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m0ck
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unbaal
Sweden44 Posts
I just want to say that maybe you have a point in saying that MaNa has more talent than Thorzain. But around that time that Thorzain was in discussion to join EG, MaNa had just stated that he was going to take a year off from studies and compete full-time. And if you look at MaNa's track record around that time Thorzains statement makes perfect sense... Not to defend my countrymen but flying from the states to korea and competing the day after in GSL and that flying to sweden to compete in a open bracket DHS is pretty damn hard. I feel that this is good experience for Thorzain and he will pick his fights from now on, like other much more experienced pros are doing. Conditioning is as important in gaming as other sports imo. So is experience and wisdom. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
On June 19 2012 15:50 iGoTThiZ wrote: Not trying to troll but is Khaldor gay? serious question. After watching him cast with Incontrol for so long, his reactions just gave me that vibe that he might be. Got nothing against gay just curious. I got the same thing from him a while ago, now I'm actually under a strong impression that he is. And this is a perfectly fine question imo, as long as you don't attach any charge to the potential answer. This is like noticing, wow Incontrol is kinda huge, does he work out? | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On June 19 2012 17:45 unbaal wrote: Not to defend my countrymen but flying from the states to korea and competing the day after in GSL and that flying to sweden to compete in a open bracket DHS is pretty damn hard. I feel that this is good experience for Thorzain and he will pick his fights from now on, like other much more experienced pros are doing. Conditioning is as important in gaming as other sports imo. So is experience and wisdom. I'm pretty sure Thorzain knows this himself. I'm also pretty sure that if he was serious (which is presumably the case) about his career and GSL/Korea and if it was up to him, he wouldn't have flown in a day before his games and he wouldn't have flown out right after. I hope that he gets to pick his flights and decide on his schedule, but somehow I doubt that will be the case in a foreign team where players' main purpose is to be a marketing vessel and keep showing up in places where a lot of eyes and cameras will be on them and their shirts. And before someone takes this as a dig at EG specifically, right now I have the same opinion about most other foreign teams, including Liquid. That said, Mouz does seem to treat their players the best right now when it comes to scheduling and allowing them time to train, prepare, attend school etc. | ||
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Tidus Mino
United Kingdom1108 Posts
[QUOTE]On June 19 2012 15:40 Fanta_Rules wrote: [QUOTE]On June 19 2012 15:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: [QUOTE]On June 19 2012 15:24 Fanta_Rules wrote: ThorZaIN said he was easily the best Mouz player, that he didn't have anyone to compete with there, and that's why he left Mousesports for EG. Not only was that statement arrogant, but also false. In my opinion, MaNa is more talented than ThorZAiN. Also, EG sucked ass in Dreamhack. Take that, traitor.[/QUOTE] and now thorzain is one of eg's worst player :D[/QUOTE] EG curse never fails.[/QUOTE] Thorzain won 70,000 this weekend and Mana won 100,000 how is that a bad result? He played 2 tournaments, the entire day no breaks, starting at lunchtime and ended at 01:00am, and he had really tough games in esport SM barely winning the finals 3-2 vs SortOf Thorzain is good and very consistent, he was the most successful EG player this weekend by a mile, followed closely by Machine :D | ||
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Tidus Mino
United Kingdom1108 Posts
On June 19 2012 18:05 niteReloaded wrote: I got the same thing from him a while ago, now I'm actually under a strong impression that he is. And this is a perfectly fine question imo, as long as you don't attach any charge to the potential answer. This is like noticing, wow Incontrol is kinda huge, does he work out? No he had a girl with him at the event, that I assume was his girlfriend in how they acted with each other | ||
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CursedRich
United Kingdom737 Posts
On June 19 2012 15:50 iGoTThiZ wrote: Not trying to troll but is Khaldor gay? serious question. After watching him cast with Incontrol for so long, his reactions just gave me that vibe that he might be. Got nothing against gay just curious. No he's not for the record, he and his GF were at the last home story cup. Congrats to both Mana and Dimaga, 2 very deserving and popular finalists | ||
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szpaqlec
Ireland15 Posts
