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Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
August 07 2012 23:51 GMT
#1701
On August 08 2012 08:27 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 08:13 justinpal wrote:
I think I'm going to stop talking in LR threads about Kespa players. Some people seem to really have an intense stigma against them doing well after such a short time. I don't know why some spectators are so sensitive to the fact that BW pros are the likely the best RTS players in the world and them switching is not going to take long. It's likely because many people have spent the last 1-2 years saying "LOL, when is BW gonna die?" So their minds seem to hate the idea of the BW players dominating the scene after ignoring it for so long.

Maybe its just the need to be right. I know casters suffer from this, they often get stuck in the prediction game of who is going to win. I can see spectators doing similar things. It's a pretty safe assumption to pick GSL players over the Kespa players. Then, you get a lot of comments made to reinforce these assumptions. Calling players pathetic, their fans pathetic, making random assertions that can't really be checked.

For me, it seems like a pointless argument. I just want to see fantastic games. SoulKey and even Sun to a point have showed some nice games (and of course some silly games). JD had a decent game as well in WCS. I find their progress to be comforting. My biggest fear as a fan is to watch players go through what Bisu is going through right now.


I had issues with people saying they would dominate instantly, and also because "BW is harder."

One guy justified this saying that BW commands the highest APM that any game asks for (citing July was successful because he could click fast), which is simply not true and a bit silly to me.

Track and field games require more apm that BW and are by that logic harder than BW. And I don't see how spaming to run or to send manually your probes to mineral fields/control only X units at a time is different in usefulness. These are just arbitraty constraints.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-07 23:59:30
August 07 2012 23:58 GMT
#1702
On August 08 2012 07:56 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 07:55 s3rp wrote:
On August 08 2012 00:58 Coolness53 wrote:
On August 08 2012 00:57 Grumbels wrote:
If a sizable portion of the KeSPA players had been playing for far longer than three months at least some of them would have been Code S level by now. We know this because Hyun is Code S-ish level now after 9 months of playing, yet even the very best KeSPA pros are probably not Code A level yet. (see Soulkey and By.Sun's recent games)

I think in retrospect people have been making stuff up. I know LastShadow (the most credible of sources *cough*) said something along the lines of "we'll see a metagame shift once the KeSPA players officially switch based on my experiences on ladder" in April or so. Which to me sounds really ridiculous, since none of them are really good yet, even three months later.


Reality - Beating Symbol 2-0 and Heart 2-1. Heart was the only person to take a game off of him during the WCS qualifiers. He was the only KESPA player to make it through the preliminaries without being qualified. Reality seems like he maybe a force to reckon with. Time will only tell if he can play with the other big name Non-KESPA players.


Well considering he was straight up obliterated by YongHwa in WCG Qualifier i'm not so sure about that.

how do you know? even though it was 2-0, we didn't see the games so we don't know about that


I'm pretty sure the games had been shown . At least i remember seeing them on a recorded stream from one of the guys the streams shows pro-league and OSL.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 07 2012 23:59 GMT
#1703
On August 08 2012 08:58 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 07:56 opterown wrote:
On August 08 2012 07:55 s3rp wrote:
On August 08 2012 00:58 Coolness53 wrote:
On August 08 2012 00:57 Grumbels wrote:
If a sizable portion of the KeSPA players had been playing for far longer than three months at least some of them would have been Code S level by now. We know this because Hyun is Code S-ish level now after 9 months of playing, yet even the very best KeSPA pros are probably not Code A level yet. (see Soulkey and By.Sun's recent games)

I think in retrospect people have been making stuff up. I know LastShadow (the most credible of sources *cough*) said something along the lines of "we'll see a metagame shift once the KeSPA players officially switch based on my experiences on ladder" in April or so. Which to me sounds really ridiculous, since none of them are really good yet, even three months later.


Reality - Beating Symbol 2-0 and Heart 2-1. Heart was the only person to take a game off of him during the WCS qualifiers. He was the only KESPA player to make it through the preliminaries without being qualified. Reality seems like he maybe a force to reckon with. Time will only tell if he can play with the other big name Non-KESPA players.


