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games back on jaehoon had keyboard error, ref notice error and game resume now
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On May 21 2012 16:11 WHyTePoWeR wrote:
games back on jaehoon had keyboard error, ref notice error and game resume now
Thank you so much!
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On May 21 2012 16:11 WHyTePoWeR wrote:
games back on jaehoon had keyboard error, ref notice error and game resume now
Thank you! 
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team 8 is arguing refs decision that keyboard didn't affect the game
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On May 21 2012 16:10 ProxyKnoxy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 16:09 ZeromuS wrote:On May 21 2012 16:05 Le French wrote:On May 21 2012 15:58 ZeromuS wrote:Watching Jaehoon was frustrating. 7 minute 3 gate pressure with a far away proxy pylon and his WG tech finishing 20 seconds before the extra gates. I honestly wonder how much sc2 he has played because the timings were horrible there. I can hit more crisp timings with my 3 gate build  Really now? His build was bad. He is better than me but his build was bad and poorly executed. It was timed oddly and he didn't have any tech behind his attack and his timing for the attack was late. If he had hit earlier at a better timing against Horangii who had no sentry, and only 3 stalkers and blink half done and only 2 gates of production he would have won easily. So, yes. Watching these games are frustrating, the decisions and timings on the builds are not anywhere near as good as we the SC2 community want to see and are expecting from these BW pros especially when there is a ton of "end of current sc2 era" hype being thrown around. 3 gate pressure is meant to hit a little after 5 minutes. To get it at 7 minutes is just...
As Ryo said they are trying their best but the problem is that behind all the hype I was really expecting a lot more. It wouldnt take more than 2 hours for someone as good as these players to learn to 4 gate or 3 gate pressure with follow up so that is my issue.
The need to focus on two games is just causing poor games for both BW and SC2 so far.
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On May 21 2012 16:11 WHyTePoWeR wrote:
games back on jaehoon had keyboard error, ref notice error and game resume now
all this drama just for that?I thought jaehoon made all the calculations and decided that stakers aren't dragoons and this is imba.
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I could play a bo7 PvP in the time this is taking to be resolved.
C'mon.
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On May 21 2012 16:12 WHyTePoWeR wrote:
team 8 is arguing refs decision that keyboard didn't affect the game
so they want a regame
welllll hoon better win i want an ace match, more games.
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wondering if coach is arguing that keyboard error created issues earlier on.
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this pause is longer than one bo7 finals
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On May 21 2012 16:13 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 16:12 WHyTePoWeR wrote:
team 8 is arguing refs decision that keyboard didn't affect the game so they want a regame welllll hoon better win i want an ace match, more games.
me to :D
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On May 21 2012 16:11 WHyTePoWeR wrote:
games back on jaehoon had keyboard error, ref notice error and game resume now
Thank you
Been wondering what the hell was going on
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I see. Team8 wants a regame because they know their dude was behind, they are saying that he can't win because his keyboard wasn't functioning for too long. On the other hand, its not fair to deprive Horang2 of a game he probably won, fairly, and make him regame.
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On May 21 2012 16:11 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 16:09 Swords wrote:On May 21 2012 16:07 Acritter wrote:On May 21 2012 16:04 Swords wrote:On May 21 2012 16:00 Acritter wrote:On May 21 2012 15:58 Kommander wrote:On May 21 2012 15:55 Nibbler89 wrote:On May 21 2012 15:50 Emporio wrote:
I haven't had a chance to watch any of the PL. Is the SC2 any good (compared to actual SC2 pros)? It's been a wide range, some have shown potential and some are so clueless about how the game works that when the two get paired versus each other it's hard to tell how the one's looking good would do versus an actually good player. Yup, Jangbi and Effort seem to have a good grasp of the game and strategies, they need more work but they're not too bad. Flash needs more work, at least on his TvZ, cuz he didn't put pressure on Effort at all who proceeded to drone like mad and max within the first 10-11 minutes or so, but his macro's there. Jaedong REALLY needs more practice, he had good mechanics but strategically and decision-making wise, he was totally out of sorts. I will never forgive Effort for sacrificing over half his Mutalisks to a single Thor. To me this is what makes this so entertaining. What stuck out to me yesterday was JD roaving the map with 3-4 groups of 10 roaches, microing each group perfectly. Then, when the toss moved out he didn't engage at all, fled up his ramp into his main, and send one of the groups to his opponents base to snipe pylons and almost nothing else. He was so mechanically on top of everything and then made every single wrong decision possible. They just don't understand simple metagame/basic game knowledge, but have ridiculous APM/reaction times/minimap awareness, which leads to some really bizarre and comical situations. As they get better the games will start being sick instead of just funny. Some of those mindsets, though, are just so WRONG... There's no excuse for simply letting your units die like that. Did he not know what Thors were? Did he have his health bars set to selected? Did he simply decide "fuck this, I'm better with 11 Mutas like in the glory days"? Maybe I'm wrong, but some of this stuff is just insane. I mean, he's playing two games at once. One game you're supposed to keep your mutas in the tightest ball possible against terran and the other game you're supposed to keep them as spread out as possible. I imagine you might just not be able to switch mentalities immediately. Especially if you're Effort and have been stacking your mutas for years now. Even when those Mutas are stacked, you don't run them into the middle of a pack of Marine+Medic.
