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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Champloo
Germany1850 Posts
On June 18 2012 03:12 KalWarkov wrote: europe so strong again :D fraer beats puma and vampire, livezerg about to beat naniwa (well - korean training at least) - i think lots of ppl still underestimate many eu players I actually think EU and Korea are already very close in skill. You just can't really see it because in MLG/IPL it's 50 Koreans and 5 EU and in DH it's 50 EU and 5 Koreans. | ||
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c78331
Greece64 Posts
On June 18 2012 03:11 ohampatu wrote: No where have I really disagreed with anybody. I simply stated that DH's issue with 'not alot of terrans' wasn't a balance issue, but a race distribution issue (from like, before the tourney started). I have been ignoring all your tvz complaints. If it makes you feel better, i too believe zvt is broken. Ok, so i agree. Can we drop balance discussion now and get back to DH? You are confusing me with someone else, i have never whined about any match-up and i only gave some stats about pvz since he asked for it. | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On June 18 2012 03:14 Azarkon wrote: LiveZerg starting to become Stephano. Great decision making, great unit control, great game sense in these games. Standard Russian into American transition, good strat | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On June 18 2012 03:14 Azarkon wrote: LiveZerg starting to become Stephano. Great decision making, great unit control, great game sense in these games. I haven't seen him play ZvT yet iirc he's pretty bad at the MU but on the other hand there may be none (Except for bratok ofc). | ||
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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
On June 18 2012 03:13 Mohdoo wrote: Europe just isn't as refined. These results happen, but unfortunately not consistently enough  how many opportunities do players like Fraer and LiveZerg have to prove themself? If they were in incontrol's and Machine's shoes and played like every MLG I am sure they would go far a couple of times and take out Koreans on their way. Those kind of players are incredibly strong and extremely underrated. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On June 18 2012 03:15 Fragile51 wrote: Standard Russian into American transition, good strat i'll admit, i chuckled | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On June 18 2012 03:15 Fragile51 wrote: Standard Russian into American transition, good strat USA doing so well at this dreamhack | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On June 18 2012 03:14 Champloo wrote: I actually think EU and Korea are already very close in skill. Not a chance. There are like 5 EU players that can compete with Koreans, and only 2 of them (Nani/Steph) are around Code S level. Maybe you could make an argument for Sase. There are probably 20 Korean B-teamers that could make a run through an EU tourney. | ||
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resoLVer1.0
Russian Federation125 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On June 18 2012 03:14 Champloo wrote: I actually think EU and Korea are already very close in skill. You just can't really see it because in MLG/IPL it's 50 Koreans and 5 EU and in DH it's 50 EU and 5 Koreans. Only the midlevel ones. There aren't really any EU tournaments big enough to consistently ship MKP, DRG, MVP, MC and the like to battle against Europeans. What you are seeing here is the cream of the European crop playing against mid-level Koreans and doing fairly well. The only exceptions to the KR > EU rule I know of are Huk, Naniwa and Stephano, and they are all playing at this event. | ||
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arQ
1033 Posts
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DOUDOU
Wales2940 Posts
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Sea_aeS
1025 Posts
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Tarotis
Germany1931 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On June 18 2012 03:16 Holgerius wrote: BratOk's TvZ looks so fucking amazing at the moment. Would love to see him play vs Stephano. Bratok feels like one of the player relatively unaffected by the patch because his best strengths are late game management, defence and drop harass 3 things which the queen patch did not affect. | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On June 18 2012 03:17 SeaSwift wrote: Only the midlevel ones. There aren't really any EU tournaments big enough to consistently ship MKP, DRG, MVP, MC and the like to battle against Europeans. What you are seeing here is the cream of the European crop playing against mid-level Koreans and doing fairly well. The only exceptions to the KR > EU rule I know of are Huk, Naniwa and Stephano, and they are all playing at this event. Hey now, I know people want to make Stephano an American but can you leave us Huk, please we don't have anyone else to cheer for from Canada who actually wins things. | ||
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Champloo
Germany1850 Posts
On June 18 2012 03:16 Shiori wrote: Not a chance. There are like 5 EU players that can compete with Koreans, and only 2 of them (Nani/Steph) are around Code S level. Maybe you could make an argument for Sase. There are probably 20 Korean B-teamers that could make a run through an EU tourney. You're definitly overestimating Korean B-teamers there. | ||
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