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I'm a huge fan of TSL, love these events. But am I the only one who doesn't feel that it's entirely legitimate anymore?
I see all these good players getting knocked out before round of 32 by complete unknowns. I would love to see new blood in the scene, but how do we know they're not hacking or cheating in some way? Sorry to bring it up but all of these upsets have that shadow hanging over them constantly and makes it way less fun for me.
Edit: I've also only started feeling this way since the Spades/Impa thing, before that I was blissfully ignorant.
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Why is there a korean in the eu/na qualifiers?
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On June 13 2012 02:27 SCST wrote: I'm a huge fan of TSL, love these events. But am I the only one who doesn't feel that it's entirely legitimate anymore?
I see all these good players getting knocked out before round of 32 by complete unknowns. I would love to see new blood in the scene, but how do we know they're not hacking or cheating in some way? Sorry to bring it up but all of these upsets have that shadow hanging over them constantly and makes it way less fun for me.
Rest assured that at least for the ones that are earning points in the ranking, TL will have a look at the replays to see if everything is legit.
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On June 13 2012 02:28 Youtakenocandle wrote: Why is there a korean in the eu/na qualifiers?
You mean Golden? He lives in the US. Same with Real and Dragon, who live in EU.
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On June 13 2012 02:22 Sphaero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 02:19 tree.hugger wrote:On June 13 2012 02:16 torm3ntin wrote:On June 13 2012 02:13 tree.hugger wrote:On June 13 2012 02:12 StarVe wrote: As usual, the RO32 looks nothing like anyone expected after seeing the signups. TSL =D It all averages out in the end though. That's why we have a bunch of these! I think Ro64 bo3 would be better. At least most of the favorites got there. But i know there are probably 300 pages in the internal forums discussing this topic :D Only upset I see at that stage was PBunny beating Nerchio though. Wouldn't have changed much. Turuk over Socke is just as much of an upset. Although, Socke just came back from the US, so his condition could be not the best.
I would argue that IeZael > Strelok and giantt > CatZ are quite the upsets as well.
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On June 13 2012 02:28 Youtakenocandle wrote: Why is there a korean in the eu/na qualifiers?
Daisy and Golden are living in Germany/USA so they are allowed to participate here.
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On June 13 2012 02:27 SCST wrote: I'm a huge fan of TSL, love these events. But am I the only one who doesn't feel that it's entirely legitimate anymore?
I see all these good players getting knocked out before round of 32 by complete unknowns. I would love to see new blood in the scene, but how do we know they're not hacking or cheating in some way? Sorry to bring it up but all of these upsets have that shadow hanging over them constantly and makes it way less fun for me. There are not an unusual amount of upsets for bo1's.
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OMG is dragon going to win SOO CLOSE
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On June 13 2012 02:27 SCST wrote: I'm a huge fan of TSL, love these events. But am I the only one who doesn't feel that it's entirely legitimate anymore?
I see all these good players getting knocked out before round of 32 by complete unknowns. I would love to see new blood in the scene, but how do we know they're not hacking or cheating in some way? Sorry to bring it up but all of these upsets have that shadow hanging over them constantly and makes it way less fun for me.
Edit: I've also only started feeling this way since the Spades/Impa thing, before that I was blissfully ignorant.
That's what exposed hackers do to the scene. Make everyone suspicious.
To be honest, im not surprised so many unknowns are knocking out big players. There are a lot of very good players out there. But people should remain guarded over what happened recently.
edit:// wow pokebunny beat nerchio. Being a bit of a nerchio fan..... wp pokebunny 
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On June 13 2012 02:27 SCST wrote: I'm a huge fan of TSL, love these events. But am I the only one who doesn't feel that it's entirely legitimate anymore?
I see all these good players getting knocked out before round of 32 by complete unknowns. I would love to see new blood in the scene, but how do we know they're not hacking or cheating in some way? Sorry to bring it up but all of these upsets have that shadow hanging over them constantly and makes it way less fun for me.
Edit: I've also only started feeling this way since the Spades/Impa thing, before that I was blissfully ignorant.
If this was a one time thing I would definitely agree. But winning several Bo1s in a row is a strength as well, and by no means will an undeserving player end up winning it all and taking the seed. Now, I can't remember the total of qualifiers they intend having, but the point system will reward players who are consistently able to beat this format.
edit: I somehow figuered your post was about Bo1s and not about cheating. Nevermind me.
