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KingOfNoodles
Profile Joined June 2012
Australia379 Posts
August 15 2012 17:53 GMT
#3741
its PiG who's casting with Day9. He's an Australian zerg player
Leth0
Profile Joined February 2012
856 Posts
August 15 2012 17:53 GMT
#3742
I don't like how terran can lose so many workers , go down to less than 30, yet his production doesn't get interfered with at all. Due to mules he still has enough income to continually produce off all his barracks. Makes this game so much less interesting to watch when 1 race can just ignore so much economic damage.
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 17:54:07
August 15 2012 17:53 GMT
#3743
On August 16 2012 02:52 MCDayC wrote:
Who;s the guy casting with Day9?
The Australian zerg player PiG
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
August 15 2012 17:53 GMT
#3744
On August 16 2012 02:52 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:51 Bashion wrote:
Forgg untouchable!

Pun intended?

lets not touch on that subject
I've got moves like Jagger
syltz
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden187 Posts
August 15 2012 17:54 GMT
#3745
On August 16 2012 02:52 MCDayC wrote:
Who;s the guy casting with Day9?

PiG, australian gamer that's qualified for groups.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
August 15 2012 17:54 GMT
#3746
Thanks guys ^.^
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
ranjutan
Profile Joined November 2010
United States636 Posts
August 15 2012 17:55 GMT
#3747
On August 16 2012 02:52 MCDayC wrote:
Who;s the guy casting with Day9?

PiG

He's pretty good
http://i53.tinypic.com/1r3j0p.gif
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3399 Posts
August 15 2012 17:55 GMT
#3748
On August 16 2012 02:52 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:48 pmp10 wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:47 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:46 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:40 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:38 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:34 Chessz wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:27 Shiori wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:26 Le BucheRON wrote:
[quote]

Yes, and rape is also another word for canola (where the oil comes from) but come on. We all know the connection here. I'm not going around calling people "faggot" and excusing myself because it has different meanings (cigarette, pile of wood).

I'm pretty sure when I use the word "rape" to describe utterly dominating and crushing someone in the context of competition, I'm not referring to them actually having held down the opposing player and fucked them.


Yea i'm sure that's the connotation you're applying to the word, but you actually undermine your own argument because in usage/linguistics debates, an appeal to context goes both ways (ie. sensitive to both sender and receiver of a message). So there isn't any reason to not avoid potential harm on behalf of the receivers of your message. It's not the horrible terrible faux pas some make it out to be, but you can't argue for your own use by asserting only your denotation applies. Cause it will always go both ways. It just boils down to lazy/juvenile diction if anything.

Well aware of that. I understand why people might be offended by the use of a touchy word. I think that's their error, though.

See, this is what I don't get. Why should you use a touchy word which you could easily avoid? Its so much easier to avoid those words and not harm someone. Even if you feel its somewhat irrational of them, why not just make a minimum effort to be kind to your fellow man?

Do you feel it's societies fault that a band aid solution to a problem is better then actually fixing it? Is wishing that people didn't mention rape better then providing support and therapy to people who were raped?
Why not both? Why not avoid triggering people as well as providing them help. There's a difference between not flagrantly using the word rape and not addressing rape. Again, my whole philosophy on this issue is just try to be kind to your fellow man.

Because avoiding a word isn't being kind - it's avoiding a word. Conversely censoring people from using a word because it has a completely different meaning to something horrible is not being kind at all.

This isn't about avoiding a word.
It's about watering-down it's meaning.

It's not about watering down it's meaning at all, it's about using a word with different meanings.

The word has only one meaning.
The fact that it's accepted in gaming sub-culture as synonym for decisive winning doesn't make that use valid in general English language.

Thobrik
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden1120 Posts
August 15 2012 17:55 GMT
#3749
On August 16 2012 02:53 Bashion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:52 Dosey wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:51 Bashion wrote:
Forgg untouchable!

Pun intended?

lets not touch on that subject


True, ForGG won this game without harassment.
"Philosophy is questions that may never be answered, Religion is answers that may never be questioned."
superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3694 Posts
August 15 2012 17:55 GMT
#3750
lol that was a short interview
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
August 15 2012 17:55 GMT
#3751
Well, that was a decent interview ;D
Chun-li since ST
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
August 15 2012 17:55 GMT
#3752
On August 16 2012 02:53 Bashion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:52 Dosey wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:51 Bashion wrote:
Forgg untouchable!

Pun intended?

lets not touch on that subject


that was a touching plea.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
August 15 2012 17:55 GMT
#3753
That was a nice call by the interviewer!
HotShizz
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
France710 Posts
August 15 2012 17:55 GMT
#3754
On August 16 2012 02:52 mordk wrote:
Yes! Nice by forGG and any loss on EG makes me happy :D


haha! I 100% agree on that one :D
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
August 15 2012 17:55 GMT
#3755
i love this host lol
mxh
Profile Joined August 2012
4 Posts
August 15 2012 17:55 GMT
#3756
On August 16 2012 02:52 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:48 pmp10 wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:47 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:46 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:40 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:38 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:34 Chessz wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:27 Shiori wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:26 Le BucheRON wrote:
[quote]

Yes, and rape is also another word for canola (where the oil comes from) but come on. We all know the connection here. I'm not going around calling people "faggot" and excusing myself because it has different meanings (cigarette, pile of wood).

I'm pretty sure when I use the word "rape" to describe utterly dominating and crushing someone in the context of competition, I'm not referring to them actually having held down the opposing player and fucked them.


