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Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
June 28 2012 12:42 GMT
#3401
On June 28 2012 21:41 noddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 21:38 Moskau wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:32 ZenithM wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:28 Moskau wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:27 ZenithM wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:25 dragonborn wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:24 noddy wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:23 dragonborn wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:23 noddy wrote:
gg zerg!

Your tears are delicious.

SYMBOL DESTROYED MKP, YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.


Zerg beating Terran despite playing terrible, shocker!

Now hopefully Symbol will die to Squirtle

Thats okay since MKP being fourth in this group, hahahahahah.

stop whining and watch Polt's TvZ.

MKP is overrated in Korea.

You mean "watch Polt's Code A TvZ"?


You mean watch MKP Code A matches? You realize he goes to Code A because he lost in the group right?

He's still placed higher than Polt bro. I don't get the MKP-Polt comparison, it's pretty clear who the better player is. Polt is essentially even with Stephano or a bit lower with the new metagame. MKP trashed Stephano at MLG last time.


If by trashed you mean almost lost? MKP is still a gimmicky player, 15 cc or all-in, that's all he does. Anyway bro, the facts are you were saying Polt was bad compared to MKP because hes in code a, somewhat unfortunate considering MKP literally just got knocked down into code a.


He's not in Code A. Get your facts straight, please.

He's also the player who has probably the most builds out of any player but yeah, he's definitely "gimmicky" rofl.


He is in Code A, get your facts straight please >_>
Biane
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia645 Posts
June 28 2012 12:42 GMT
#3402
On June 28 2012 21:39 avc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 21:38 Bommes wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:36 Biane wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:33 IshinShishi wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:30 Biane wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:27 Havik_ wrote:
Waiting for the Terran rage!!!


if you're trying to bait out/predict terran rage as a result of the last game? no. its obvious that MKP should have done a number of things differently (eg. PF instead of OC) which might of given him a much better chance of winning the game, but he didn't. there's no "imbalance complains" here whatsoever, just dissapointment.

Pfs can't be lifted, they tickle ultras and they can't drop mules, stop making wrong assumptions please?Thanks.

Game was nice, then 2 sec fight g g.


the PF/OC example was primarily to game 2 on antiga (which was the most obvious and a very valid observation). maybe you should stop making wrong assumptions and use your brain a little (even just a little) as to where these "assumptions" are coming from.


I'd still make the point that if MKP built a PF in game 2 he would have lost that game (because he would have lost the PF in 3 situations).

Maybe you are the one who should stop making wrong assumptions.


The Orbital was surprising, but it was also the correct decision because Symbol didn't have any air power.

Ideally he'd have built a PF beside the Orbital, but just the Orbital alone worked well for him in that game.


still, wasnt most of his army in game 2 lings and ultras (and a few infestors chucked in)? its wasn't like symbol had an overwhelming amount that could just destroy the PF outright especially since MKP had some units to fall back on most of the time.
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
June 28 2012 12:42 GMT
#3403
Khaldor reinforcing stereotypes lol
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
June 28 2012 12:42 GMT
#3404
Without MVP and MKP, Can Taeja carry terran's hope?
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
June 28 2012 12:42 GMT
#3405
On June 28 2012 21:42 -TesteR- wrote:
8-2 Squirtle and 7-1 Symbol on daybreak


15-3?
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PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
June 28 2012 12:42 GMT
#3406
On June 28 2012 21:42 xNebulous wrote:
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On June 28 2012 21:40 Tribuno wrote:
its incredible to read comment about symbol beeing good ONLY because the patch.. i m really sure that if they return to queen range 4, symbol will leave the scene immediately like someone said.. sure. Symbol is a great player, good macro, good unit control, smart enough.


i know it's disgusting how people just write off player's wins because of "imbalance"

Welcome to twitch tv chat. Opps, i mean TL LR threads.
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
June 28 2012 12:43 GMT
#3407
Daybreak again, interested if Squirtle uses his 3 base +3 blink and immortals build like he was trying for last time. Could be some good mind games if Symbol scouts him and thinks its a push again.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 28 2012 12:43 GMT
#3408
On June 28 2012 21:40 Kevan wrote:
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On June 28 2012 21:37 grungust wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:34 Ireniicus wrote:
loving the Terran tears after so long where they completely dominated every tournament now we have relative balance across the meta game
This.

Terran has had 60% win rate for 2 years and all of a sudden its down to being closer to 50% while still having the highest population in code s and all we see is tears. The same terrans who made fun of zergs and protoss crying for the past 2 years. The hypocrisy is hilarious.

