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ancientmariner
Profile Joined November 2011
116 Posts
June 27 2012 22:26 GMT
#121
On June 28 2012 07:14 SeeKeR wrote:
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On June 28 2012 07:12 opterown wrote:
On June 28 2012 07:12 SeeKeR wrote:
On June 28 2012 06:49 opterown wrote:
also just wanted to say, please have some consistency in banners; also the new ones are a tad hard to read.

banners?

ie section headers, 'today's matchup' etc

They're called section headers, not banners.

And I've got BR working on the other ones, they're just not ready yet


I think the "stream" header is looking nice. The "today's matchup" and "results" jump up and down to much and give me a headache and when the colour of the letters turns blue towards the end the are really hard to read, because the black borders become hard to distinguish. Might be just me though. Overall I think the style could be a nice change. It looks cheerful and happy ^.^
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
June 27 2012 22:30 GMT
#122
On June 28 2012 07:26 ancientmariner wrote:
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On June 28 2012 07:14 SeeKeR wrote:
On June 28 2012 07:12 opterown wrote:
On June 28 2012 07:12 SeeKeR wrote:
On June 28 2012 06:49 opterown wrote:
also just wanted to say, please have some consistency in banners; also the new ones are a tad hard to read.

banners?

ie section headers, 'today's matchup' etc

They're called section headers, not banners.

And I've got BR working on the other ones, they're just not ready yet


I think the "stream" header is looking nice. The "today's matchup" and "results" jump up and down to much and give me a headache and when the colour of the letters turns blue towards the end the are really hard to read, because the black borders become hard to distinguish. Might be just me though. Overall I think the style could be a nice change. It looks cheerful and happy ^.^

BR has commented on this himself. Said he thinks the blue is a blue and black bothers him. I'll pass on the msg, thx for the feedback
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Flaele
Profile Joined November 2011
Belgium182 Posts
June 27 2012 22:37 GMT
#123
The only player I consider being favored against Symbol in this group is MC since Squirtle was crushed 3-0 by Stephano, so I'm gonna say :
Symbol > Squirtle
MKP > MC
Symbol > MKP
Squirtle > MC
Squirtle > MKP

Symbol and Squirtle to advance.
.
Brotatolol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1742 Posts
June 27 2012 22:39 GMT
#124
That banner looks awesome ^_^.

Go Marineking and Symbol!
NanowaX
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany190 Posts
June 27 2012 22:39 GMT
#125
i want mkp so bad to advance its not even funny :D gogogogo
SlayerS MMA GOAT | Maru, MKP, MVP, Byun
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 22:45:30
June 27 2012 22:40 GMT
#126
On June 28 2012 06:58 opterown wrote:
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On June 28 2012 06:54 dragonborn wrote:
when mkp wins - 'online qualifier, mlg, etc'

when symbol wins - 'symbol so gosu at preparation'

Thats the truth, isnt it?

winning online qualifiers and mlgs is a good skill to have :D

He is the best player of foreign tournaments/qualifiers, not a surprise at all But when it comes to preparation, MKP just not good at doing it.
ShAdZ_ZX
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 22:49:35
June 27 2012 22:47 GMT
#127
On June 28 2012 07:09 ancientmariner wrote:
I still don't understand what Squirtle was thinking when he picked Symbol for his group. Actually, what were all three of them thinking? Picking anybody but their actual picks would have made their lives easier.

Well, I guess Symbol will win the group and Squirtle has a decent chance to still make it out, as he probably has a decent chance against MKP and I remember his PvP being good enough to be considered the favorite against MC. Who knows, though. The only thing that's for sure is that tomorrows games are going to be awesome.

Edit: I would actually think MKP is the weakest out of the four. Symbol won against him 2-0 in the last group stage and although MKP has great TvP, I think both MC and Squirtle have good chances to win against him (I could see both of them crush him but also lose really badly.). I might be somewhat biased towards Protoss though.


I disagree on a few points there.

