EPTOn May 03 2012 20:38 sc2holar wrote:
PvP is a good matchup nowdays, get with the times.
PvP is a good matchup nowdays, get with the times.
You're delusional if you actually think that.
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
You're delusional if you actually think that. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On May 04 2012 02:55 lorkac wrote: Will still be the shortest finals  I'm damn pumped for a pvp! One of my face matches to watch! Well, not counting the traditional pre-game concert of course <3 | ||
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Sikly
United States413 Posts
On paper Squirtle should beat Hero, but in the end its PvP and Hero's unit control is so incredible he could easily win it. Really interested to see how it all works out. I really just hope MVP beats Parting so we can have a non PvP final, the matchup has made leaps and bounds but it still isn't nearly good enough for me to want to ever watch a final come down to it. Also for those saying a PvP would be the worse finals ever, I still think Inca can take credit for that, and Nestea demolishing Losira can't be any better than the worse that can happen in a PvP final. | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On May 04 2012 02:48 lorkac wrote: Oh god... 10 years from now the Ro4 will be a 32 man double elimination protoss only sub tourney of the gsl  1 good season for protoss out of like 15. OH GOD THE WORLD WILL END. Calm down. There are a lot of very good korean protoss players right now. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On May 03 2012 20:37 Herry wrote: Terrans need to change their tune. Protoss' keep winning and just they keep making MMM. Someone has to figure out that bio just isnt working anymore, all top toss' are way to good. Mech is a lot worse and biomech is ultimately less efficient outside of 1-2 base timings/all-ins. There aren't alternatives thanks to every Protoss unit except sentries countering all factory units. People need to stop pretending like Terran can just pick a different style. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On May 04 2012 02:58 forsooth wrote: Mech is a lot worse and biomech is ultimately less efficient outside of 1-2 base timings/all-ins. There aren't alternatives thanks to every Protoss unit except sentries countering all factory units. People need to stop pretending like Terran can just pick a different style. Its not just all-factory units its also all Starport units. Something needs to be done with the expensive 6 supply Terran units BC's or Thors should force a similar response to Colossi / Broodlords . Right now the Toss just needs to keep on building his usual unit composition with a few minor tweaks and he's basically fine against those two. Colossi/Broodlords on the other hand force Vikings/Corrupters which are basically useless outside of killing the Colossi. Not sure how to change this though. | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
On May 04 2012 03:08 s3rp wrote: Its not just all-factory units its also all Starport units. Something needs to be done with the expensive 6 supply Terran units BC's or Thors should force a similar response to Colossi / Broodlords . Right now the Toss just needs to keep on building his usual unit composition with a few minor tweaks and he's basically fine against those two. Colossi/Broodlords on the other hand force Vikings/Corrupters which are basically useless outside of killing the Colossi. Not sure how to change this though. Battlecruisers start with Yomato on a 1 minute timer starting from first creation and have no Energy. It's always seemed simple to me, since it won't effect the vs Zerg match up at all but will make them good against Toss. | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
And btw so depressed to see Terran lost hopelessly lol. They melted like butter under the hot knife against storms. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On May 04 2012 03:15 Figgy wrote: Battlecruisers start with Yomato on a 1 minute timer starting from first creation and have no Energy. It's always seemed simple to me, since it won't effect the vs Zerg match up at all but will make them good against Toss. Well if you're gonna make BC's viable, then you might as well fix Carriers. I wouldn't have a problem with that from either side's perspective, but it's kinda optimistic thinking imo. | ||
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kubiks
France1328 Posts
On May 04 2012 02:57 Valikyr wrote: 1 good season for protoss out of like 15. OH GOD THE WORLD WILL END. Calm down. There are a lot of very good korean protoss players right now. I think you forgot GSL march a bit too early (you know the GSL that made kaldaryn amulet disapear). This is funny because terran have always been dominant in the GSL, with some season filled with protosses, and zerg always doing bad (I mean the max number of zerg there have been in Ro8 is 3 (the season we got a ZvZ final)) but with one guy winning the tournament  | ||
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power-overwhelming
Canada306 Posts
On May 04 2012 01:58 SniXSniPe wrote: You must have missed all the Terran nerfs. Bunkers had a small nerf. Barracks building time was nerfed. EMP was nerfed. Reapers were nerfed. Stimpack was nerfed. BFH were nerfed. Thors were nerfed. Only nerf I can think of for Protoss is their storm. They were buffed for immortals, forge upgrades, and archons (splash, or was that in the beta? I don't remember). Now you wonder why Terran was dominate in the start of SC2, as well as having maps favorable to T back in the day for the most part? And also, it is true there are more BW pros playing Terran than the other races, take it for what you will however. Let me dissect your Terran nerfs 1. Bunker 100% salvage never made any sense. What kind of game design allows someone to make buildings and get full refund for it? Be thankful you get 75% back 2. Barracks time was nerf to the same time as other tier 1 unit builder. Why should Barracks build 5 second faster than Gateway? 3. EMP radius was nerfed to THE SAME SIZE AS STORM. Why the hell should EMP, an ability that COMES IN FREE, from a unit that is faster, more range, and has the ability to cloak and MORE ENERGY, be bigger in size than storm? 4. Reapers nerfed because a unit that ignores pathing doing that much dmg is bad game design. Terran already has something like that called vikings 5. Stimpack nerf.. as if Stimpack is even an issue now 6. BFH nerf. Well when terrans can just build 10 hellions and roast 80 workers then it's imbalance 7. Thors nerfed. Lol coz they are underpowered right now right? Funny thing is, those nerf happened because Terran as race started overpowered as shit to begin with. Think of it this way, it took all those nerf for both races to catch up to Terran. Now that MU are nearing 50% win rate better players are winning regardless of race. | ||