Well did he run into marines or one thor? If it was one Thor and he hasn't played a ton and thinks he can snipe the Thor like you can snipe turrets with mutas in BW then I can see something like that happening.
I agree that a lot of it seems insane, but I don't think that's to be unexpected - they are training two completely different games at once, one of which they've barely trained for. What really got me yesterday was the nexus drive-by with an entire mmm ball that ended up killing nothing and losing the entire army.
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Man I could have bought breakfast by now arggggggggg hungry and angry !
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what does it mean when the commentators say : "deh", is it like "yes"?
they say "neh" too ;O
answered =) thanks.
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On May 21 2012 16:12 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 16:10 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On May 21 2012 16:09 ZeromuS wrote:On May 21 2012 16:05 Le French wrote:On May 21 2012 15:58 ZeromuS wrote:Watching Jaehoon was frustrating. 7 minute 3 gate pressure with a far away proxy pylon and his WG tech finishing 20 seconds before the extra gates. I honestly wonder how much sc2 he has played because the timings were horrible there. I can hit more crisp timings with my 3 gate build Really now? His build was bad. He is better than me but his build was bad and poorly executed. It was timed oddly and he didn't have any tech behind his attack and his timing for the attack was late. If he had hit earlier at a better timing against Horangii who had no sentry, and only 3 stalkers and blink half done and only 2 gates of production he would have won easily. So, yes. Watching these games are frustrating, the decisions and timings on the builds are not anywhere near as good as we the SC2 community want to see and are expecting from these BW pros especially when there is a ton of "end of current sc2 era" hype being thrown around. 3 gate pressure is meant to hit a little after 5 minutes. To get it at 7 minutes is just... As Ryo said they are trying their best but the problem is that behind all the hype I was really expecting a lot more. It wouldnt take more than 2 hours for someone as good as these players to learn to 4 gate or 3 gate pressure with follow up so that is my issue. The need to focus on two games is just causing poor games for both BW and SC2 so far.
Not quite true. Other teams are doing decent if not well. T8 just looks bad. Wouldn't surprise me if they lose every single match this season.
Poor Jaedong
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On May 21 2012 16:07 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 16:04 Swords wrote:On May 21 2012 16:00 Acritter wrote:On May 21 2012 15:58 Kommander wrote:On May 21 2012 15:55 Nibbler89 wrote:On May 21 2012 15:50 Emporio wrote:
I haven't had a chance to watch any of the PL. Is the SC2 any good (compared to actual SC2 pros)? It's been a wide range, some have shown potential and some are so clueless about how the game works that when the two get paired versus each other it's hard to tell how the one's looking good would do versus an actually good player. Yup, Jangbi and Effort seem to have a good grasp of the game and strategies, they need more work but they're not too bad. Flash needs more work, at least on his TvZ, cuz he didn't put pressure on Effort at all who proceeded to drone like mad and max within the first 10-11 minutes or so, but his macro's there. Jaedong REALLY needs more practice, he had good mechanics but strategically and decision-making wise, he was totally out of sorts. I will never forgive Effort for sacrificing over half his Mutalisks to a single Thor. To me this is what makes this so entertaining. What stuck out to me yesterday was JD roaving the map with 3-4 groups of 10 roaches, microing each group perfectly. Then, when the toss moved out he didn't engage at all, fled up his ramp into his main, and send one of the groups to his opponents base to snipe pylons and almost nothing else. He was so mechanically on top of everything and then made every single wrong decision possible. They just don't understand simple metagame/basic game knowledge, but have ridiculous APM/reaction times/minimap awareness, which leads to some really bizarre and comical situations. As they get better the games will start being sick instead of just funny. Some of those mindsets, though, are just so WRONG... There's no excuse for simply letting your units die like that. Did he not know what Thors were? Did he have his health bars set to selected? Did he simply decide "fuck this, I'm better with 11 Mutas like in the glory days"? Maybe I'm wrong, but some of this stuff is just insane.
Because every single pro player hasn't made the same or similar mistakes Effort made, right?
Like zergs throwing banelings on archons, they NEVER do that
or engaging mutalisks over similar numbers of marines. Not once have I ever seen Idra do something like that.
and that Nestea vs. Huk game totally never happened at all
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