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On May 21 2012 16:00 Lann555 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 15:59 vnlegend wrote:On May 21 2012 15:55 b0mBerMan wrote:On May 21 2012 15:30 rysecake wrote:On May 21 2012 15:21 Falconblade wrote:
Not too impressed with the level of SC2 play I've seen so far. It just seems like Korean Masters level, except for Effort who looked pretty good vs. Flash. He might be a touch under what I may see from a mid-class foreigner. The others look a fair bit below mid-tier foreigner. Still lots of time to improve though. lmao if you think people like incontrol can match these players you needa give me some of what you're smoking lol yeah. ive only seen a few games by these broodwars players, but nowehere is incontrol even in their level based on what im seeing Desrow beat Flash pretty easily. Even though Incontrol isn't that good, I'd still wager he's slightly better than Desrow. InControl is probably one of the worst players that is still considered a pro-player. I'd say he is the underdog vs most random high EU masters. And this is coming from someone who kinda likes Incontrol. But his play has been terrible for a long time now :D
How on earth are you able to spew out so much nonsense? You must be living in 2011, because in 2012 iNcontrol's play has improved by two suns and a moon, it's two entirely different players..
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On May 21 2012 16:02 IshinShishi wrote:
Verdict was given and since protoss doesn't lose they are banned from PL till further notice.
True Statement. They are talking to the coach right now to decide if he wants to keep the same player off racing or substitute him.
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Which stream is English. They seemed to be stuck
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PLEASE dont disqualify jaehoon, I wanna see this game play out 
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Wonder what the koreans are saying, I imagine it's nothing like tastosis during down time lol.
"well technology is the vehicile of e-sports guys, artosis what is your favorite food?"
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lol random fangirls in the background have just arrived
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On May 21 2012 16:00 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 15:58 Kommander wrote:On May 21 2012 15:55 Nibbler89 wrote:On May 21 2012 15:50 Emporio wrote:
I haven't had a chance to watch any of the PL. Is the SC2 any good (compared to actual SC2 pros)? It's been a wide range, some have shown potential and some are so clueless about how the game works that when the two get paired versus each other it's hard to tell how the one's looking good would do versus an actually good player. Yup, Jangbi and Effort seem to have a good grasp of the game and strategies, they need more work but they're not too bad. Flash needs more work, at least on his TvZ, cuz he didn't put pressure on Effort at all who proceeded to drone like mad and max within the first 10-11 minutes or so, but his macro's there. Jaedong REALLY needs more practice, he had good mechanics but strategically and decision-making wise, he was totally out of sorts. I will never forgive Effort for sacrificing over half his Mutalisks to a single Thor.
To me this is what makes this so entertaining. What stuck out to me yesterday was JD roaving the map with 3-4 groups of 10 roaches, microing each group perfectly. Then, when the toss moved out he didn't engage at all, fled up his ramp into his main, and send one of the groups to his opponents base to snipe pylons and almost nothing else. He was so mechanically on top of everything and then made every single wrong decision possible. They just don't understand simple metagame/basic game knowledge, but have ridiculous APM/reaction times/minimap awareness, which leads to some really bizarre and comical situations. As they get better the games will start being sick instead of just funny.
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On May 21 2012 16:03 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 15:59 vnlegend wrote:On May 21 2012 15:55 b0mBerMan wrote:On May 21 2012 15:30 rysecake wrote:On May 21 2012 15:21 Falconblade wrote:
Not too impressed with the level of SC2 play I've seen so far. It just seems like Korean Masters level, except for Effort who looked pretty good vs. Flash. He might be a touch under what I may see from a mid-class foreigner. The others look a fair bit below mid-tier foreigner. Still lots of time to improve though. lmao if you think people like incontrol can match these players you needa give me some of what you're smoking lol yeah. ive only seen a few games by these broodwars players, but nowehere is incontrol even in their level based on what im seeing Desrow beat Flash pretty easily. Even though Incontrol isn't that good, I'd still wager he's slightly better than Desrow. That doesn't mean shit. Flash is ranked higher than DesRow but a decent amount on the KR Ladder, one loss doesn't mean anything about who is better (but who knows, maybe he is better?). I'm 2-0 against MVPTails, does that mean I'm one of the best NA players? No, it means I'm lucky as shit (because I srsly was the last time we played).
Ladder rank means about as much as a random win...
