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On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time
Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions.
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On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions.
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you guys are kind of dumb lol
you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete
now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued
if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become
don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth
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On August 07 2012 22:33 SenorChang wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions. ... you guys are kind of dumb lol you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth
Personally I am impressed with SC-2 skill level of some Kespa pros given the amount of time they played the game. Yet I dont think any Kespa pro is Code A level yet.
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On August 07 2012 22:41 TheMenace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:33 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions. ... you guys are kind of dumb lol you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth Personally I am impressed with SC-2 skill level of some Kespa pros given the amount of time they played the game. Yet I dont think any Kespa pro is Code A level yet.
Its their drive. That's the problem. Most of them don't have it.
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On August 07 2012 22:41 TheMenace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:33 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions. ... you guys are kind of dumb lol you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth Personally I am impressed with SC-2 skill level of some Kespa pros given the amount of time they played the game. Yet I dont think any Kespa pro is Code A level yet.
yea but that's just opinion, can't quantify the skill without seeing them attempt to qualify, which iirc, i read somewhere that they'll be participating in next quals? unsure
sure you can say "but they lose vs code a players", well, so do other code a players
otherwise you're just arbitrarily giving them rankings with no real basis
On August 07 2012 22:44 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:41 TheMenace wrote:On August 07 2012 22:33 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions. ... you guys are kind of dumb lol you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth Personally I am impressed with SC-2 skill level of some Kespa pros given the amount of time they played the game. Yet I dont think any Kespa pro is Code A level yet. Its their drive. That's the problem. Most of them don't have it.
and you base that on what exactly?
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The soulkey games were too good to tarnish it with me asking the elephant question I think. Soulkey could certainly get to the level of top GSL pros but I don't think tonight's elephant match can really give us too much insight into whether Kespa players will dominate the scene in six months. Eh, what the hell actually, I'll throw it up there:
Poll: Given tonight's games what is the state of the elephant in the room?Both players tonight played well, but GSL progaming isn't a farce and will not be dominated by KeSP (35) 64% Alive and well, in six months, the korean SC2 scene will be dominated by Kespa players (20) 36% 55 total votes Your vote: Given tonight's games what is the state of the elephant in the room? (Vote): Alive and well, in six months, the korean SC2 scene will be dominated by Kespa players
(Vote): Both players tonight played well, but GSL progaming isn't a farce and will not be dominated by KeSP
Sorry it's so wordy this time.
Edit: whoops! missed a letter there :/
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Damn it, the one time I'm rooting for you, MVP. The one time.
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On August 07 2012 22:44 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:41 TheMenace wrote:On August 07 2012 22:33 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions. ... you guys are kind of dumb lol you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth Personally I am impressed with SC-2 skill level of some Kespa pros given the amount of time they played the game. Yet I dont think any Kespa pro is Code A level yet. Its their drive. That's the problem. Most of them don't have it.
No, they're still playing BW for Proleague. There is no problem with them.
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On August 07 2012 22:45 SenorChang wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:41 TheMenace wrote:On August 07 2012 22:33 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions. ... you guys are kind of dumb lol you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth Personally I am impressed with SC-2 skill level of some Kespa pros given the amount of time they played the game. Yet I dont think any Kespa pro is Code A level yet. yea but that's just opinion, can't quantify the skill without seeing them attempt to qualify, which iirc, i read somewhere that they'll be participating in next quals? unsure sure you can say "but they lose vs code a players", well, so do other code a players otherwise you're just arbitrarily giving them rankings with no real basis Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:44 Xiphos wrote:On August 07 2012 22:41 TheMenace wrote:On August 07 2012 22:33 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions. ... you guys are kind of dumb lol you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth Personally I am impressed with SC-2 skill level of some Kespa pros given the amount of time they played the game. Yet I dont think any Kespa pro is Code A level yet. Its their drive. That's the problem. Most of them don't have it. and you base that on what exactly?
The game was imposed upon them as Kespa wants a piece of pie in the international scene. How would one feel if he is being forced to change jobs?