On June 19 2012 09:05 scypio wrote: Yeah, you have a good point there... just keep in mind that the toss also has some really cool abilities and strats that are in fact fun to watch. I would list: - blink stalker micro - warp prism micro / harass - storm / feedback and storm drops with HT - all kinds of hallucination play - phoenix micro So there you have it. Kick the boring stuff out and bring more fun stuff in and the game will become better from a spectator's perspective. In the DIMAGA vs MaNa series: BS micro - check WP harass - check HT drops - check Unless people expect every possible to be played in a series. DIMAGA played the same style over and over and got countered, same as Stephano. These are extremely strong players in the late game. Solution? Kill them before they get there. They intended to go for the late game and got punished. Also PvZ is the least liked match up for MaNa so he wasn't experimenting just went for the throat. Gratz to him. It was nice strategic play with good opponent read and great game sense. FF micro was sick so as the BL bust defence. I was also impressed with the multi-prone attack being handled while wrecking havoc in DIMAGA's main with WP. Overall great control in both games, well deserved win after dispatching Stephano and HerO. GJ MaNa, looking forward to see more. Cheers M. | ||
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Arc1
Poland849 Posts
On June 19 2012 18:08 Talin wrote: I'm pretty sure Thorzain knows this himself. I'm also pretty sure that if he was serious (which is presumably the case) about his career and GSL/Korea and if it was up to him, he wouldn't have flown in a day before his games and he wouldn't have flown out right after. I hope that he gets to pick his flights and decide on his schedule, but somehow I doubt that will be the case in a foreign team where players' main purpose is to be a marketing vessel and keep showing up in places where a lot of eyes and cameras will be on them and their shirts. And before someone takes this as a dig at EG specifically, right now I have the same opinion about most other foreign teams, including Liquid. That said, Mouz does seem to treat their players the best right now when it comes to scheduling and allowing them time to train, prepare, attend school etc. Also Thorzain won some swedish only tournamnet during DH. It was ok event for him imo, he did what he could with little time to prepare. | ||
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
On June 19 2012 18:08 Talin wrote: I'm pretty sure Thorzain knows this himself. I'm also pretty sure that if he was serious (which is presumably the case) about his career and GSL/Korea and if it was up to him, he wouldn't have flown in a day before his games and he wouldn't have flown out right after. I hope that he gets to pick his flights and decide on his schedule, but somehow I doubt that will be the case in a foreign team where players' main purpose is to be a marketing vessel and keep showing up in places where a lot of eyes and cameras will be on them and their shirts. And before someone takes this as a dig at EG specifically, right now I have the same opinion about most other foreign teams, including Liquid. That said, Mouz does seem to treat their players the best right now when it comes to scheduling and allowing them time to train, prepare, attend school etc. the problem is, which tournament should he have skipped? -MLG Anaheim? It was the most hyped tournament this year. And skipping that wouldn't give him much more time. -GSL? Nope, he accepted his code S spot, so he has to be there and also even when he fails there, he will still remain in code A and that is good for him, as he will spend much time in Korea after dreamhack. -the Swedish tournament? Nope, and good that he didn't, as he got 1st place there and won 10'000 $ while playing for dreamhack at nearly the same time. -Dreamhack? not a good idea, as he is already in sweden and when he plays there for the Swedish tournament, he can also play in dreamhack. And because he wanted to defend his Title. so which tournament should he have skipped? pretty hard decision. | ||
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Sickstee
Poland44 Posts
On June 19 2012 18:28 szpaqlec wrote: In the DIMAGA vs MaNa series: BS micro - check WP harass - check HT drops - check Unless people expect every possible to be played in a series. DIMAGA played the same style over and over and got countered, same as Stephano. These are extremely strong players in the late game. Solution? Kill them before they get there. They intended to go for the late game and got punished. Also PvZ is the least liked match up for MaNa so he wasn't experimenting just went for the throat. Gratz to him. It was nice strategic play with good opponent read and great game sense. FF micro was sick so as the BL bust defence. I was also impressed with the multi-prone attack being handled while wrecking havoc in DIMAGA's main with WP. Overall great control in both games, well deserved win after dispatching Stephano and HerO. GJ MaNa, looking forward to see more. Cheers M. You both guys forgot about some insane forcefields that Mana put down many times vs this crazy baneling style of Dimaga. | ||
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Funkydonky
950 Posts
On June 19 2012 17:45 unbaal wrote: I just want to say that maybe you have a point in saying that MaNa has more talent than Thorzain. But around that time that Thorzain was in discussion to join EG, MaNa had just stated that he was going to take a year off from studies and compete full-time. And if you look at MaNa's track record around that time Thorzains statement makes perfect sense... Not to defend my countrymen but flying from the states to korea and competing the day after in GSL and that flying to sweden to compete in a open bracket DHS is pretty damn hard. I feel that this is good experience for Thorzain and he will pick his fights from now on, like other much more experienced pros are doing. Conditioning is as important in gaming as other sports imo. So is experience and wisdom. I don't wanna be BM, but before thorzain won DH, mana was far more acomplished than thorzain. One online tournament victory doesnt beat several big lan tournament second places that MaNa had, Other thing is that thorzain was super hyped compared to mana because he won tsl3 | ||
