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Inhumane
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada145 Posts
May 21 2012 07:15 GMT
#441
On May 21 2012 16:14 Samp wrote:
what does it mean when the commentators say : "deh", is it like "yes"?


It's Neh and you are correct, it means yes
iMYoonA
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia462 Posts
May 21 2012 07:15 GMT
#442
On May 21 2012 16:14 Samp wrote:
what does it mean when the commentators say : "deh", is it like "yes"?
they say "neh" too ;O


just agreement mate
*yoona | taeyeon | jiyeon | na eun | cho rong | IU | nana | suzy | yejin*
Clafou
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium921 Posts
May 21 2012 07:15 GMT
#443
kespa members are serious as shit.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
May 21 2012 07:15 GMT
#444
On May 21 2012 16:12 ZeromuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 16:10 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
On May 21 2012 16:09 ZeromuS wrote:
On May 21 2012 16:05 Le French wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:58 ZeromuS wrote:
Watching Jaehoon was frustrating.

7 minute 3 gate pressure with a far away proxy pylon and his WG tech finishing 20 seconds before the extra gates. I honestly wonder how much sc2 he has played because the timings were horrible there. I can hit more crisp timings with my 3 gate build

Really now?


His build was bad. He is better than me but his build was bad and poorly executed. It was timed oddly and he didn't have any tech behind his attack and his timing for the attack was late.

If he had hit earlier at a better timing against Horangii who had no sentry, and only 3 stalkers and blink half done and only 2 gates of production he would have won easily.

So, yes. Watching these games are frustrating, the decisions and timings on the builds are not anywhere near as good as we the SC2 community want to see and are expecting from these BW pros especially when there is a ton of "end of current sc2 era" hype being thrown around.


3 gate pressure is meant to hit a little after 5 minutes. To get it at 7 minutes is just...


As Ryo said they are trying their best but the problem is that behind all the hype I was really expecting a lot more. It wouldnt take more than 2 hours for someone as good as these players to learn to 4 gate or 3 gate pressure with follow up so that is my issue.

The need to focus on two games is just causing poor games for both BW and SC2 so far.


Maybe the keyboard fucked him up

But yeah, seeing both BW and SC2 played at a lower level because of this system is a bummer.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
May 21 2012 07:16 GMT
#445
On May 21 2012 16:12 ZeromuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 16:10 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
On May 21 2012 16:09 ZeromuS wrote:
On May 21 2012 16:05 Le French wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:58 ZeromuS wrote:
Watching Jaehoon was frustrating.

7 minute 3 gate pressure with a far away proxy pylon and his WG tech finishing 20 seconds before the extra gates. I honestly wonder how much sc2 he has played because the timings were horrible there. I can hit more crisp timings with my 3 gate build

Really now?


His build was bad. He is better than me but his build was bad and poorly executed. It was timed oddly and he didn't have any tech behind his attack and his timing for the attack was late.

If he had hit earlier at a better timing against Horangii who had no sentry, and only 3 stalkers and blink half done and only 2 gates of production he would have won easily.

So, yes. Watching these games are frustrating, the decisions and timings on the builds are not anywhere near as good as we the SC2 community want to see and are expecting from these BW pros especially when there is a ton of "end of current sc2 era" hype being thrown around.


3 gate pressure is meant to hit a little after 5 minutes. To get it at 7 minutes is just...


As Ryo said they are trying their best but the problem is that behind all the hype I was really expecting a lot more. It wouldnt take more than 2 hours for someone as good as these players to learn to 4 gate or 3 gate pressure with follow up so that is my issue.

The need to focus on two games is just causing poor games for both BW and SC2 so far.

I agree with this. Every player should just be learning one of the strong all-ins for their race, because nobody's gonna be good enough to counter it yet. 2base all-ins for Protoss, 1-1-1 and Marauder/Hellion for Terran, Roach max and 6pool for Zerg. The fact that they haven't is disturbing. I can get a new all-in mostly down in one or two games, as a Protoss player. For them to struggle so much with it is depressing.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Colpan
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States196 Posts
May 21 2012 07:16 GMT
#446
On May 21 2012 16:14 Samp wrote:
what does it mean when the commentators say : "deh", is it like "yes"?
they say "neh" too ;O


"deh" by itself isn't anything
"neh" means yes
you might be confusing the "neh" as "deh" sometimes haha
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
May 21 2012 07:16 GMT
#447
On May 21 2012 16:05 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 16:03 unit wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:58 Kommander wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:55 Nibbler89 wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:50 Emporio wrote:
I haven't had a chance to watch any of the PL. Is the SC2 any good (compared to actual SC2 pros)?

It's been a wide range, some have shown potential and some are so clueless about how the game works that when the two get paired versus each other it's hard to tell how the one's looking good would do versus an actually good player.


Yup, Jangbi and Effort seem to have a good grasp of the game and strategies, they need more work but they're not too bad. Flash needs more work, at least on his TvZ, cuz he didn't put pressure on Effort at all who proceeded to drone like mad and max within the first 10-11 minutes or so, but his macro's there. Jaedong REALLY needs more practice, he had good mechanics but strategically and decision-making wise, he was totally out of sorts.

i think flash's biggest problem with sc2 is that he is stuck in the bw mentality of "the longer the game goes with me macroing right the farther ahead i am" which is true when you're building the bw superarmy of terran esp if you're flash but in sc2 terrans generally need to do damage to protoss and to pressure zergs to prevent absolute drone freedom

when flash catches on to this he will improve rapidly just from applying the concept...this however will be difficult for him as he has held the same lategame or bust mindset for so many years in bw (when he doesn't cheese that is)

His problem is that he hasn't been playing the game long enough.

