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lol I still can't get over his name... HE PLAYS FOR GGs
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On August 16 2012 02:50 Chessz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:46 Jacobs Ladder wrote:On August 16 2012 02:40 bo1b wrote:On August 16 2012 02:38 Jacobs Ladder wrote:On August 16 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:34 Chessz wrote:On August 16 2012 02:27 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:26 Le BucheRON wrote:On August 16 2012 02:23 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:21 Le BucheRON wrote:
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Yes, but someday someone they love will be affected in this way and they'll be the ones that prefer others not to use this slang/terminology. Just grow up and use a better word that doesn't involve imagery of someone forcibly violating someone. Did you know rape can refer to molestation in a completely non-personal sense? For example, the French imperialists raped the Haitian natural resources. Unless you think the French literally started fucking the dirt, you'e going to need to adopt a wider view of what words mean. Yes, and rape is also another word for canola (where the oil comes from) but come on. We all know the connection here. I'm not going around calling people "faggot" and excusing myself because it has different meanings (cigarette, pile of wood). I'm pretty sure when I use the word "rape" to describe utterly dominating and crushing someone in the context of competition, I'm not referring to them actually having held down the opposing player and fucked them. Yea i'm sure that's the connotation you're applying to the word, but you actually undermine your own argument because in usage/linguistics debates, an appeal to context goes both ways (ie. sensitive to both sender and receiver of a message). So there isn't any reason to not avoid potential harm on behalf of the receivers of your message. It's not the horrible terrible faux pas some make it out to be, but you can't argue for your own use by asserting only your denotation applies. Cause it will always go both ways. It just boils down to lazy/juvenile diction if anything. Well aware of that. I understand why people might be offended by the use of a touchy word. I think that's their error, though. See, this is what I don't get. Why should you use a touchy word which you could easily avoid? Its so much easier to avoid those words and not harm someone. Even if you feel its somewhat irrational of them, why not just make a minimum effort to be kind to your fellow man? Do you feel it's societies fault that a band aid solution to a problem is better then actually fixing it? Is wishing that people didn't mention rape better then providing support and therapy to people who were raped? Why not both? Why not avoid triggering people as well as providing them help. There's a difference between not flagrantly using the word rape and not addressing rape. Again, my whole philosophy on this issue is just try to be kind to your fellow man. It's a shame these two things are simultaneously perceived to be trivial: 1) the flagrant use of "rape" 2) the effort needed to choose different words/expand vocabulary
They are trivial. Of all the injustices in the world, people taking offense from non-malicious use of a sensitive word is probably at the bottom, if even on the list at all.
They're made out to be a far bigger deal than they actually are.
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Someone call the cops! Someone just got raped.
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Any more games today, or finished?
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On August 16 2012 02:48 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:47 bo1b wrote:On August 16 2012 02:46 Jacobs Ladder wrote:On August 16 2012 02:40 bo1b wrote:On August 16 2012 02:38 Jacobs Ladder wrote:On August 16 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:34 Chessz wrote:On August 16 2012 02:27 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:26 Le BucheRON wrote:On August 16 2012 02:23 Shiori wrote:
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Did you know rape can refer to molestation in a completely non-personal sense? For example, the French imperialists raped the Haitian natural resources. Unless you think the French literally started fucking the dirt, you'e going to need to adopt a wider view of what words mean. Yes, and rape is also another word for canola (where the oil comes from) but come on. We all know the connection here. I'm not going around calling people "faggot" and excusing myself because it has different meanings (cigarette, pile of wood). I'm pretty sure when I use the word "rape" to describe utterly dominating and crushing someone in the context of competition, I'm not referring to them actually having held down the opposing player and fucked them. Yea i'm sure that's the connotation you're applying to the word, but you actually undermine your own argument because in usage/linguistics debates, an appeal to context goes both ways (ie. sensitive to both sender and receiver of a message). So there isn't any reason to not avoid potential harm on behalf of the receivers of your message. It's not the horrible terrible faux pas some make it out to be, but you can't argue for your own use by asserting only your denotation applies. Cause it will always go both ways. It just boils down to lazy/juvenile diction if anything. Well aware of that. I understand why people might be offended by the use of a touchy word. I think that's their error, though. See, this is what I don't get. Why should you use a touchy word which you could easily avoid? Its so much easier to avoid those words and not harm someone. Even if you feel its somewhat irrational of them, why not just make a minimum effort to be kind to your fellow man? Do you feel it's societies fault that a band aid solution to a problem is better then actually fixing it? Is wishing that people didn't mention rape better then providing support and therapy to people who were raped? Why not both? Why not avoid triggering people as well as providing them help. There's a difference between not flagrantly using the word rape and not addressing rape. Again, my whole philosophy on this issue is just try to be kind to your fellow man. Because avoiding a word isn't being kind - it's avoiding a word. Conversely censoring people from using a word because it has a completely different meaning to something horrible is not being kind at all. This isn't about avoiding a word. It's about watering-down it's meaning.
It's not about watering down it's meaning at all, it's about using a word with different meanings.
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Yes! Nice by forGG and any loss on EG makes me happy :D
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Who;s the guy casting with Day9?
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Is it as simple as winners from open bracket 1 are placed in Pool group A etc?
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gg wp IEM, till tomorrow! 
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On August 16 2012 02:51 Bashion wrote:
Forgg untouchable!
Pun intended?
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On August 16 2012 02:52 Kamwah wrote:
Someone call the cops! Someone just got raped.
