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On August 10 2012 20:48 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 20:43 WArped wrote:On August 10 2012 20:41 Zion9 wrote:This is why I hate the actual game design. While I totally know it was Reality's fault for not checking the tower ramp first, loosing a hude lead just because a single spell is just.....same goes for Fungal. Still I think Reality will never ever will do the same mistake and ofcourse congratz for Puzzle choosing the right tech  He lost the lead because of the mistake of not checking first. He could of dodged really easily if he saw it, Storm is strong but he would have been fine. He didn't have stim then yet so I'm not sure how well he would have dodged. I think he just played too cautious for too long. When he got his Raven he should have just pushed out, leave maybe a bunker and a tank or so in his base, pull SCVs and attack. Would have won him the game there and then. But he waited too long and Puzzle somehow or rather managed to get Storm up.
Did he not have stim? Watching with shit quality so I wasn't sure and I don't know if the casters mentioned it. Anyway, he played pretty well, reacted correctly to what he saw, no expo, double gas, mass stalkers and defended perfectly, your right about the raven, he should have pushed out right away and sent a marine early to siege up the middle then eventually the expansion of Puzzle. He had a pretty small unit count, I don't know how he would have defended that push.
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On August 10 2012 20:53 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 20:52 Elroi wrote:
I never thought the KeSPA players would catch up this fast... In BW the players are always in the B-team at least one year in order to get the fundamentals before going to the a-team. Ehh I wouldn't say Kespa players. So far from what I've seen, only Reality has been able to go toe-to-toe with the GSL players with Roro behind him.
Reality is nothing special in PL this far.
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On August 10 2012 20:52 Elroi wrote:
I never thought the KeSPA players would catch up this fast... In BW the players are always in the B-team at least one year in order to get the fundamentals before going to the a-team.
Why do you feel the need to generalyze like this ?
Reality is the only Kespa player who endured the legit qualifier and also the only one to show code S level games.
His talent is spectacular, and please don't compare it with roro who got seeded and toke 1 single bo3 against an unconsistent Hack.
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On August 10 2012 20:55 WArped wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 20:48 pdd wrote:On August 10 2012 20:43 WArped wrote:On August 10 2012 20:41 Zion9 wrote:This is why I hate the actual game design. While I totally know it was Reality's fault for not checking the tower ramp first, loosing a hude lead just because a single spell is just.....same goes for Fungal. Still I think Reality will never ever will do the same mistake and ofcourse congratz for Puzzle choosing the right tech He lost the lead because of the mistake of not checking first. He could of dodged really easily if he saw it, Storm is strong but he would have been fine. He didn't have stim then yet so I'm not sure how well he would have dodged. I think he just played too cautious for too long. When he got his Raven he should have just pushed out, leave maybe a bunker and a tank or so in his base, pull SCVs and attack. Would have won him the game there and then. But he waited too long and Puzzle somehow or rather managed to get Storm up. Did he not have stim? Watching with shit quality so I wasn't sure and I don't know if the casters mentioned it. Anyway, he played pretty well, reacted correctly to what he saw, no expo, double gas, mass stalkers and defended perfectly, your right about the raven, he should have pushed out right away and sent a marine early to siege up the middle then eventually the expansion of Puzzle. He had a pretty small unit count, I don't know how he would have defended that push.
He didn't, it was like halfway done i think.
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On August 10 2012 20:55 WArped wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 20:48 pdd wrote:On August 10 2012 20:43 WArped wrote:On August 10 2012 20:41 Zion9 wrote:This is why I hate the actual game design. While I totally know it was Reality's fault for not checking the tower ramp first, loosing a hude lead just because a single spell is just.....same goes for Fungal. Still I think Reality will never ever will do the same mistake and ofcourse congratz for Puzzle choosing the right tech He lost the lead because of the mistake of not checking first. He could of dodged really easily if he saw it, Storm is strong but he would have been fine. He didn't have stim then yet so I'm not sure how well he would have dodged. I think he just played too cautious for too long. When he got his Raven he should have just pushed out, leave maybe a bunker and a tank or so in his base, pull SCVs and attack. Would have won him the game there and then. But he waited too long and Puzzle somehow or rather managed to get Storm up. Did he not have stim? Watching with shit quality so I wasn't sure and I don't know if the casters mentioned it. Anyway, he played pretty well, reacted correctly to what he saw, no expo, double gas, mass stalkers and defended perfectly, your right about the raven, he should have pushed out right away and sent a marine early to siege up the middle then eventually the expansion of Puzzle. He had a pretty small unit count, I don't know how he would have defended that push.
