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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
August 15 2012 17:58 GMT
#3781
On August 16 2012 02:55 mxh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:52 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:48 pmp10 wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:47 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:46 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:40 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:38 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:34 Chessz wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:27 Shiori wrote:
[quote]
I'm pretty sure when I use the word "rape" to describe utterly dominating and crushing someone in the context of competition, I'm not referring to them actually having held down the opposing player and fucked them.


Yea i'm sure that's the connotation you're applying to the word, but you actually undermine your own argument because in usage/linguistics debates, an appeal to context goes both ways (ie. sensitive to both sender and receiver of a message). So there isn't any reason to not avoid potential harm on behalf of the receivers of your message. It's not the horrible terrible faux pas some make it out to be, but you can't argue for your own use by asserting only your denotation applies. Cause it will always go both ways. It just boils down to lazy/juvenile diction if anything.

Well aware of that. I understand why people might be offended by the use of a touchy word. I think that's their error, though.

See, this is what I don't get. Why should you use a touchy word which you could easily avoid? Its so much easier to avoid those words and not harm someone. Even if you feel its somewhat irrational of them, why not just make a minimum effort to be kind to your fellow man?

Do you feel it's societies fault that a band aid solution to a problem is better then actually fixing it? Is wishing that people didn't mention rape better then providing support and therapy to people who were raped?
Why not both? Why not avoid triggering people as well as providing them help. There's a difference between not flagrantly using the word rape and not addressing rape. Again, my whole philosophy on this issue is just try to be kind to your fellow man.

Because avoiding a word isn't being kind - it's avoiding a word. Conversely censoring people from using a word because it has a completely different meaning to something horrible is not being kind at all.

This isn't about avoiding a word.
It's about watering-down it's meaning.

It's not about watering down it's meaning at all, it's about using a word with different meanings.

This is pretty close to the definition to diluting the meaning of something.


There's no such thing as "diluting the meaning of something". There is diluting the connotations associated with a word, which involves using a substitute word (and this is called an euphemism).
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 15 2012 17:58 GMT
#3782
On August 16 2012 02:53 sc2holar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:46 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:45 Dosey wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:41 Orek wrote:
Only 2 choices:

1. Keep those controversial languages, keep this community relatively small and not aiim at growing e-sports much because addition of more people cause more language problems.

2. Try to cater to more people to grow the community like other sports. Just like no country's team is said to have raped or murdered another country's team in olympics, we need to refrain from using some words. Sometimes, it is inconvinient, but we sacrifice it in favor of having bigger e-sports community.

You can't do both. It is our choice.

GRRM can write an explicit rape scene in a book - It's a best seller and no one complains

Someone mentions the word rape on a forum - The entire community is instantly labeled as cancerous and insensitive, preventing the scene from growing

Makes sense.

Millenium series had someone getting raped as well. That series of books seemed to be a commercial success.

Did you read the books? the rape scene was used to establish the guy as a "bad guy" in the eyes of the reader. He was put to justice at the end of the 3rd book.

Fiction is fiction. When rape is portrayed in fiction (unless its some kind of perverted twisted porn) its always portrayed as a horrible, highly traumatizing experience.

Using a rape scene to establish that guy as a bad guy was absolutely irrelevant to why i brought it up. If someone is able to write a graphic rape scene without being persecuted on a forum somewhere because he brought up some horrible memories in someone, then someone on a forum should be able to write down that jyp just got raped by mvp.
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
August 15 2012 17:58 GMT
#3783
On August 16 2012 02:57 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:56 Holgerius wrote:
Will you stop the rape discussion? Jesus christ...

Stop offending Christians.

If we ever want to grow as a mainstream eSport, we're going to have to cut out all this negativity towards mainstream religion.

+ Show Spoiler +
/sarcasm wut
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 15 2012 17:58 GMT
#3784
I feel as if bomber and grubby will be happier in their groups than the other open bracket players.
Glorious SEA doto
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria923 Posts
August 15 2012 17:59 GMT
#3785
On August 16 2012 02:55 Schelim wrote:
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On August 16 2012 02:53 Bashion wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:52 Dosey wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:51 Bashion wrote:
Forgg untouchable!

Pun intended?

lets not touch on that subject


that was a touching plea.


Boy, little was funny about that, but I'm still going to grab a Penn and write it down.
Livin' this life like it was written.
IMABUNNEH
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1062 Posts
August 15 2012 17:59 GMT
#3786
Pig's whole demeanor just looks so depressed now :D
"I think...now? No rival. Me world champion. Yeah. None rival." - oGsMC
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
August 15 2012 17:59 GMT
#3787
On August 16 2012 02:56 Holgerius wrote:
Will you stop the rape discussion? Jesus christ...


