not sure how jyp couldnt kill forgg there >.<


JYPvT bro :/
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27462 Posts
August 15 2012 17:50 GMT
#3708
On August 16 2012 02:48 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:45 Fjodorov wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:41 Orek wrote:
Only 2 choices:

1. Keep those controversial languages, keep this community relatively small and not aiim at growing e-sports much because addition of more people cause more language problems.

2. Try to cater to more people to grow the community like other sports. Just like no country's team is said to have raped or murdered another country's team in olympics, we need to refrain from using some words. Sometimes, it is inconvinient, but we sacrifice it in favor of having bigger e-sports community.

You can't do both. It is our choice.


If you look up , lets say a football forum, where there are supporters of different teams taking part in threads. i assure you that there will be words in those threads that will make your eyes bleed. Stop acting like e-esports fans are any worse then random supporters of other sports involving mostly younger males.


Yeah this is really the crux of it; you'll never hear 'Man U are absolutely raping Arsenal!' from the commentators but on a forum or in a pub you will hear that and worse.

Football fans are insufferable in general, and that's coming from a big fan of the sport. The more morons follow an activity the less enjoyable it can become for the rest of us, it's why I'd be perfectly happy for E-sports to get a bit bigger, but plateau in popularity at some point
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Chessz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States644 Posts
August 15 2012 17:50 GMT
#3709
On August 16 2012 02:46 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:40 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:38 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:34 Chessz wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:27 Shiori wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:26 Le BucheRON wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:23 Shiori wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:21 Le BucheRON wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:17 Sc2Null wrote:
[quote]

The guy is obviously trolling..If someone wants to say 'rape' or 'butt molested', thats his/her choice..You asking will only make them say it more.

Yes, but someday someone they love will be affected in this way and they'll be the ones that prefer others not to use this slang/terminology. Just grow up and use a better word that doesn't involve imagery of someone forcibly violating someone.

Did you know rape can refer to molestation in a completely non-personal sense? For example, the French imperialists raped the Haitian natural resources. Unless you think the French literally started fucking the dirt, you'e going to need to adopt a wider view of what words mean.


Yes, and rape is also another word for canola (where the oil comes from) but come on. We all know the connection here. I'm not going around calling people "faggot" and excusing myself because it has different meanings (cigarette, pile of wood).

I'm pretty sure when I use the word "rape" to describe utterly dominating and crushing someone in the context of competition, I'm not referring to them actually having held down the opposing player and fucked them.


Yea i'm sure that's the connotation you're applying to the word, but you actually undermine your own argument because in usage/linguistics debates, an appeal to context goes both ways (ie. sensitive to both sender and receiver of a message). So there isn't any reason to not avoid potential harm on behalf of the receivers of your message. It's not the horrible terrible faux pas some make it out to be, but you can't argue for your own use by asserting only your denotation applies. Cause it will always go both ways. It just boils down to lazy/juvenile diction if anything.

Well aware of that. I understand why people might be offended by the use of a touchy word. I think that's their error, though.

See, this is what I don't get. Why should you use a touchy word which you could easily avoid? Its so much easier to avoid those words and not harm someone. Even if you feel its somewhat irrational of them, why not just make a minimum effort to be kind to your fellow man?

Do you feel it's societies fault that a band aid solution to a problem is better then actually fixing it? Is wishing that people didn't mention rape better then providing support and therapy to people who were raped?
Why not both? Why not avoid triggering people as well as providing them help. There's a difference between not flagrantly using the word rape and not addressing rape. Again, my whole philosophy on this issue is just try to be kind to your fellow man.


It's a shame these two things are simultaneously perceived to be trivial: 1) the flagrant use of "rape" 2) the effort needed to choose different words/expand vocabulary
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
August 15 2012 17:51 GMT
#3710
T.T JYP NOOOOO!
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
August 15 2012 17:51 GMT
#3711
man jyp still needs lots of work on his pvt
IM & EG supporter
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
August 15 2012 17:51 GMT
#3712
Dammit,
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
August 15 2012 17:51 GMT
#3713
fuck yeah, ForGG hwaiting!
sOda~
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom441 Posts
August 15 2012 17:51 GMT
#3714
On August 16 2012 02:49 xrapture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:49 Thobrik wrote:
Forgg is really ahead, what are they on about?


Yea, there's really no reason to have these streams unmuted if pros aren't casting.


nice1
IM THE SHIT BITCH
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
August 15 2012 17:51 GMT
#3715
Nice Forgg in the groups
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
August 15 2012 17:51 GMT
#3716
Terrible games, I blame the guy who jinxed the games before they started.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 15 2012 17:51 GMT
#3717
JYP: Why did I lose that?
Puma: Because you touched yourself.
Glorious SEA doto
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 15 2012 17:51 GMT
#3718
JYPvT. Well at least he no longer loses to foreigners/bad TvPer
Zest fanboy.
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
August 15 2012 17:51 GMT
#3719
Forgg untouchable!
I've got moves like Jagger
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
August 15 2012 17:51 GMT
#3720
Making naniwa happy
Terran & Potato Salad.
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