Well considering he was straight up obliterated by YongHwa in WCG Qualifier i'm not so sure about that.

how do you know? even though it was 2-0, we didn't see the games so we don't know about that


I'm pretty sure the games had been shown . At least i remember seeing them somewhere .

nope, i made the LR for those series, nothing was shown that day iirc
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 00:07:32
August 08 2012 00:01 GMT
#1704
On August 08 2012 08:59 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 08:58 s3rp wrote:
On August 08 2012 07:56 opterown wrote:
On August 08 2012 07:55 s3rp wrote:
On August 08 2012 00:58 Coolness53 wrote:
On August 08 2012 00:57 Grumbels wrote:
If a sizable portion of the KeSPA players had been playing for far longer than three months at least some of them would have been Code S level by now. We know this because Hyun is Code S-ish level now after 9 months of playing, yet even the very best KeSPA pros are probably not Code A level yet. (see Soulkey and By.Sun's recent games)

I think in retrospect people have been making stuff up. I know LastShadow (the most credible of sources *cough*) said something along the lines of "we'll see a metagame shift once the KeSPA players officially switch based on my experiences on ladder" in April or so. Which to me sounds really ridiculous, since none of them are really good yet, even three months later.


Reality - Beating Symbol 2-0 and Heart 2-1. Heart was the only person to take a game off of him during the WCS qualifiers. He was the only KESPA player to make it through the preliminaries without being qualified. Reality seems like he maybe a force to reckon with. Time will only tell if he can play with the other big name Non-KESPA players.


Well considering he was straight up obliterated by YongHwa in WCG Qualifier i'm not so sure about that.

how do you know? even though it was 2-0, we didn't see the games so we don't know about that


I'm pretty sure the games had been shown . At least i remember seeing them somewhere .

nope, i made the LR for those series, nothing was shown that day iirc


Yeah looked it up i confused it with Snow vs Parting which was just a gigantic beatdown. Well maybe Reality is genuinly really good but i still think Yugioh will beat him tomorow .
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 00:09:07
August 08 2012 00:08 GMT
#1705
On August 08 2012 08:51 Thurken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 08:27 Medrea wrote:
On August 08 2012 08:13 justinpal wrote:
I think I'm going to stop talking in LR threads about Kespa players. Some people seem to really have an intense stigma against them doing well after such a short time. I don't know why some spectators are so sensitive to the fact that BW pros are the likely the best RTS players in the world and them switching is not going to take long. It's likely because many people have spent the last 1-2 years saying "LOL, when is BW gonna die?" So their minds seem to hate the idea of the BW players dominating the scene after ignoring it for so long.

Maybe its just the need to be right. I know casters suffer from this, they often get stuck in the prediction game of who is going to win. I can see spectators doing similar things. It's a pretty safe assumption to pick GSL players over the Kespa players. Then, you get a lot of comments made to reinforce these assumptions. Calling players pathetic, their fans pathetic, making random assertions that can't really be checked.

For me, it seems like a pointless argument. I just want to see fantastic games. SoulKey and even Sun to a point have showed some nice games (and of course some silly games). JD had a decent game as well in WCS. I find their progress to be comforting. My biggest fear as a fan is to watch players go through what Bisu is going through right now.


I had issues with people saying they would dominate instantly, and also because "BW is harder."

One guy justified this saying that BW commands the highest APM that any game asks for (citing July was successful because he could click fast), which is simply not true and a bit silly to me.

Track and field games require more apm that BW and are by that logic harder than BW. And I don't see how spaming to run or to send manually your probes to mineral fields/control only X units at a time is different in usefulness. These are just arbitraty constraints.


Track and field games require more APM. Wut?

Oh lol, do you mean those video games? Cuz Im totally in the Olympic mindset right now. Some of those video games were just completely APM scalar so I dont really count them. I was thinking more like rhythm games.
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Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
August 08 2012 00:38 GMT
#1706
On August 08 2012 06:46 opterown wrote:
reality vs symbol:



lol symbol so cocky those games, blew up in his face
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 08 2012 06:36 GMT
#1707
imagine gumiho with the old ghosts ;D

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ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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azLaR
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada9 Posts
August 08 2012 09:03 GMT
#1708
I hope it's alright to ask.. are there any free vods out for the soulkey game? I watched the game last night on twitch and I wanted to show my friend. I checked the twitch gomtv link but it won't let me watch the videos unless I pay for a subscription.
NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
August 08 2012 10:34 GMT
#1709
Wow Reality played top notch in those games! =O
This is where we begin. Show your true self, Battosai.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 08 2012 13:28 GMT
#1710
On August 08 2012 18:03 azLaR wrote:
I hope it's alright to ask.. are there any free vods out for the soulkey game? I watched the game last night on twitch and I wanted to show my friend. I checked the twitch gomtv link but it won't let me watch the videos unless I pay for a subscription.

vods'll be out next week (seven days)
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