He had stim on the way, but it wasn't done yet when the storm hit.
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On August 10 2012 20:55 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 20:53 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 10 2012 20:52 Elroi wrote:
I never thought the KeSPA players would catch up this fast... In BW the players are always in the B-team at least one year in order to get the fundamentals before going to the a-team. Ehh I wouldn't say Kespa players. So far from what I've seen, only Reality has been able to go toe-to-toe with the GSL players with Roro behind him. Reality is nothing special in PL this far.
Which surprises me, but with the nature of PL's Bo1s anything can happen.
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On August 10 2012 20:46 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 20:45 Fjodorov wrote:
Puzzle played so bad there, taking huge emp's on his clumped army, getting templars sniped. Reality microing his heart out but still loses. Puzzle was trying to win a feedback vs snipe war and thats not going to go well. Only thing he did wrong there was perhaps storm would have worked better due to the 6-8 ghosts
Feedback vs Snipe is a pretty even battle. Puzzle lost it because he had 3 Templar vs 6-8 Ghosts.
Reality not staying calm enough in the booth, maybe that's a problem of experience.
I am still impressed by how fast some of the Kespa players catch up with the Gom players.
Reality has some chances in the Loser Bracket, his opponent is the loser of Roro-Leenock, right?
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On August 10 2012 20:54 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 20:51 GolemMadness wrote:On August 10 2012 20:49 LimitSEA wrote:On August 10 2012 20:46 GolemMadness wrote:
Reality played better overall. Just a couple mistakes cost him this series. He paid way too passively early on allowing Puzzle to catch up and almost take a lead economically then donated units in the middle of the map. How in the world is that playing better? He's the most impressive of KeSPA players by a long way, but in no way did he outplay Puzzle that last game. He should have just crushed Puzzle with his first push if he didn't blindly walk up into that storm. How did he play too passively? He had to defend against the blink stalkers, and once he had enough to defend and take his expo, he pushed. He could've pushed out way earlier than that, or moved a few tanks around to push the blink stalkers away. By the time he pushed Puzzle had teched to storm and had his second base up, along with an equal worker count. If Reality pushes after the initial hold with a few siege tanks, Puzzle simply hasn't got enough to hold. Of course this is all speculation, but waiting as long as he did was certainly a mistake.
How was the timing of his push a mistake at all? Puzzle himself said that if he'd seen the high templar in the middle ahead of time he would have just won right there.
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On August 10 2012 20:53 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 20:52 Elroi wrote:
I never thought the KeSPA players would catch up this fast... In BW the players are always in the B-team at least one year in order to get the fundamentals before going to the a-team. Ehh I wouldn't say Kespa players. So far from what I've seen, only Reality has been able to go toe-to-toe with the GSL players with Roro behind him.
Maybe the GSL players are just being humble but from interviews most seem to believe a lot of the KeSPA players are around Code A level. Ladder also shows the players can at least compete with the GSL players.
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RoRo looks a bit like Keen
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On August 10 2012 20:57 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 20:46 mrtomjones wrote:On August 10 2012 20:45 Fjodorov wrote:
Puzzle played so bad there, taking huge emp's on his clumped army, getting templars sniped. Reality microing his heart out but still loses. Puzzle was trying to win a feedback vs snipe war and thats not going to go well. Only thing he did wrong there was perhaps storm would have worked better due to the 6-8 ghosts Feedback vs Snipe is a pretty even battle. Puzzle lost it because he had 3 Templar vs 6-8 Ghosts. Reality not staying calm enough in the booth, maybe that's a problem of experience. I am still impressed by how fast some of the Kespa players catch up with the Gom players. Reality has some chances in the Loser Bracket, his opponent is the loser of Roro-Leenock, right?