MarineKing picking MC was smart. He's got a very good record against MC, plus MC is certainly capable of taking out Symbol (best MU) or Squirtle in a PvP, making it easier for him to advance. You could make an argument that Nestea was a better pick (ZvZ against Symbol, ZvP vs Squirtle) but MKP probably didn't feel as comfortable playing against him.

I don't see how MKP could be considered the weakest of the four. He has very solid track records against everyone in this group. Head to head, I see him slightly favoured against both Toss's and a slight underdog to Symbol.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
June 27 2012 22:49 GMT
#128
Squirtle must advance! Even thought that is just what I feel and hope in my heart, I think he has a good chance too.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
June 27 2012 22:59 GMT
#129
Here's how marineking gets out of the group: Figure out which way Symbol goes, and make sure MC faces him(Actually, it's better for MKP to win either way). MC probably is prepared to kill a symbol, and Marineking is pretty good at ripping protoss face. So MKP should have some poignant all ins for symbol, and some solid TvP. Otherwise, symbol vs the other toss's getting out is completely a toss up in my mind.
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mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
June 27 2012 23:05 GMT
#130
Symbol/MKP, please! I'm a bit tired of seeing protosses, plus I love both MKP and Symbol so easy pick.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
ShAdZ_ZX
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia635 Posts
June 27 2012 23:10 GMT
#131
On June 28 2012 07:59 Bippzy wrote:
Here's how marineking gets out of the group: Figure out which way Symbol goes, and make sure MC faces him(Actually, it's better for MKP to win either way). MC probably is prepared to kill a symbol, and Marineking is pretty good at ripping protoss face. So MKP should have some poignant all ins for symbol, and some solid TvP. Otherwise, symbol vs the other toss's getting out is completely a toss up in my mind.


Best case scenario for MKP is obviously if Squirtle beats Symbol first up, so he can dodge Symbol all together. Then MKP has 2x of his best matchup to move on, in which both games he'd feel confident. In this case, even if he loses to Squirtle, MC gets to play his best MU vs Symbol.

There are a few preferable routes for MKP in this group, but even if he does get to go head to head with Symbol, I still give him a fair chance.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16096 Posts
June 27 2012 23:13 GMT
#132
On June 28 2012 08:10 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 07:59 Bippzy wrote:
Here's how marineking gets out of the group: Figure out which way Symbol goes, and make sure MC faces him(Actually, it's better for MKP to win either way). MC probably is prepared to kill a symbol, and Marineking is pretty good at ripping protoss face. So MKP should have some poignant all ins for symbol, and some solid TvP. Otherwise, symbol vs the other toss's getting out is completely a toss up in my mind.


Best case scenario for MKP is obviously if Squirtle beats Symbol first up, so he can dodge Symbol all together. Then MKP has 2x of his best matchup to move on, in which both games he'd feel confident. In this case, even if he loses to Squirtle, MC gets to play his best MU vs Symbol.

There are a few preferable routes for MKP in this group, but even if he does get to go head to head with Symbol, I still give him a fair chance.


Let's be honest here.

No one has a preferable route to making it out of this group. That's why this is the group of death.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
ashLoo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States202 Posts
June 27 2012 23:15 GMT
#133
Awesome thread banner!

Idk who I want to win

Gogo squirtle, mkp, and mc! LOL~
sneep
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
June 27 2012 23:21 GMT
#134
On June 28 2012 07:09 ancientmariner wrote:
I still don't understand what Squirtle was thinking when he picked Symbol for his group. Actually, what were all three of them thinking? Picking anybody but their actual picks would have made their lives easier.

Well, I guess Symbol will win the group and Squirtle has a decent chance to still make it out, as he probably has a decent chance against MKP and I remember his PvP being good enough to be considered the favorite against MC. Who knows, though. The only thing that's for sure is that tomorrows games are going to be awesome.

Edit: I would actually think MKP is the weakest out of the four. Symbol won against him 2-0 in the last group stage and although MKP has great TvP, I think both MC and Squirtle have good chances to win against him (I could see both of them crush him but also lose really badly.). I might be somewhat biased towards Protoss though.