Yea i'm sure that's the connotation you're applying to the word, but you actually undermine your own argument because in usage/linguistics debates, an appeal to context goes both ways (ie. sensitive to both sender and receiver of a message). So there isn't any reason to not avoid potential harm on behalf of the receivers of your message. It's not the horrible terrible faux pas some make it out to be, but you can't argue for your own use by asserting only your denotation applies. Cause it will always go both ways. It just boils down to lazy/juvenile diction if anything.

Well aware of that. I understand why people might be offended by the use of a touchy word. I think that's their error, though.

See, this is what I don't get. Why should you use a touchy word which you could easily avoid? Its so much easier to avoid those words and not harm someone. Even if you feel its somewhat irrational of them, why not just make a minimum effort to be kind to your fellow man?

Do you feel it's societies fault that a band aid solution to a problem is better then actually fixing it? Is wishing that people didn't mention rape better then providing support and therapy to people who were raped?
Why not both? Why not avoid triggering people as well as providing them help. There's a difference between not flagrantly using the word rape and not addressing rape. Again, my whole philosophy on this issue is just try to be kind to your fellow man.

Because avoiding a word isn't being kind - it's avoiding a word. Conversely censoring people from using a word because it has a completely different meaning to something horrible is not being kind at all.

This isn't about avoiding a word.
It's about watering-down it's meaning.

It's not about watering down it's meaning at all, it's about using a word with different meanings.

This is pretty close to the definition to diluting the meaning of something.
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
August 15 2012 17:55 GMT
#3757
On August 16 2012 02:55 superjoppe wrote:
lol that was a short interview

Well ForGG asked for that and the interviewer complied, which I think is really fine.
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
August 15 2012 17:55 GMT
#3758
On August 16 2012 02:53 mxh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:45 Dosey wrote:
GRRM can write an explicit rape scene in a book - It's a best seller and no one complains. Someone mentions the word rape on a forum - The entire community is instantly labeled as cancerous and insensitive, preventing the scene from growing Makes sense.

GRRM is a professional who has spent decades mastering his craft. You (and whoever posted 'rape') are some dickhead on the internet. There is also a difference between using 'rape' to refer to a 'rape' (as GRRM does & describes) and using 'rape' to refer to a computer game. Yes, there's a difference.

I can't remember who, but sometime after the tosh.0 rape controversy recently, one comedian stated that you can make rape jokes - it just takes a level of tact, humor, intelligence and mastery that nearly all comedians (I'm talking professionals) don't have. The touchier the subject, the harder it is to handle. This applies here. If the poster or caster or whoever mentioned it managed to do so in a top-notch manner, we wouldn't be having this discussion. More likely it was an offhand remark, and can't reasonably be compared with a scene in a book series that someone has literally spent thousands of hours on.


Dictioanry.com-- entry # 4

rape- an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
August 15 2012 17:55 GMT
#3759
Oh Jarret.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 17:56:08
August 15 2012 17:55 GMT
#3760
On August 16 2012 02:53 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:52 Shiori wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:50 Chessz wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:46 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:40 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:38 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:34 Chessz wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:27 Shiori wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:26 Le BucheRON wrote:
[quote]

Yes, and rape is also another word for canola (where the oil comes from) but come on. We all know the connection here. I'm not going around calling people "faggot" and excusing myself because it has different meanings (cigarette, pile of wood).

I'm pretty sure when I use the word "rape" to describe utterly dominating and crushing someone in the context of competition, I'm not referring to them actually having held down the opposing player and fucked them.


Yea i'm sure that's the connotation you're applying to the word, but you actually undermine your own argument because in usage/linguistics debates, an appeal to context goes both ways (ie. sensitive to both sender and receiver of a message). So there isn't any reason to not avoid potential harm on behalf of the receivers of your message. It's not the horrible terrible faux pas some make it out to be, but you can't argue for your own use by asserting only your denotation applies. Cause it will always go both ways. It just boils down to lazy/juvenile diction if anything.

Well aware of that. I understand why people might be offended by the use of a touchy word. I think that's their error, though.

See, this is what I don't get. Why should you use a touchy word which you could easily avoid? Its so much easier to avoid those words and not harm someone. Even if you feel its somewhat irrational of them, why not just make a minimum effort to be kind to your fellow man?

Do you feel it's societies fault that a band aid solution to a problem is better then actually fixing it? Is wishing that people didn't mention rape better then providing support and therapy to people who were raped?
Why not both? Why not avoid triggering people as well as providing them help. There's a difference between not flagrantly using the word rape and not addressing rape. Again, my whole philosophy on this issue is just try to be kind to your fellow man.


It's a shame these two things are simultaneously perceived to be trivial: 1) the flagrant use of "rape" 2) the effort needed to choose different words/expand vocabulary

They are trivial. Of all the injustices in the world, people taking offense from non-malicious use of a sensitive word is probably at the bottom, if even on the list at all.

But it also takes no effort to avoid. Fixing famine is a huge issue, it requires a lot of effort from a lot of people. Individually avoiding the word "rape" because it can trigger PTSD, flashbacks, and other horrific things for victims takes pretty much zero effort.

It doesn't take zero effort because most of the time it's a habitual or offhand remark. You know what takes zero effort? Not attacking the personality of people who offhandedly use an offensive word and assuming that they actually hate black people or think people who get raped are weaklings, or whatever. That's far more insensitive and malicious, and is exactly what you're doing when you consider people who say these words bad people.

Also
Dictioanry.com-- entry # 4

rape- an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation
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