Who got raped? Tell me! Tell me!
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With even diamond level colossus micro JYP would have won this so easily. I guess that's what a 2 hour series vs Lucifron does to you :/
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On August 16 2012 02:51 Bashion wrote:
Forgg untouchable!
icwydt
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On August 16 2012 02:52 Kamwah wrote:
Someone call the cops! Someone just got raped.
you got that wrong, the game wasn't a rape... JYP almost won.
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Aw man  GGs JYP. Still needs some work on that PvT
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On August 16 2012 02:32 ShiroKaisen wrote:
Shit I hope JYP vs fOrGG isn't a walkover.
I BELIEVE IN JYPVT!
....and that ended up being about as much of a walkover as was possible =/
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On August 16 2012 02:46 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:45 Dosey wrote:On August 16 2012 02:41 Orek wrote:
Only 2 choices:
1. Keep those controversial languages, keep this community relatively small and not aiim at growing e-sports much because addition of more people cause more language problems.
2. Try to cater to more people to grow the community like other sports. Just like no country's team is said to have raped or murdered another country's team in olympics, we need to refrain from using some words. Sometimes, it is inconvinient, but we sacrifice it in favor of having bigger e-sports community.
You can't do both. It is our choice. GRRM can write an explicit rape scene in a book - It's a best seller and no one complains Someone mentions the word rape on a forum - The entire community is instantly labeled as cancerous and insensitive, preventing the scene from growing Makes sense. Millenium series had someone getting raped as well. That series of books seemed to be a commercial success.
Did you read the books? the rape scene was used to establish the guy as a "bad guy" in the eyes of the reader. He was put to justice at the end of the 3rd book.
Fiction is fiction. When rape is portrayed in fiction (unless its some kind of perverted twisted porn) its always portrayed as a horrible, highly traumatizing experience.
stop making it sound like these books endorse rape.
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On August 16 2012 02:45 Dosey wrote:
GRRM can write an explicit rape scene in a book - It's a best seller and no one complains. Someone mentions the word rape on a forum - The entire community is instantly labeled as cancerous and insensitive, preventing the scene from growing Makes sense.
GRRM is a professional who has spent decades mastering his craft. You (and whoever posted 'rape') are some dickhead on the internet. There is also a difference between using 'rape' to refer to a 'rape' (as GRRM does & describes) and using 'rape' to refer to a computer game. Yes, there's a difference.
I can't remember who, but sometime after the tosh.0 rape controversy recently, one comedian stated that you can make rape jokes - it just takes a level of tact, humor, intelligence and mastery that nearly all comedians (I'm talking professionals) don't have. The touchier the subject, the harder it is to handle. This applies here. If the poster or caster or whoever mentioned it managed to do so in a top-notch manner, we wouldn't be having this discussion. More likely it was an offhand remark, and can't reasonably be compared with a scene in a book series that someone has literally spent thousands of hours on.
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On August 16 2012 02:52 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:50 Chessz wrote:On August 16 2012 02:46 Jacobs Ladder wrote:On August 16 2012 02:40 bo1b wrote:On August 16 2012 02:38 Jacobs Ladder wrote:On August 16 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:34 Chessz wrote:On August 16 2012 02:27 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:26 Le BucheRON wrote:On August 16 2012 02:23 Shiori wrote:
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Did you know rape can refer to molestation in a completely non-personal sense? For example, the French imperialists raped the Haitian natural resources. Unless you think the French literally started fucking the dirt, you'e going to need to adopt a wider view of what words mean. Yes, and rape is also another word for canola (where the oil comes from) but come on. We all know the connection here. I'm not going around calling people "faggot" and excusing myself because it has different meanings (cigarette, pile of wood). I'm pretty sure when I use the word "rape" to describe utterly dominating and crushing someone in the context of competition, I'm not referring to them actually having held down the opposing player and fucked them. Yea i'm sure that's the connotation you're applying to the word, but you actually undermine your own argument because in usage/linguistics debates, an appeal to context goes both ways (ie. sensitive to both sender and receiver of a message). So there isn't any reason to not avoid potential harm on behalf of the receivers of your message. It's not the horrible terrible faux pas some make it out to be, but you can't argue for your own use by asserting only your denotation applies. Cause it will always go both ways. It just boils down to lazy/juvenile diction if anything. Well aware of that. I understand why people might be offended by the use of a touchy word. I think that's their error, though. See, this is what I don't get. Why should you use a touchy word which you could easily avoid? Its so much easier to avoid those words and not harm someone. Even if you feel its somewhat irrational of them, why not just make a minimum effort to be kind to your fellow man? Do you feel it's societies fault that a band aid solution to a problem is better then actually fixing it? Is wishing that people didn't mention rape better then providing support and therapy to people who were raped? Why not both? Why not avoid triggering people as well as providing them help. There's a difference between not flagrantly using the word rape and not addressing rape. Again, my whole philosophy on this issue is just try to be kind to your fellow man. It's a shame these two things are simultaneously perceived to be trivial: 1) the flagrant use of "rape" 2) the effort needed to choose different words/expand vocabulary They are trivial. Of all the injustices in the world, people taking offense from non-malicious use of a sensitive word is probably at the bottom, if even on the list at all.
But it also takes no effort to avoid. Fixing famine is a huge issue, it requires a lot of effort from a lot of people. Individually avoiding the word "rape" because it can trigger PTSD, flashbacks, and other horrific things for victims takes pretty much zero effort.
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