It's possible that Squirtle chose Symbol to avoid him in the Ro8 while also eliminating some of his larger threats. Very intelligent pick if that was his intention (although it could backfire TERRIBLY). By picking Symbol, he guaranteed this to be a group of death because everyone picked next would try to hard counter everyone else in the group, and they did.

Symbol chose MKP, who he crushed in the previous round. Squirtle on the other hand is VERY weak against Terran cheese so MKP was the ideal choice. MKP then chose MC, who is arguably one of the best PvZers in the world with his insanely strong timings. He is also a wild card PvP because he is such an unpredictable (and strong) player in that matchup. While on the TvP side, MKP holds the upper hand historically vs MC.

Each pick makes complete sense if you think about it.
power-overwhelming
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada306 Posts
June 27 2012 23:29 GMT
#135
Thats how all group of deaths are made though. Theres always that first pick who thinks it'd be a smart move to pick someone strong for whatever reason. The person picked first will then want to secure himself vs someone he is confident against and who's favoured against the person who picked him. The second person picked will do the same for the last pick since MKP think's he's favoured against MC but knows that MC is favoured against Symbol.

So everyone is just trying to hard counter each other. Too bad these people picking messed up somewhere. The bosstoss will advance first and both squirtle and mkp gets sent to code A.
ShAdZ_ZX
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia635 Posts
June 27 2012 23:33 GMT
#136
On June 28 2012 08:13 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 08:10 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
On June 28 2012 07:59 Bippzy wrote:
Here's how marineking gets out of the group: Figure out which way Symbol goes, and make sure MC faces him(Actually, it's better for MKP to win either way). MC probably is prepared to kill a symbol, and Marineking is pretty good at ripping protoss face. So MKP should have some poignant all ins for symbol, and some solid TvP. Otherwise, symbol vs the other toss's getting out is completely a toss up in my mind.


Best case scenario for MKP is obviously if Squirtle beats Symbol first up, so he can dodge Symbol all together. Then MKP has 2x of his best matchup to move on, in which both games he'd feel confident. In this case, even if he loses to Squirtle, MC gets to play his best MU vs Symbol.

There are a few preferable routes for MKP in this group, but even if he does get to go head to head with Symbol, I still give him a fair chance.


Let's be honest here.

No one has a preferable route to making it out of this group. That's why this is the group of death.


There are preferred routes, its just a shitfest either way
Kharnage
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia920 Posts
June 27 2012 23:36 GMT
#137
Noooo idea who is getting out of this, so umm, GO MC!!!!
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
June 27 2012 23:47 GMT
#138
On June 28 2012 08:29 power-overwhelming wrote:
Thats how all group of deaths are made though. Theres always that first pick who thinks it'd be a smart move to pick someone strong for whatever reason. The person picked first will then want to secure himself vs someone he is confident against and who's favoured against the person who picked him. The second person picked will do the same for the last pick since MKP think's he's favoured against MC but knows that MC is favoured against Symbol.

So everyone is just trying to hard counter each other. Too bad these people picking messed up somewhere. The bosstoss will advance first and both squirtle and mkp gets sent to code A.

I honestly think he's going to come out firing tonight. Totally expect him to advance first.
ShAdZ_ZX
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 23:55:56
June 27 2012 23:48 GMT
#139
On June 28 2012 08:36 Kharnage wrote:
Noooo idea who is getting out of this, so umm, GO MC!!!!


I 'feel' like Symbol and MKP might just make it through, but really, any combination of players could go through and I wouldn't be surprised... except for maybe Squirtle and MC, simply because they have to practise all three matchups.
Chill Penguin
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia756 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-28 00:16:23
June 28 2012 00:08 GMT
#140
What a truly ridiculous group to have at the rd of 16. What I find so interesting about this group is how much each match will influence the other players in the group. Whilst the opening games are pretty much 50-50, I feel like there is counter system set up for the winners final.

Squirtle > MC
MKP > Squirtle
Symbol > MKP
MC > Symbol

For what it's worth. I think Symbol (winners) and MKP (losers) will advance.
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