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On August 07 2012 22:54 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:45 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:41 TheMenace wrote:On August 07 2012 22:33 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions. ... you guys are kind of dumb lol you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth Personally I am impressed with SC-2 skill level of some Kespa pros given the amount of time they played the game. Yet I dont think any Kespa pro is Code A level yet. yea but that's just opinion, can't quantify the skill without seeing them attempt to qualify, which iirc, i read somewhere that they'll be participating in next quals? unsure sure you can say "but they lose vs code a players", well, so do other code a players otherwise you're just arbitrarily giving them rankings with no real basis On August 07 2012 22:44 Xiphos wrote:On August 07 2012 22:41 TheMenace wrote:On August 07 2012 22:33 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions. ... you guys are kind of dumb lol you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth Personally I am impressed with SC-2 skill level of some Kespa pros given the amount of time they played the game. Yet I dont think any Kespa pro is Code A level yet. Its their drive. That's the problem. Most of them don't have it. and you base that on what exactly? The game was imposed upon them as Kespa wants a piece of pie in the international scene. How would one feel if he is being forced to change jobs?
so you're assuming and don't actually know
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On August 07 2012 22:54 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:45 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:41 TheMenace wrote:On August 07 2012 22:33 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions. ... you guys are kind of dumb lol you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth Personally I am impressed with SC-2 skill level of some Kespa pros given the amount of time they played the game. Yet I dont think any Kespa pro is Code A level yet. yea but that's just opinion, can't quantify the skill without seeing them attempt to qualify, which iirc, i read somewhere that they'll be participating in next quals? unsure sure you can say "but they lose vs code a players", well, so do other code a players otherwise you're just arbitrarily giving them rankings with no real basis On August 07 2012 22:44 Xiphos wrote:On August 07 2012 22:41 TheMenace wrote:On August 07 2012 22:33 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions. ... you guys are kind of dumb lol you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth Personally I am impressed with SC-2 skill level of some Kespa pros given the amount of time they played the game. Yet I dont think any Kespa pro is Code A level yet. Its their drive. That's the problem. Most of them don't have it. and you base that on what exactly? The game was imposed upon them as Kespa wants a piece of pie in the international scene. How would one feel if he is being forced to change jobs?
Thats a good point actually they didnt chose sc2 by themself.
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On August 07 2012 22:45 SenorChang wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:41 TheMenace wrote:On August 07 2012 22:33 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions. ... you guys are kind of dumb lol you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth Personally I am impressed with SC-2 skill level of some Kespa pros given the amount of time they played the game. Yet I dont think any Kespa pro is Code A level yet. yea but that's just opinion, can't quantify the skill without seeing them attempt to qualify, which iirc, i read somewhere that they'll be participating in next quals? unsure sure you can say but they lose vs code a players, well so do other code a players otherwise you're just arbitrarily giving them rankings with no real basis Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:44 Xiphos wrote:On August 07 2012 22:41 TheMenace wrote:On August 07 2012 22:33 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions. ... you guys are kind of dumb lol you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth Personally I am impressed with SC-2 skill level of some Kespa pros given the amount of time they played the game. Yet I dont think any Kespa pro is Code A level yet. Its their drive. That's the problem. Most of them don't have it. and you base that on what exactly?
and you're assuming everyone played since beta/release. I understand I'll come under fire for saying this but remember Fin aka ForGG? He didn't play sc2 from beta. He joined like late in, but immediately showed as you put it "results" and improved "really quickly for the time he's spent" playing this new game. The result at this point in the game where he's been given adequate time to practice is that he didn't shit all over these sc2 pros.
Now again, there are 2 things you are going to respond with.
1: ForGG / Fin wasn't as dominant in BW as the players you are stating. The Flash's, Jaedong's, Bisu's, Soulkey's, etc. etc. are for sure without a doubt "better" players overall in comparison to Fin. Problem is, they also aren't so much better that they can be Code S champions time and time again and shit all over current SC2 pros.
2: "He didn't play SC2 from beta / release". This statement above is retarded. Let me state why. First of all, if you see play from the first 6 months of the game, none of the strategies seen prior are used anymore. In addition, the knowledge of these previous builds also does not affect their current play now. After adjusting to the current metagame, "playing from release" doesn't matter anymore. In case you believe this statement is flawed, let me give you BW viewers an example. Flash did not play BW since beta nor release. In fact he joined in almost 10 years after BW came out. If you aren't mentally retarded, clearly it has not hampered his results / play no?