His opponent would be the winner of Losers' Bracket R1 which hasn't been played yet.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
oo did someone grab the maps?
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On August 10 2012 20:54 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 20:52 Qikz wrote:
I really can't wait for more Terran pros to explore Mech vs Protoss. Many high masters are using it against Protoss perfectly fine, I really can't understand why more pros are not exploring it. It's just hard to pull off in high level game.
The thing is that mech would never work if it was a regular strategy that everyone has a lot of experience against. People win with it sometimes beacuse the protoss is baffled and a bit thrown off. But oh how i wish it was viable.
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On August 10 2012 20:57 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 20:46 mrtomjones wrote:On August 10 2012 20:45 Fjodorov wrote:
Puzzle played so bad there, taking huge emp's on his clumped army, getting templars sniped. Reality microing his heart out but still loses. Puzzle was trying to win a feedback vs snipe war and thats not going to go well. Only thing he did wrong there was perhaps storm would have worked better due to the 6-8 ghosts Reality has some chances in the Loser Bracket, his opponent is the loser of Roro-Leenock, right?
Not 100% sure but i dont think so.
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On August 10 2012 20:56 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 20:52 Elroi wrote:
I never thought the KeSPA players would catch up this fast... In BW the players are always in the B-team at least one year in order to get the fundamentals before going to the a-team. Why do you feel the need to generalyze like this ? Reality is the only Kespa player who endured the legit qualifier and also the only one to show code S level games. His talent is spectacular, and please don't compare it with roro who got seeded and toke 1 single bo3 against an unconsistent Hack.
Yes, if reality was undefeated in pro league sc2 then we can argue this. He has lost games in pro league which means that there are other great Kespa players that you just have not seen yet.
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On August 10 2012 20:41 Zion9 wrote:This is why I hate the actual game design. While I totally know it was Reality's fault for not checking the tower ramp first, loosing a hude lead just because a single spell is just.....same goes for Fungal. Still I think Reality will never ever will do the same mistake and ofcourse congratz for Puzzle choosing the right tech
-_- I just saw your post. You're whining about all starcraft games. How dare there be any kind of high ground advantage? We should all play on flat maps with no ramps and no elevation.
... one marine ahead if your army or a scan is all it takes.
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On August 10 2012 20:58 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 20:57 Yello wrote:On August 10 2012 20:46 mrtomjones wrote:On August 10 2012 20:45 Fjodorov wrote:
Puzzle played so bad there, taking huge emp's on his clumped army, getting templars sniped. Reality microing his heart out but still loses. Puzzle was trying to win a feedback vs snipe war and thats not going to go well. Only thing he did wrong there was perhaps storm would have worked better due to the 6-8 ghosts Feedback vs Snipe is a pretty even battle. Puzzle lost it because he had 3 Templar vs 6-8 Ghosts. Reality not staying calm enough in the booth, maybe that's a problem of experience. I am still impressed by how fast some of the Kespa players catch up with the Gom players. Reality has some chances in the Loser Bracket, his opponent is the loser of Roro-Leenock, right? His opponent would be the winner of Losers' Bracket R1 which hasn't been played yet.
Oh right, it's already Winner's Round 2. That would be Reality vs the winner of MVP-Happy. Well, that lowers the chances of Realitiy advancing significantly.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 10 2012 20:58 opterown wrote:
oo did someone grab the maps?
nvm thought i missed it haha
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On August 10 2012 20:55 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 20:53 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 10 2012 20:52 Elroi wrote:
I never thought the KeSPA players would catch up this fast... In BW the players are always in the B-team at least one year in order to get the fundamentals before going to the a-team. Ehh I wouldn't say Kespa players. So far from what I've seen, only Reality has been able to go toe-to-toe with the GSL players with Roro behind him. Reality is nothing special in PL this far.
PL is sometimes misleading. Jangbi for instance usually doesn't have a good PL record, but owns up individual leagues. Judging by the fact that Reality made it through two prelims (WCS and WCG), he could be one of those players who perform better in individual leagues.
I won't say Reality is the best KeSPA players, but so far his individual accomplishments IS the best among the KeSPA players.
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