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Genome852
United States979 Posts
And if you think thors and colossus are equally effective in TvP you're being delusional.. (one is much scarier in the MU and fires lasers) On May 03 2012 22:27 sc2holar wrote: Stim reasearch time and snipe nerf are the only terran nerfs that really made a huge impact. 15 less tank damage against unarmored units, and blue flame nerf were also big. You forgot about those. NOT to say that they weren't warranted. | ||
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dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45222 Posts
Always nice to see more Terrans out ♥ The fact that they were roflstomps was quite interesting. | ||
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
When Thorzain won 1 game with Thors, they were insta-nerfed. Now Protosses are slaughtering everyone left and right, nothing. User was warned for this post | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
On May 04 2012 02:58 forsooth wrote: Mech is a lot worse and biomech is ultimately less efficient outside of 1-2 base timings/all-ins. There aren't alternatives thanks to every Protoss unit except sentries countering all factory units. People need to stop pretending like Terran can just pick a different style. I cannot count how many times i've lost to tanks and I've seen other pros lose to tanks. This whole notion that mech is bad vs Protoss is nonsense. Pure mech is bad,but bio mech is pretty good. Tanks are a real annoyance to say the least. | ||
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Assaulter
Lithuania324 Posts
On May 04 2012 03:50 power-overwhelming wrote: Let me dissect your Terran nerfs 1. Bunker 100% salvage never made any sense. What kind of game design allows someone to make buildings and get full refund for it? Be thankful you get 75% back 2. Barracks time was nerf to the same time as other tier 1 unit builder. Why should Barracks build 5 second faster than Gateway? 3. EMP radius was nerfed to THE SAME SIZE AS STORM. Why the hell should EMP, an ability that COMES IN FREE, from a unit that is faster, more range, and has the ability to cloak and MORE ENERGY, be bigger in size than storm? 4. Reapers nerfed because a unit that ignores pathing doing that much dmg is bad game design. Terran already has something like that called vikings 5. Stimpack nerf.. as if Stimpack is even an issue now 6. BFH nerf. Well when terrans can just build 10 hellions and roast 80 workers then it's imbalance 7. Thors nerfed. Lol coz they are underpowered right now right? Funny thing is, those nerf happened because Terran as race started overpowered as shit to begin with. Think of it this way, it took all those nerf for both races to catch up to Terran. Now that MU are nearing 50% win rate better players are winning regardless of race. Why the fuck are you trying to justify the nerfs here? He didn't even argue if they were fair or not. Just pointing them out as a reason why Terrans are now struggling | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:06 Havik_ wrote: I cannot count how many times i've lost to tanks and I've seen other pros lose to tanks. This whole notion that mech is bad vs Protoss is nonsense. Pure mech is bad,but bio mech is pretty good. Tanks are a real annoyance to say the least. because some protoss screw up against biomech doesn't mean its good. only time biomech is good is off a 1 or 2 base timing attack. even then it can be beat. it worked for MVP last night in game 1 against naniwa, but naniwa also fucked up and didn't have the unit comp you want against it. watch game 1 of hero vs supernova. mass zealot owned biomech and supernova even had bunkers. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On May 03 2012 23:24 power-overwhelming wrote: I just don't get the whine balance. Why can't people realize that the only reason P is strong is because MC is not the only good Protoss now and that all these Terrans have only been fighting other Terrans and Zergs the past 6 seasons. It's really ironic how when Terrans were dominating since the start of SC2 it was because "best players play Terran" but in this one season Protoss does well it's automatically imbalance lol. All the Protoss who advanced are godly at PvTs.. even Naniwa. If MVP did not cheese him out Naniwa would've advanced and would be a RO4 protoss. Similar to the Super Tournament when it was all Terrans. It's actually not ironic at all, you've just made the common mistake of confusing people who play terran with one giant, homogenous forum poster. 'Hang on, this broad, vast demographic of people has contradicting opinions within itself!' I don't mean to be rude but I'm tired of this argument so I can only respond with NO SHIT MAN. Just in case someone isn't getting it, here's what happens; Terran Player: All the best players are terrans that's why we win so much. Totally Different Guy Who Also Plays Terran: Lol protoss always win because they are imba TT Some Other Dude: Oh but when terran were winning it was just because they were better, you're so biased terran. | ||
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