To sum it up in case you got lost somewhere, hardcore BW fanatics should get off their highhorse and defend these players forever. If they want to switch over to being professional sc2 players, they can't ride on the excuse that they haven't played enough forever. Sponsors don't give a shit about "improving at fast rates" if they never put up results. On the flip side, all the SC2 fanatics need to stop dicking around as well. It's a fact they haven't been playing long enough to grasp all the small details of SC2 that aren't in BW. Likewise, switching to a newgame requires a new mentality, and that will come with time. Respect the pros of the game that pioneered SC2 and stop provoking conversations like this.
TL;DR just watch the games and enjoy the circumstances that each player is playing in.
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On August 07 2012 22:55 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:54 Xiphos wrote:On August 07 2012 22:45 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:41 TheMenace wrote:On August 07 2012 22:33 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions. ... you guys are kind of dumb lol you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth Personally I am impressed with SC-2 skill level of some Kespa pros given the amount of time they played the game. Yet I dont think any Kespa pro is Code A level yet. yea but that's just opinion, can't quantify the skill without seeing them attempt to qualify, which iirc, i read somewhere that they'll be participating in next quals? unsure sure you can say "but they lose vs code a players", well, so do other code a players otherwise you're just arbitrarily giving them rankings with no real basis On August 07 2012 22:44 Xiphos wrote:On August 07 2012 22:41 TheMenace wrote:On August 07 2012 22:33 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions. ... you guys are kind of dumb lol you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth Personally I am impressed with SC-2 skill level of some Kespa pros given the amount of time they played the game. Yet I dont think any Kespa pro is Code A level yet. Its their drive. That's the problem. Most of them don't have it. and you base that on what exactly? The game was imposed upon them as Kespa wants a piece of pie in the international scene. How would one feel if he is being forced to change jobs? Thats a good point actually they didnt chose sc2 by themself.
BW had no sponsors so it couldn't go on, they had the alternative of getting an office job or switching to LoL instead. Noone forced them to play SC2, they aren't slaves getting whipped to play 12 hours a day.
Yes, they are forced to switch jobs due to the sponsor situation and such but it's their own decision to continue playing in SC2.
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Oh yeah, vods are up, i want to see level for myself 
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On August 07 2012 22:54 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:45 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:41 TheMenace wrote:On August 07 2012 22:33 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions. ... you guys are kind of dumb lol you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth Personally I am impressed with SC-2 skill level of some Kespa pros given the amount of time they played the game. Yet I dont think any Kespa pro is Code A level yet. yea but that's just opinion, can't quantify the skill without seeing them attempt to qualify, which iirc, i read somewhere that they'll be participating in next quals? unsure sure you can say "but they lose vs code a players", well, so do other code a players otherwise you're just arbitrarily giving them rankings with no real basis On August 07 2012 22:44 Xiphos wrote:On August 07 2012 22:41 TheMenace wrote:On August 07 2012 22:33 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions. ... you guys are kind of dumb lol you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth Personally I am impressed with SC-2 skill level of some Kespa pros given the amount of time they played the game. Yet I dont think any Kespa pro is Code A level yet. Its their drive. That's the problem. Most of them don't have it. and you base that on what exactly? The game was imposed upon them as Kespa wants a piece of pie in the international scene. How would one feel if he is being forced to change jobs?
While it's true that they were forced however it does have other benefits. The players there were sent to the last Blizzcon and MLG were all very happy at the crowd reaction to them, something usually not seen from the more reserved Korean audience. While love for the game is one factor, another factor is love for the fans, which they would have tasted at Blizzcon/MLG. Sure guys like TBLS, Jangbi and Fantasy are more accustomed to it however Calm, Leta and Soulkey wouldn't be used to massive crowds for them. It's an adrenaline fueled euphoric feeling and I'm certain there is a good amount of Kespa players want to continue playing even if only to be at a foreign tournament to hear the crowd cheers.
Additionally SC2 has provided a second-wind for A LOT of players, namely free who was basically a joke in BW. It's given a lot of the lower-tier Kespa players a chance at becoming good as they're on the same footing as formally superior players. This can be enough to drive some of them
While I do agree that some are just not into it as much as others, namely Bisu who I am loath to say, I'd also disagree that all Kespa players are lacking the drive as well.