Yes, imagine if they would drop to where Protoss was during the Sad Zealot days or where Zerg was during their darkest times. TL would crash from all the retards trying to spam their whine all over it.

Imagine that it was during that time there was 1(!) zerg in the Ro16 and 0 in the Ro8. Oh wait, last month...
I had a good night of sleep.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
June 28 2012 12:43 GMT
#3409
On June 28 2012 21:42 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 21:41 andaylin wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:38 Moskau wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:32 ZenithM wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:28 Moskau wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:27 ZenithM wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:25 dragonborn wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:24 noddy wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:23 dragonborn wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:23 noddy wrote:
gg zerg!

Your tears are delicious.

SYMBOL DESTROYED MKP, YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.


Zerg beating Terran despite playing terrible, shocker!

Now hopefully Symbol will die to Squirtle

Thats okay since MKP being fourth in this group, hahahahahah.

stop whining and watch Polt's TvZ.

MKP is overrated in Korea.

You mean "watch Polt's Code A TvZ"?


You mean watch MKP Code A matches? You realize he goes to Code A because he lost in the group right?

He's still placed higher than Polt bro. I don't get the MKP-Polt comparison, it's pretty clear who the better player is. Polt is essentially even with Stephano or a bit lower with the new metagame. MKP trashed Stephano at MLG last time.


If by trashed you mean almost lost? MKP is still a gimmicky player, 15 cc or all-in, that's all he does. Anyway bro, the facts are you were saying Polt was bad compared to MKP because hes in code a, somewhat unfortunate considering MKP literally just got knocked down into code a.

Lol MKP is gimmicky for 14CC huh? Stfu. Ever heard of this guy called Flash? And if you watch current tvz, MKP has made 14CC the standard. So think before you post.


Well Flash does it more unpredictable , when people don't expect it .


wat

No seriously, wat
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
June 28 2012 12:43 GMT
#3410
On June 28 2012 21:41 Tibbroar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 21:39 Sent. wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:36 Stanlot wrote:
Just remembered MVP also got knocked out this round. Was the LR thread for that night bad too?


mvp played really bad and second terran in the group managed to advance so it wasn't that bad.


Mvp may have played like crap against Taeja but he ridiculously outplayed Curious... only for it to not matter because lulz TvZ.


He didn't even play Curious.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
June 28 2012 12:43 GMT
#3411
On June 28 2012 21:42 Wildmoon wrote:
Without MVP and MKP, Can Taeja carry terran's hope?


Or byun! :D
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 28 2012 12:43 GMT
#3412
On June 28 2012 21:43 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 21:41 Tibbroar wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:39 Sent. wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:36 Stanlot wrote:
Just remembered MVP also got knocked out this round. Was the LR thread for that night bad too?


mvp played really bad and second terran in the group managed to advance so it wasn't that bad.


Mvp may have played like crap against Taeja but he ridiculously outplayed Curious... only for it to not matter because lulz TvZ.


He didn't even play Curious.

He meant violet
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Cubeface
Profile Joined April 2011
965 Posts
June 28 2012 12:43 GMT
#3413
Isn't that what Stephano does. He like, turns off his emotions while playing.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 28 2012 12:43 GMT
#3414
For everyone advising adding ghosts, ravens, or reapers, you don't understand MKP's style.
MKP is all about trading units more cost efficiently than his opponent. But to do that he needs replenishable units or units that just don't die. Against Zerg everything on the ground will eventually get cleaned up, so you can't use ghosts very well (they're kinda slow too). Even tanks are a bit hard to keep alive with MKP's style, that's why he doesn't make them in very high numbers (he could siege them earlier however ;D).
In the air, medivacs are kind of a good choice, they're fast, and can be reactored, so kinda replenishable and you can keep them alive easily even after being cleaned up.
In the end it just makes sense that all MKP produces is marine, marauders, hellions, medivacs and some tanks, that's essentially every tradable-ish unit Terran has.

If you want to play the ghosts/raven/mech/whatever slow push game, you need a much more turtlish style than what MKP likes to play. The fact that MKP doesn't make PF's is also related to this btw.

Whether this is a good TvZ style or not I don't know, but it's certainly good enough against lower Zergs than Symbol for someone with MKP's mechanics.
Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
June 28 2012 12:44 GMT
#3415
On June 28 2012 21:39 rothsbury wrote:
The terran tears are soooo sweet. You who mocked zerg and protoss when they struggled against terran now can't handle a challenging matchup. MKP is truly your idol.