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On June 13 2012 02:29 torm3ntin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 02:27 SCST wrote: I'm a huge fan of TSL, love these events. But am I the only one who doesn't feel that it's entirely legitimate anymore?
I see all these good players getting knocked out before round of 32 by complete unknowns. I would love to see new blood in the scene, but how do we know they're not hacking or cheating in some way? Sorry to bring it up but all of these upsets have that shadow hanging over them constantly and makes it way less fun for me. Rest assured that at least for the ones that are earning points in the ranking, TL will have a look at the replays to see if everything is legit.
That's good to know!
There are not an unusual amount of upsets for bo1's.
Yeah not worried about that so much as just the feeling of constantly questioning if it's legitimate
That's what exposed hackers do to the scene. Make everyone suspicious.
To be honest, im not surprised so many unknowns are knocking out big players. There are a lot of very good players out there. But people should remain guarded over what happened recently.
I hope Blizzard come's out with something in order to ease the communities fears
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On June 13 2012 02:02 torm3ntin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 01:57 TheDougler wrote:Oh noes it's gonna be Fenix vs Grubby in RO64  GL Grubby, though it'd be great to see Fenix doing well again as well. Really don't know who to root for there actually. Since it's in EU servers i think Fenix may have a hard time since there is 0 lag on the grubby side.
I haven't seen Fenix play in almost a year... but the way Grubby has been playing lately I think Fenix'll have a hard time even before the lag.
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On June 13 2012 02:36 SayGen wrote: Wow.. GG Dragon
That was a slug fest. Intense match!
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collecting my 11 qualifier points tt
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On June 13 2012 02:28 Youtakenocandle wrote: Why is there a korean in the eu/na qualifiers?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339212 + Show Spoiler + All EU/NA players may play in both the 5 NA qualifiers and 5 EU qualifiers (10 total tournaments).
To play in EU/NA tournaments, the player must:
Live in North America or Europe; OR Be a citizen of a North American or European country; OR Live in South America
To play in Korea, the player must:
Live in Korea; OR Be a citizen of Korea
Players who qualify for both must elect whether they wish to participate in the 10 EU/NA tournaments or the 5 Korean tournaments. Those in China, Taiwan, and SEA may choose to play in either the EU/NA tournaments or in the Korean events. Players in South America will play on the EU/NA qualifiers.
Players will indicate which they are choosing simply by entering and playing an event on that server. Entering events on both point rankings will result in disqualification.
Examples, assuming these players wish to participate in TSL4:
EG.iNcontroL lives in the United States and is not a citizen of Korea, he can only choose to play in the 10 EU/NA qualifiers IM.NesTea lives in Korea and is not a citizen of a NA or EU country, he can only choose to play in the 5 KR qualifiers Liquid`Jinro lives in Korea and is a citizen of Sweden, he can elect to play in the 10 EU/NA qualifiers OR the 5 KR qualifiers Empire.Violet lives in the United States and is a citizen of Korea, he can elect to play in the 10 EU/NA qualifiers OR the 5 KR qualifiers GamaniaSen lives in Taiwan, he can choose to play in the 10 EU/NA qualifiers OR the 5 KR qualifiers
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On June 13 2012 02:30 Wivyx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 02:22 Sphaero wrote:On June 13 2012 02:19 tree.hugger wrote:On June 13 2012 02:16 torm3ntin wrote:On June 13 2012 02:13 tree.hugger wrote:On June 13 2012 02:12 StarVe wrote: As usual, the RO32 looks nothing like anyone expected after seeing the signups. TSL =D It all averages out in the end though. That's why we have a bunch of these! I think Ro64 bo3 would be better. At least most of the favorites got there. But i know there are probably 300 pages in the internal forums discussing this topic :D Only upset I see at that stage was PBunny beating Nerchio though. Wouldn't have changed much. Turuk over Socke is just as much of an upset. Although, Socke just came back from the US, so his condition could be not the best. I would argue that IeZael > Strelok and giantt > CatZ are quite the upsets as well. uThermal > HasuObs, mycerion > sLivko, arew > LiveZerg, lukje > Elfi, Nce > Naama
Probably more, but I'm a bit too lazy to look through every part of the bracket.
Ah, fuck, that wasn't RO64, disregard my post, I failed to comprehend the previous ones.
Still, those are upsets.
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ohh Mana already has beaten KawaiiRice GJ! GO GO Mana!
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On June 13 2012 02:37 KawaiiRice wrote: collecting my 11 qualifier points tt
gg wp, 11 points is a good start.
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