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On May 21 2012 16:03 unit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 15:58 Kommander wrote:On May 21 2012 15:55 Nibbler89 wrote:On May 21 2012 15:50 Emporio wrote:
I haven't had a chance to watch any of the PL. Is the SC2 any good (compared to actual SC2 pros)? It's been a wide range, some have shown potential and some are so clueless about how the game works that when the two get paired versus each other it's hard to tell how the one's looking good would do versus an actually good player. Yup, Jangbi and Effort seem to have a good grasp of the game and strategies, they need more work but they're not too bad. Flash needs more work, at least on his TvZ, cuz he didn't put pressure on Effort at all who proceeded to drone like mad and max within the first 10-11 minutes or so, but his macro's there. Jaedong REALLY needs more practice, he had good mechanics but strategically and decision-making wise, he was totally out of sorts. i think flash's biggest problem with sc2 is that he is stuck in the bw mentality of "the longer the game goes with me macroing right the farther ahead i am" which is true when you're building the bw superarmy of terran esp if you're flash but in sc2 terrans generally need to do damage to protoss and to pressure zergs to prevent absolute drone freedom when flash catches on to this he will improve rapidly just from applying the concept...this however will be difficult for him as he has held the same lategame or bust mindset for so many years in bw (when he doesn't cheese that is)
Or to put it in more simpler terms, Flash needs to stop turtling. Terran isn't the turtle race in SC2, Protoss is. If he wants to turtle he should switch to Protoss. 
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On May 21 2012 16:00 Lann555 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 15:59 vnlegend wrote:On May 21 2012 15:55 b0mBerMan wrote:On May 21 2012 15:30 rysecake wrote:On May 21 2012 15:21 Falconblade wrote:
Not too impressed with the level of SC2 play I've seen so far. It just seems like Korean Masters level, except for Effort who looked pretty good vs. Flash. He might be a touch under what I may see from a mid-class foreigner. The others look a fair bit below mid-tier foreigner. Still lots of time to improve though. lmao if you think people like incontrol can match these players you needa give me some of what you're smoking lol yeah. ive only seen a few games by these broodwars players, but nowehere is incontrol even in their level based on what im seeing Desrow beat Flash pretty easily. Even though Incontrol isn't that good, I'd still wager he's slightly better than Desrow. InControl is probably one of the worst players that is still considered a pro-player. I'd say he is the underdog vs most random high EU masters. And this is coming from someone who kinda likes Incontrol. But his play has been terrible for a long time now :D
a lot of people understimate incontrol. I've watched his stream and he's not bad actually. He's beaten multiple GMs and high masters just in the few hours i've watched. And i'm not talking about the noname guys that get up talk by half luck half timing, but legitimate top3 masters and GMs.
EDIT: That girl has lungs worthy of a god.
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On May 21 2012 16:03 unit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 15:58 Kommander wrote:On May 21 2012 15:55 Nibbler89 wrote:On May 21 2012 15:50 Emporio wrote:
I haven't had a chance to watch any of the PL. Is the SC2 any good (compared to actual SC2 pros)? It's been a wide range, some have shown potential and some are so clueless about how the game works that when the two get paired versus each other it's hard to tell how the one's looking good would do versus an actually good player. Yup, Jangbi and Effort seem to have a good grasp of the game and strategies, they need more work but they're not too bad. Flash needs more work, at least on his TvZ, cuz he didn't put pressure on Effort at all who proceeded to drone like mad and max within the first 10-11 minutes or so, but his macro's there. Jaedong REALLY needs more practice, he had good mechanics but strategically and decision-making wise, he was totally out of sorts. i think flash's biggest problem with sc2 is that he is stuck in the bw mentality of "the longer the game goes with me macroing right the farther ahead i am" which is true when you're building the bw superarmy of terran esp if you're flash but in sc2 terrans generally need to do damage to protoss and to pressure zergs to prevent absolute drone freedom when flash catches on to this he will improve rapidly just from applying the concept...this however will be difficult for him as he has held the same lategame or bust mindset for so many years in bw (when he doesn't cheese that is)
His problem is that he hasn't been playing the game long enough.
He probably understands all of this concepts significantly better than you do, the difference is actually implementing them properly when for years he's been playing with bw concepts of armies and economic relationships.
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On May 21 2012 16:04 xxpack09 wrote:PLEASE dont disqualify jaehoon, I wanna see this game play out
He won't get disqualified. Tech problem.
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On May 21 2012 16:03 VENDIZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 16:00 Lann555 wrote:On May 21 2012 15:59 vnlegend wrote:On May 21 2012 15:55 b0mBerMan wrote:On May 21 2012 15:30 rysecake wrote:On May 21 2012 15:21 Falconblade wrote:
Not too impressed with the level of SC2 play I've seen so far. It just seems like Korean Masters level, except for Effort who looked pretty good vs. Flash. He might be a touch under what I may see from a mid-class foreigner. The others look a fair bit below mid-tier foreigner. Still lots of time to improve though. lmao if you think people like incontrol can match these players you needa give me some of what you're smoking lol yeah. ive only seen a few games by these broodwars players, but nowehere is incontrol even in their level based on what im seeing Desrow beat Flash pretty easily. Even though Incontrol isn't that good, I'd still wager he's slightly better than Desrow. InControl is probably one of the worst players that is still considered a pro-player. I'd say he is the underdog vs most random high EU masters. And this is coming from someone who kinda likes Incontrol. But his play has been terrible for a long time now :D How on earth are you able to spew out so much nonsense? You must be living in 2011, because in 2012 iNcontrol's play has improved by two suns and a moon, it's two entirely different players..