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I had a feeling that Polt would win but I put my liquibet on Mvp anyways 
grats to all the players that advanced today and good luck in the next round
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On August 07 2012 22:54 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 22:45 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:41 TheMenace wrote:On August 07 2012 22:33 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions. ... you guys are kind of dumb lol you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth Personally I am impressed with SC-2 skill level of some Kespa pros given the amount of time they played the game. Yet I dont think any Kespa pro is Code A level yet. yea but that's just opinion, can't quantify the skill without seeing them attempt to qualify, which iirc, i read somewhere that they'll be participating in next quals? unsure sure you can say "but they lose vs code a players", well, so do other code a players otherwise you're just arbitrarily giving them rankings with no real basis On August 07 2012 22:44 Xiphos wrote:On August 07 2012 22:41 TheMenace wrote:On August 07 2012 22:33 SenorChang wrote:On August 07 2012 22:27 Fluffboll wrote:On August 07 2012 22:25 ChaosArcher wrote:On August 07 2012 22:17 darkest44 wrote:On August 07 2012 22:07 ChaosArcher wrote:
Some bw Fans try to Hype their players up so desperately.
They havent took a single map yet.
Im pretty sure they will rate this as a disaster for themselves, because they are high level athletes who train really hard.
Dont get me wrong soulkey delivered a Good fight today, but selling this performances as a sign of their superb talent and improvement I'd pathetic. Uh.. pathetic how? How does that not show improvement? He's been playing SC2 for like 2-4 months, and practicing some BW during that as well. It's not impressive that he gives a guy who is probably top 5, if not top 3, terran in the world right now and playing 5-10 times longer, a run for his money and exciting games? Get a grip. So tired of this stupid argument. No one reasonable was saying Kespa players would dominate within 2 months, and just because they don't doesn't make them "terrible" or whatever like some seem to be saying. Gom players are better, as they should be, theres a few Kespa players at high code A maybe even approaching code S level already, it's impressive enough. I'm pretty sure that Soulkey and other of the best kespa players would already dominate 95% of the foreign scene, who have been playing for 2 years. 0 maps. How is that low code s level. Alive isn't even in code s right now. 0 maps man. They improve on a daily basis just like every other player who started the game at that time Just ignore the BW fanatics, let them live in their own delusions. ... you guys are kind of dumb lol you're comparing people who have played since beta/release to people who only had a fraction of the time to learn the game and try to compete now in the first few matches they play against GSL players you feel you can adequately assess them and act as though they have plateaued if anything you should be impressed with the level of play produced given the amount of time put in, and the more they play against the "GSL" players, the better they will become don't have to be a bw fanatic to realise you guys are underplaying their skills and growth Personally I am impressed with SC-2 skill level of some Kespa pros given the amount of time they played the game. Yet I dont think any Kespa pro is Code A level yet. Its their drive. That's the problem. Most of them don't have it. and you base that on what exactly? The game was imposed upon them as Kespa wants a piece of pie in the international scene. How would one feel if he is being forced to change jobs?
When the bread and clothes can be made using machine, artisans and tailors were thought to be obsolete too, but they didn't. The clothing and food industry they work for are big and complex enough to find them a niche and make a career out of it. Pro BW can choose to play BW by themselves, it's just that they know themselves that their careers will lead to nowhere since BW is essentially dead. If a scene/industry is not strong enough to be independent from sole provider(Kespa in this case), that is a bubble waiting to be burst.
Kespa is not for BW only, it oversees 10+ competitive "esports" games in Korea. It has welcomed and cut games before. It has touched the international scene before with LoL, Sudden Attack,.... With all thing happened to BW (no outside interest, losing sponsors, team disbanding), it doesn't take an economist to see the scene is falling apart. It is reasonable for Kespa to stop trying its best to sponsor BW. If there were no SC2, BW will eventually be swallowed by LoL, and other rising games, given their immerse popularity right now.
Esports pro gamers are not so different from entertainers. Your prime will be very short-lived, either by your own talent or industry, and if you don't adapt, you will fall apart. BW players are not gods (pls don't make the bad Flash joke) that can defy the normal law.
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I like the tagline of the elephants versus the poachers. And they're still cute baby elephants at that.
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I'm ok with the fact that most Kespa players have started practicing SC2 less than a year ago and thus are logically less good, but I'm tired of all the BW fanatics claiming that they've only been playing for a "few months" since March-April.
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So you're tired of all the coaches and players lying to the fans and media by saying they have only been seriously playing since the end of the last proleague season?
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