Er. Terran has been handling the absurd Z and P lategame for nearly a year now and have slowly but surely had all of their early pressure abusive builds nerfed into nothing. TvP is now almost universally decided by the outcome of a 10 minute push. TvZ used to be decided by 3rd base denial into an awesome late game.

You did not have forums full of terrans going "LOL L2P" because the amazing terrans at GSL were not representative of the experience except for a very brief period where terran could a move into a protoss army because not a single one of you bothered to build templar.

Terrans have not had it "easy" for years. We've just had arguably the best player in the world playing our race.
Biane
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia645 Posts
June 28 2012 12:44 GMT
#3416
On June 28 2012 21:42 herbie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 21:36 Biane wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:33 IshinShishi wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:30 Biane wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:27 Havik_ wrote:
Waiting for the Terran rage!!!


if you're trying to bait out/predict terran rage as a result of the last game? no. its obvious that MKP should have done a number of things differently (eg. PF instead of OC) which might of given him a much better chance of winning the game, but he didn't. there's no "imbalance complains" here whatsoever, just dissapointment.

Pfs can't be lifted, they tickle ultras and they can't drop mules, stop making wrong assumptions please?Thanks.

Game was nice, then 2 sec fight g g.


the PF/OC example was primarily to game 2 on antiga (which was the most obvious and a very valid observation). maybe you should stop making wrong assumptions and use your brain a little (even just a little) as to where these "assumptions" are coming from.

You make no arguments whatsoever, In fact it helped MarineKing alot that that was an orbital, PF would have made no difference to the force of ultras symbol was fronting, the middle of antiga is so unsafe against zerg attacks it is extremely handy to lift it when needed. While MKP played bad , narrowing it all down to the correct choice of OC is silly.


i wasn't narrowing it down btw. but someone earlier placed out a reasoning as to how the OC could have been better to the PF so i'll defer to that.
Ireniicus
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom374 Posts
June 28 2012 12:44 GMT
#3417
Illusion has been using alot of ghosts in lategame tvz and doing just fine..ghosts and ravens are not even being built...its like the meta game has forgetten them....aka imagine if terran has built 10 reapers with all that surplus gas and sent them hatch sniping..loads of options.
SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
June 28 2012 12:44 GMT
#3418
MKP out QQ I thought it was his season. Well, now => SYMBOL FIGHTING!
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
June 28 2012 12:44 GMT
#3419
On June 28 2012 21:42 Za7oX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 21:42 xNebulous wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:40 Tribuno wrote:
its incredible to read comment about symbol beeing good ONLY because the patch.. i m really sure that if they return to queen range 4, symbol will leave the scene immediately like someone said.. sure. Symbol is a great player, good macro, good unit control, smart enough.


i know it's disgusting how people just write off player's wins because of "imbalance"

Welcome to twitch tv chat. Opps, i mean TL LR threads.


Sometimes I can't distinguish between the two nowadays. Except twitch chat is more vulgar and expletive filled but that's about it.
avc
Profile Joined December 2011
121 Posts
June 28 2012 12:44 GMT
#3420
On June 28 2012 21:42 Biane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 21:39 avc wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:38 Bommes wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:36 Biane wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:33 IshinShishi wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:30 Biane wrote:
On June 28 2012 21:27 Havik_ wrote:
Waiting for the Terran rage!!!


if you're trying to bait out/predict terran rage as a result of the last game? no. its obvious that MKP should have done a number of things differently (eg. PF instead of OC) which might of given him a much better chance of winning the game, but he didn't. there's no "imbalance complains" here whatsoever, just dissapointment.

Pfs can't be lifted, they tickle ultras and they can't drop mules, stop making wrong assumptions please?Thanks.

Game was nice, then 2 sec fight g g.


the PF/OC example was primarily to game 2 on antiga (which was the most obvious and a very valid observation). maybe you should stop making wrong assumptions and use your brain a little (even just a little) as to where these "assumptions" are coming from.


I'd still make the point that if MKP built a PF in game 2 he would have lost that game (because he would have lost the PF in 3 situations).

Maybe you are the one who should stop making wrong assumptions.


The Orbital was surprising, but it was also the correct decision because Symbol didn't have any air power.

Ideally he'd have built a PF beside the Orbital, but just the Orbital alone worked well for him in that game.


still, wasnt most of his army in game 2 lings and ultras (and a few infestors chucked in)? its wasn't like symbol had an overwhelming amount that could just destroy the PF outright especially since MKP had some units to fall back on most of the time.


Yes but, Orbital means better economy and 100% it will not die to Symbols composition.

PF is stuck there and can be overwhelmed by the presence of Ultralisks.
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