He probably understands all of this concepts significantly better than you do, the difference is actually implementing them properly when for years he's been playing with bw concepts of armies and economic relationships.


i wouldn't doubt that he would understand the concepts with a far more in depth view than me but that doesn't change the level of difficulty there is in changing a mindset
as for him playing the game long enough, this is more along the lines of general decision making and build refinement
the ability to apply broad concepts is something that only requires the theory to begin with from there you can build up rather quickly

particularly the concept of dropping and pressuring rather than just sitting there turtling and macroing
that literally can be done in a game with the right mindset (longer to truly refine it but the initial effects of changing that view are huge)

this is similar to jaedong fleeing up his ramp yesterday and having his whole roach army trapped in his main it's just a broad thing that they just haven't adjusted to yet
(i highly doubt that jaedong hadn't experienced a chain ff'd ramp before)
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
May 21 2012 07:16 GMT
#448
man this chick can talk
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
May 21 2012 07:17 GMT
#449
On May 21 2012 16:15 iMYoonA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 16:14 Samp wrote:
what does it mean when the commentators say : "deh", is it like "yes"?
they say "neh" too ;O


just agreement mate


It's like you were talking with someone and showing agreement while the other guy was talking, "yes!" "absolutley" "hell yes" "of course" "right on you sexy man" and so on
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 21 2012 07:17 GMT
#450
unpausing finally
Le French
Profile Joined December 2011
France782 Posts
May 21 2012 07:17 GMT
#451
What is the problem? Can't they just replace the hardware?
Ca va?
pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
May 21 2012 07:17 GMT
#452
dat reflex guardian shield
EG-TL!
b0mBerMan
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan271 Posts
May 21 2012 07:17 GMT
#453
finally resumed
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
May 21 2012 07:17 GMT
#454
On May 21 2012 16:15 Inhumane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 16:14 Samp wrote:
what does it mean when the commentators say : "deh", is it like "yes"?


It's Neh and you are correct, it means yes

Next Question:

What does it mean when it sounds like the female caster is hacking a loogie?
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
May 21 2012 07:17 GMT
#455
On May 21 2012 16:15 Clafou wrote:
kespa members are serious as shit.

Ya, you'd think they were handling chemical weaponry or some shit. They are famous for this kinna crap.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
May 21 2012 07:17 GMT
#456
On May 21 2012 16:14 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 16:11 Acritter wrote:
On May 21 2012 16:09 Swords wrote:
On May 21 2012 16:07 Acritter wrote:
On May 21 2012 16:04 Swords wrote:
On May 21 2012 16:00 Acritter wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:58 Kommander wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:55 Nibbler89 wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:50 Emporio wrote:
I haven't had a chance to watch any of the PL. Is the SC2 any good (compared to actual SC2 pros)?

It's been a wide range, some have shown potential and some are so clueless about how the game works that when the two get paired versus each other it's hard to tell how the one's looking good would do versus an actually good player.


Yup, Jangbi and Effort seem to have a good grasp of the game and strategies, they need more work but they're not too bad. Flash needs more work, at least on his TvZ, cuz he didn't put pressure on Effort at all who proceeded to drone like mad and max within the first 10-11 minutes or so, but his macro's there. Jaedong REALLY needs more practice, he had good mechanics but strategically and decision-making wise, he was totally out of sorts.

I will never forgive Effort for sacrificing over half his Mutalisks to a single Thor.


To me this is what makes this so entertaining. What stuck out to me yesterday was JD roaving the map with 3-4 groups of 10 roaches, microing each group perfectly. Then, when the toss moved out he didn't engage at all, fled up his ramp into his main, and send one of the groups to his opponents base to snipe pylons and almost nothing else. He was so mechanically on top of everything and then made every single wrong decision possible. They just don't understand simple metagame/basic game knowledge, but have ridiculous APM/reaction times/minimap awareness, which leads to some really bizarre and comical situations. As they get better the games will start being sick instead of just funny.

Some of those mindsets, though, are just so WRONG... There's no excuse for simply letting your units die like that. Did he not know what Thors were? Did he have his health bars set to selected? Did he simply decide "fuck this, I'm better with 11 Mutas like in the glory days"?

Maybe I'm wrong, but some of this stuff is just insane.



I mean, he's playing two games at once. One game you're supposed to keep your mutas in the tightest ball possible against terran and the other game you're supposed to keep them as spread out as possible. I imagine you might just not be able to switch mentalities immediately. Especially if you're Effort and have been stacking your mutas for years now.

Even when those Mutas are stacked, you don't run them into the middle of a pack of Marine+Medic.


Well did he run into marines or one thor? If it was one Thor and he hasn't played a ton and thinks he can snipe the Thor like you can snipe turrets with mutas in BW then I can see something like that happening.

I agree that a lot of it seems insane, but I don't think that's to be unexpected - they are training two completely different games at once, one of which they've barely trained for. What really got me yesterday was the nexus drive-by with an entire mmm ball that ended up killing nothing and losing the entire army.

Just not knowing something so basic is saddening. It's like not dodging a Storm.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 07:18:48
May 21 2012 07:18 GMT
#457
Horang'2s base is gorgeous. Seems like he carried that over
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 07:18:37
May 21 2012 07:18 GMT
#458
hoon expanding and going colossus, horang2 getting a templar archives likely transitioning into chargelot/archon
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
May 21 2012 07:18 GMT
#459
Horang2's gates are as pretty as always :D
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Balgrog
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1221 Posts
May 21 2012 07:18 GMT
#460
I think all the Protoss winning stuff is the fact that it is easier to take advantage of timings as a protoss, and they are all still pretty new to the game, hopefully they don't all switch to toss and it will just be 100 PvP's
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