Hey man, it has only been going on since page 166. They will surely come to an agreement any time now.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
August 15 2012 17:59 GMT
#3788
Group B was already the hardest group. Dunno how call it now. x)
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
August 15 2012 17:59 GMT
#3789
On August 16 2012 02:53 Leth0 wrote:
I don't like how terran can lose so many workers , go down to less than 30, yet his production doesn't get interfered with at all. Due to mules he still has enough income to continually produce off all his barracks. Makes this game so much less interesting to watch when 1 race can just ignore so much economic damage.


Yeah, and I don't like the way zerg can remake 20 drones in 30 seconds once I fried them with my hellions. Oh wait, actually I kinda like that - races are different and there are different ways to achieve victory. Versus terran the goto strategy is sniping the production. You can get there by killing workers, but it will not be as easy.
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8725 Posts
August 15 2012 17:59 GMT
#3790
Yeah that is a fantastic group for Grubby/Bomber
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10139 Posts
August 15 2012 17:59 GMT
#3791
On August 16 2012 02:56 shawster wrote:
holy shit it's jared from pure pwnage!


i am offended you used the word holy, please stop that juvenile... something.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 15 2012 17:59 GMT
#3792
Group B is the group of death.

Even if Nestea remains in Zergbong mode, Violet still tips it in the death direction.
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Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 18:00:19
August 15 2012 18:00 GMT
#3793
Yeah, I'm not gonna continue with the language discussion now. It's just derailing the thread.
syltz
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden187 Posts
August 15 2012 18:00 GMT
#3794
On August 16 2012 02:55 pmp10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:52 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:48 pmp10 wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:47 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:46 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:40 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:38 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:34 Chessz wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:27 Shiori wrote:
[quote]
I'm pretty sure when I use the word "rape" to describe utterly dominating and crushing someone in the context of competition, I'm not referring to them actually having held down the opposing player and fucked them.


Yea i'm sure that's the connotation you're applying to the word, but you actually undermine your own argument because in usage/linguistics debates, an appeal to context goes both ways (ie. sensitive to both sender and receiver of a message). So there isn't any reason to not avoid potential harm on behalf of the receivers of your message. It's not the horrible terrible faux pas some make it out to be, but you can't argue for your own use by asserting only your denotation applies. Cause it will always go both ways. It just boils down to lazy/juvenile diction if anything.

Well aware of that. I understand why people might be offended by the use of a touchy word. I think that's their error, though.

See, this is what I don't get. Why should you use a touchy word which you could easily avoid? Its so much easier to avoid those words and not harm someone. Even if you feel its somewhat irrational of them, why not just make a minimum effort to be kind to your fellow man?

Do you feel it's societies fault that a band aid solution to a problem is better then actually fixing it? Is wishing that people didn't mention rape better then providing support and therapy to people who were raped?
Why not both? Why not avoid triggering people as well as providing them help. There's a difference between not flagrantly using the word rape and not addressing rape. Again, my whole philosophy on this issue is just try to be kind to your fellow man.

Because avoiding a word isn't being kind - it's avoiding a word. Conversely censoring people from using a word because it has a completely different meaning to something horrible is not being kind at all.

This isn't about avoiding a word.
It's about watering-down it's meaning.

It's not about watering down it's meaning at all, it's about using a word with different meanings.

The word has only one meaning.
The fact that it's accepted in gaming sub-culture as synonym for decisive winning doesn't make that use valid in general English language.


It does not have only one meaning. It's meaning varies depending on the context. E.g. "The vikings raped the lands of the irishmen" does not mean that the vikings literally started fucking the ground on which the irishmen walked.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
August 15 2012 18:00 GMT
#3795
Jarret dropping noob bombs like in the good old days.
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
August 15 2012 18:00 GMT
#3796
On August 16 2012 02:58 Flanq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 02:57 Shiori wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:56 Holgerius wrote:
Will you stop the rape discussion? Jesus christ...

Stop offending Christians.

If we ever want to grow as a mainstream eSport, we're going to have to cut out all this negativity towards mainstream religion.

+ Show Spoiler +
/sarcasm wut

We really should ban Apollo from casting for saying "God Damnit" so much. Taking the lords name in vain is very offensive.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 15 2012 18:00 GMT
#3797
On August 16 2012 02:59 Doublemint wrote:
Yeah that is a fantastic group for Grubby/Bomber

Well grubby won't be happy dealing with elfi in PvP but otherwise he and bomber will be comfy.
And I still think Killer can get out of his group, might lose to MC but he's gone toe to toe with supernova before and can take the other players (As long as he remembers detection against real).
Glorious SEA doto
Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
August 15 2012 18:00 GMT
#3798
group B is just so so hard. group c will be the most close for the second and third place i feel behind bomber.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
August 15 2012 18:00 GMT
#3799
what a way to go out
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Marcus420
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1923 Posts
August 15 2012 18:00 GMT
#3800
i guess its kinda hard to have enthusiasm when theres noone there xD
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