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whirlpool
Profile Joined June 2011
2788 Posts
May 21 2012 07:18 GMT
#461
lol double expo pvp
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 07:19:23
May 21 2012 07:18 GMT
#462
On May 21 2012 16:14 Kavas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 16:12 ZeromuS wrote:
On May 21 2012 16:10 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
On May 21 2012 16:09 ZeromuS wrote:
On May 21 2012 16:05 Le French wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:58 ZeromuS wrote:
Watching Jaehoon was frustrating.

7 minute 3 gate pressure with a far away proxy pylon and his WG tech finishing 20 seconds before the extra gates. I honestly wonder how much sc2 he has played because the timings were horrible there. I can hit more crisp timings with my 3 gate build

Really now?


His build was bad. He is better than me but his build was bad and poorly executed. It was timed oddly and he didn't have any tech behind his attack and his timing for the attack was late.

If he had hit earlier at a better timing against Horangii who had no sentry, and only 3 stalkers and blink half done and only 2 gates of production he would have won easily.

So, yes. Watching these games are frustrating, the decisions and timings on the builds are not anywhere near as good as we the SC2 community want to see and are expecting from these BW pros especially when there is a ton of "end of current sc2 era" hype being thrown around.


3 gate pressure is meant to hit a little after 5 minutes. To get it at 7 minutes is just...


As Ryo said they are trying their best but the problem is that behind all the hype I was really expecting a lot more. It wouldnt take more than 2 hours for someone as good as these players to learn to 4 gate or 3 gate pressure with follow up so that is my issue.

The need to focus on two games is just causing poor games for both BW and SC2 so far.

Not quite true. Other teams are doing decent if not well. T8 just looks bad. Wouldn't surprise me if they lose every single match this season.

Poor Jaedong

Team 8 just don't have enough practice partners and coaches. Other teams have 1 coach for each race. And until recently, their living conditions weren't great as well, not to mention the uncertainty and stress from having no sponsor. This season, some of their players also received a salary cutback. It's really hard to do perform under these conditions.
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Monocle
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1509 Posts
May 21 2012 07:18 GMT
#463
Horang2 has great building placement even in SC2
WickedBit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States343 Posts
May 21 2012 07:18 GMT
#464
On May 21 2012 16:05 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 16:03 unit wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:58 Kommander wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:55 Nibbler89 wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:50 Emporio wrote:
I haven't had a chance to watch any of the PL. Is the SC2 any good (compared to actual SC2 pros)?

It's been a wide range, some have shown potential and some are so clueless about how the game works that when the two get paired versus each other it's hard to tell how the one's looking good would do versus an actually good player.


Yup, Jangbi and Effort seem to have a good grasp of the game and strategies, they need more work but they're not too bad. Flash needs more work, at least on his TvZ, cuz he didn't put pressure on Effort at all who proceeded to drone like mad and max within the first 10-11 minutes or so, but his macro's there. Jaedong REALLY needs more practice, he had good mechanics but strategically and decision-making wise, he was totally out of sorts.

i think flash's biggest problem with sc2 is that he is stuck in the bw mentality of "the longer the game goes with me macroing right the farther ahead i am" which is true when you're building the bw superarmy of terran esp if you're flash but in sc2 terrans generally need to do damage to protoss and to pressure zergs to prevent absolute drone freedom

when flash catches on to this he will improve rapidly just from applying the concept...this however will be difficult for him as he has held the same lategame or bust mindset for so many years in bw (when he doesn't cheese that is)

His problem is that he hasn't been playing the game long enough.

He probably understands all of this concepts significantly better than you do, the difference is actually implementing them properly when for years he's been playing with bw concepts of armies and economic relationships.