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Fanta_Rules
Sweden669 Posts
On June 19 2012 19:35 Funkydonky wrote: I don't wanna be BM, but before thorzain won DH, mana was far more acomplished than thorzain. One online tournament victory doesnt beat several big lan tournament second places that MaNa had, Other thing is that thorzain was super hyped compared to mana because he won tsl3 Exactly. Not saying that ThorZaIN is overrated, but compared to MaNa, he is. | ||
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Ippo
708 Posts
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Motoorhead
Poland67 Posts
On June 19 2012 15:50 iGoTThiZ wrote: Not trying to troll but is Khaldor gay? serious question. After watching him cast with Incontrol for so long, his reactions just gave me that vibe that he might be. Got nothing against gay just curious. He has a girlfriend... And she is polish (not sure about this). | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On June 19 2012 19:19 Hardigan wrote: the problem is, which tournament should he have skipped? -MLG Anaheim? It was the most hyped tournament this year. And skipping that wouldn't give him much more time. -GSL? Nope, he accepted his code S spot, so he has to be there and also even when he fails there, he will still remain in code A and that is good for him, as he will spend much time in Korea after dreamhack. -the Swedish tournament? Nope, and good that he didn't, as he got 1st place there and won 10'000 $ while playing for dreamhack at nearly the same time. -Dreamhack? not a good idea, as he is already in sweden and when he plays there for the Swedish tournament, he can also play in dreamhack. And because he wanted to defend his Title. so which tournament should he have skipped? pretty hard decision. It's tough indeed and without being in Thorzain's shoes I couldn't tell what I'd skip. He played all of them and did reasonably well. Hopefully he'll use this experience for the better in the future. I would've said going to GSL unprepared and jat-lagged is pointless, but he took out Gumiho and with a little bit of luck Squitrle couldve taken out Keen (I think he would've had a better shot against Keen). | ||
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unbaal
Sweden44 Posts
On June 19 2012 19:35 Funkydonky wrote: I don't wanna be BM, but before thorzain won DH, mana was far more acomplished than thorzain. One online tournament victory doesnt beat several big lan tournament second places that MaNa had, Other thing is that thorzain was super hyped compared to mana because he won tsl3 Your actually partially right when saying that MaNa was a far more accomplished player than Thorzain. But as they say, "you are as good as your last victory". So still, his comment about being the best in mtw at the time he made the statement still makes perfect sense  although in a sport where its very hard to stay at the top for very long, making any statement about being the best in any situation is abit... whats the word... uncalled for? Although i feel we are nitpicking this apart and being manner police haha. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On June 19 2012 17:26 Full.tilt wrote: He doesn't say it quite as bad as it may sound to some people, was from Slashers interview after he joined EG. Either you interpret this as Thorzain disrespecting his team mates or you interpret it as him simply acknowleding he was the brighting shining star in their team (which is a fact) and wanting a new tougher challenge. I think given his history and the respect he's paid to his team in the past he deserves the benefit of a doubt. To me, this just shows players better watch their tongues, because there's always someone out there choosing to interpret what you're saying in the least favorable way. Or better yet, players could just ignore those people. | ||
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Youtakenocandle
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zanga
659 Posts
I was in the audience of the DH grand final and it was awesome The Dota finals before took a longer time than anticipated but other than that,,,, everything was as good as it could be I suppose. The room is HUGE which can not be picked up on the stream cameras at all and there are a trillion people in there. Good job everyone! Incontrol got a cheer every time he appeared in the Sapphire-EG commercial btw  (of course they mute all microphones during commercials)I just took a look at the vod a little bit, The stream didnt pick up even 25% of the cheers and loudness of the audience! Also, lets be honest... the favorite players arent Mana or Dimaga in this DH (even though I know hes quite popular) in the final, but they still received a very warm welcome etc imo and cheers.. and thats cool. They are both very good persons and players OBVIOUSLY! To you guys whos never been to a live event, or more specifically, a DreamHack SC2 final................ you have to go. You have no idea. DreamHack Winter will probably be fucking unbelievable... I wasnt there, but I saw last year... omfg. gg! | ||
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