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1139&part=games&vs=all&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2012&from_month=1&from_day=1&to_year=2012&to_month=5&to_day=18&action=Update
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What the hell are they doing? Discussion how imbalance Protoss is, or what?
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On May 21 2012 16:03 unit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 15:58 Kommander wrote:On May 21 2012 15:55 Nibbler89 wrote:On May 21 2012 15:50 Emporio wrote:
I haven't had a chance to watch any of the PL. Is the SC2 any good (compared to actual SC2 pros)? It's been a wide range, some have shown potential and some are so clueless about how the game works that when the two get paired versus each other it's hard to tell how the one's looking good would do versus an actually good player. Yup, Jangbi and Effort seem to have a good grasp of the game and strategies, they need more work but they're not too bad. Flash needs more work, at least on his TvZ, cuz he didn't put pressure on Effort at all who proceeded to drone like mad and max within the first 10-11 minutes or so, but his macro's there. Jaedong REALLY needs more practice, he had good mechanics but strategically and decision-making wise, he was totally out of sorts. i think flash's biggest problem with sc2 is that he is stuck in the bw mentality of "the longer the game goes with me macroing right the farther ahead i am" which is true when you're building the bw superarmy of terran esp if you're flash but in sc2 terrans generally need to do damage to protoss and to pressure zergs to prevent absolute drone freedom when flash catches on to this he will improve rapidly just from applying the concept...this however will be difficult for him as he has held the same lategame or bust mindset for so many years in bw (when he doesn't cheese that is)
I have nfi how you can work all this out from 1 game, a game in which if he'd held the initial bust he would've been miles ahead
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On May 21 2012 15:58 ZeromuS wrote:Watching Jaehoon was frustrating. 7 minute 3 gate pressure with a far away proxy pylon and his WG tech finishing 20 seconds before the extra gates. I honestly wonder how much sc2 he has played because the timings were horrible there. I can hit more crisp timings with my 3 gate build
Really now?
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On May 21 2012 16:03 VENDIZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 16:00 Lann555 wrote:On May 21 2012 15:59 vnlegend wrote:On May 21 2012 15:55 b0mBerMan wrote:On May 21 2012 15:30 rysecake wrote:On May 21 2012 15:21 Falconblade wrote:
Not too impressed with the level of SC2 play I've seen so far. It just seems like Korean Masters level, except for Effort who looked pretty good vs. Flash. He might be a touch under what I may see from a mid-class foreigner. The others look a fair bit below mid-tier foreigner. Still lots of time to improve though. lmao if you think people like incontrol can match these players you needa give me some of what you're smoking lol yeah. ive only seen a few games by these broodwars players, but nowehere is incontrol even in their level based on what im seeing Desrow beat Flash pretty easily. Even though Incontrol isn't that good, I'd still wager he's slightly better than Desrow. InControl is probably one of the worst players that is still considered a pro-player. I'd say he is the underdog vs most random high EU masters. And this is coming from someone who kinda likes Incontrol. But his play has been terrible for a long time now :D How on earth are you able to spew out so much nonsense? You must be living in 2011, because in 2012 iNcontrol's play has improved by two suns and a moon, it's two entirely different players..
I think its just popular to bash Incontrol. I see it a lot and of course Incontrol isn't amazing, hes not a bad player.
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On May 21 2012 16:04 Swords wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 16:00 Acritter wrote:On May 21 2012 15:58 Kommander wrote:On May 21 2012 15:55 Nibbler89 wrote:On May 21 2012 15:50 Emporio wrote:
I haven't had a chance to watch any of the PL. Is the SC2 any good (compared to actual SC2 pros)? It's been a wide range, some have shown potential and some are so clueless about how the game works that when the two get paired versus each other it's hard to tell how the one's looking good would do versus an actually good player. Yup, Jangbi and Effort seem to have a good grasp of the game and strategies, they need more work but they're not too bad. Flash needs more work, at least on his TvZ, cuz he didn't put pressure on Effort at all who proceeded to drone like mad and max within the first 10-11 minutes or so, but his macro's there. Jaedong REALLY needs more practice, he had good mechanics but strategically and decision-making wise, he was totally out of sorts. I will never forgive Effort for sacrificing over half his Mutalisks to a single Thor. To me this is what makes this so entertaining. What stuck out to me yesterday was JD roaving the map with 3-4 groups of 10 roaches, microing each group perfectly. Then, when the toss moved out he didn't engage at all, fled up his ramp into his main, and send one of the groups to his opponents base to snipe pylons and almost nothing else. He was so mechanically on top of everything and then made every single wrong decision possible. They just don't understand simple metagame/basic game knowledge, but have ridiculous APM/reaction times/minimap awareness, which leads to some really bizarre and comical situations. As they get better the games will start being sick instead of just funny.
I can't wait for them to incorporate backstabs in SC2. Pretty rare in today's ball vs ball world.
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EPT