Agreed. I am fairly sure that all BW players playing terran in SC2 know that terrans need to constantly pressure in all matchups. I don't know anyone who will win a TvZ with turtling and the same goes for TvP. Its constant harrassing and dropping and attacking on multiple points, sniping key tech buildings etc. The insane amounts of high DPS harassing options give terran this ability that protoss simply lacks. In fact so far protoss and zerg were having a hard time dealing with all these variations that terran could throw at them till Blizzard buffed them to a point where zerg is competitive and protoss may be borderline OP.
But knowing this information is different from implementing. I am sure Flash knew he had to pressure Effort at some point, but at what ? If he leaves base too early or too late his army gets decimated. If he attacks at wrong points it will give his opponent more time. All these things only come with practice which these players have had very little off. I think a month or two into this we will start seeing more refined plays. Till then I am afraid we will probably see toss winning till some terran figures out how make two raxes before an expansion or discovers the banshee :D. All it all fairly amusing to see .
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
May 21 2012 07:19 GMT
#465
Horang2 = sim city Bonjwa
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
May 21 2012 07:19 GMT
#466
On May 21 2012 16:18 Swords wrote:
Horang'2s base is gorgeous. Seems like he carried that over


looks like a base on Fastest Map o_O
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
May 21 2012 07:19 GMT
#467
On May 21 2012 16:15 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 16:12 ZeromuS wrote:
On May 21 2012 16:10 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
On May 21 2012 16:09 ZeromuS wrote:
On May 21 2012 16:05 Le French wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:58 ZeromuS wrote:
Watching Jaehoon was frustrating.

7 minute 3 gate pressure with a far away proxy pylon and his WG tech finishing 20 seconds before the extra gates. I honestly wonder how much sc2 he has played because the timings were horrible there. I can hit more crisp timings with my 3 gate build

Really now?


His build was bad. He is better than me but his build was bad and poorly executed. It was timed oddly and he didn't have any tech behind his attack and his timing for the attack was late.

If he had hit earlier at a better timing against Horangii who had no sentry, and only 3 stalkers and blink half done and only 2 gates of production he would have won easily.

So, yes. Watching these games are frustrating, the decisions and timings on the builds are not anywhere near as good as we the SC2 community want to see and are expecting from these BW pros especially when there is a ton of "end of current sc2 era" hype being thrown around.


3 gate pressure is meant to hit a little after 5 minutes. To get it at 7 minutes is just...


As Ryo said they are trying their best but the problem is that behind all the hype I was really expecting a lot more. It wouldnt take more than 2 hours for someone as good as these players to learn to 4 gate or 3 gate pressure with follow up so that is my issue.

The need to focus on two games is just causing poor games for both BW and SC2 so far.


Maybe the keyboard fucked him up

But yeah, seeing both BW and SC2 played at a lower level because of this system is a bummer.


bummer ?

it fuckin sucks is the more proper way to put it...
T H C makes ppl happy
Colpan
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States196 Posts
May 21 2012 07:19 GMT
#468
On May 21 2012 16:17 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 16:15 Inhumane wrote:
On May 21 2012 16:14 Samp wrote:
what does it mean when the commentators say : "deh", is it like "yes"?


It's Neh and you are correct, it means yes

Next Question:

What does it mean when it sounds like the female caster is hacking a loogie?


Its just a way of emphasis. The word is not always the same. Like if she was saying the word for "big", it'd basically be like very very very big
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
May 21 2012 07:20 GMT
#469
what a steamroll......
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
May 21 2012 07:20 GMT
#470
That was very upsetting
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 21 2012 07:20 GMT
#471
horang2 runs him over with charge/archon before colossus range is done

gg CJ wins sc2 games 2-0 and ends the series
Nibbler89
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
884 Posts
May 21 2012 07:20 GMT
#472
was well worth the wait.
xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
May 21 2012 07:20 GMT
#473
such a long pause for such a quick steamrolling ;;
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 21 2012 07:20 GMT
#474
Jaehoon mad as fuck.

T8 breaking before our eyes.
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GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
May 21 2012 07:20 GMT
#475
What is team 8 going to do...
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 21 2012 07:20 GMT
#476
Couldn't tell who won the game. Both pretty unimpressed. lol
I had a good night of sleep.
b0mBerMan
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan271 Posts
May 21 2012 07:21 GMT
#477
lol was shit
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
May 21 2012 07:21 GMT
#478
Well, that was that. Jaedong 8, you are the new Jaedong oz.
Where is my ACE flair
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
May 21 2012 07:21 GMT
#479
On May 21 2012 16:20 Fionn wrote:
Jaehoon mad as fuck.

T8 breaking before our eyes.

Nothing ever goes right for their players.
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Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
May 21 2012 07:21 GMT
#480
I guess that's why team 8 really really really really wanted a regame and fought the decision for 20 minutes.
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