On May 03 2012 03:34 4ZakeN87 wrote: I dont know if you can argue that a player dont deserve to win when he wins.... but if there ever was a case this one would be pretty close. I mean there is close to no skill in winning with those builds, anyone could have pulled those builds off.
I mean Naniwa should expect it and be able to counter it but yeah... Naniwa lost more then MVP won. Which the Parting MVP match will show. Cause cheesing will obviously not be an option then.
So you agree that Naniwa lost it himself? Good good, this means that even tho MVP didn't prove that he is better than Naniwa, Naniwa proved that he is worst than MVP in the series.
Yeah Naniwa fucked up a bit, he cuts to many corners. But no I would not say that this series mean anything skill wise. I mean since the builds that MVP uses dont require any skill it is really hard to say anything about the match skill wise. It says that Naniwa should practice not to get tilted by his mistakes and not try to play to perfection everytime I guess.
If you take the 10/10 duble gateway cheese in PVP. I think I could do that build to perfection with 25 apm. I have seen progamers go down to that build many times, Mana twice in DH Stockholm for instance. Was actually standing right behind him when it happened. It is just an issue with the game that you can do builds that can win over progamers but which a bronze player can pull off.
not a fan of the strategies MVP chose, but MVP definitely showed that it's better to prepare for the player than the matchup at least in a GSL style tournament
Oz is a maniac. Those were some crazy builds. I'm curious what situations the nexus first build works against, and what he could have done differently.
I'm really impressed with PartinG. He does a lot of little things well. I don't remember him being that amazing in PvP, so I'm curious if this shows his ability to improve over time. If so, he could be an even scarier player in the near future, rather than just a scary PvTer.
I think if he wins this GSL, we can call him the best Protoss in the world. He's the first protoss I've watched since MC that has MC-like execution. Most of the other new protosses have been winning from really good builds and decision-making, but the things I see Parting do with his units just consistently wow me. And he still has the good builds and decision-making of all the other tosses. I'm really hoping next GSL we get a lot more zergs, so we can see if Parting can become as good at PvZ as his PvT.
As for Naniwa-MVP, Naniwa has always been like this. He does a lot of no-scouting greedy play. I can't fault MVP for analyzing Naniwa's play and deciding that cheese was a safe bet. See Leenock vs. Naniwa in that MLG finals. I've never seen someone do the same build and lose to the same cheese so many times in a row. Nani still had a good run, hopefully he can bring some more variety next season.
I wonder just how many of people jumping on MVP's throat in this thread would be going "OMGOMGOMG NANIWA THE BEST FOREIGNER EVER" had Naniwa won 3-1 by going 4gate, 6gate, and 6gate.
On May 03 2012 04:05 udgnim wrote: not a fan of the strategies MVP chose, but MVP definitely showed that it's better to prepare for the player than the matchup at least in a GSL style tournament
Yup, this is why the GSL is such a difficult tournament players have like a week or more to just study their opponents play and create specific strategies just for beating them. A little disappointing we didn't get to see 20+ min epic battles, but MVP chose his strategies well and Naniwa paid for it unfortunately. Well better luck next season Naniwa!
Mvp back in Ro4, Naniwa being exploited for his greedy play again, all is right in the world (other than Oz being completely weird).
Sorry Nani fans, the better player won and it's the player who deserved to win. Nani lost cause he was studied and picked apart by Mvp. This happened to HuK back in the day when Mvp had the hardest tournament run ever. He took HuK apart for a 3-0 even incorporating cheese. The better player chooses the better build and executes it to a win. Nani chose the greedy builds. Mvp chose to counter those builds. Simple as that.
I wonder what he'll do against PartinG though. Should be interesting.
On May 03 2012 04:23 jw232 wrote: Why does the recommended games poll list 5 games for both matches when Naniwa/Mvp only went to 4 games and Parting/Oz only went to 3 games?
I really hope Parting rapes MVP for these freaking boring and abusing games. Then a SuperTvPnova vs Parting finals would be really entertaining to watch ^^
Awful awful night, and I wanted MVP and PartinG to win! The games were just really bad I mean Oz is such a HipsterToss, doing all this creative stuff that just doesn't work ;p its like Oz has his Mac(his creative builds) and PartinG has his PC(standard stuff) and PartinG just facerolls ;p
MVP was scared of losing and couldn't face Naniwa like a man. His extreme urge to win made him cheese, that is true greed. Choosing to play macro isn't greedy.
Same old Naniwa.Cutting too many corners in the early game and not willing to adapt to a new build. This situation was exactly the same as the Leenock vs Naniwa in the MLG providence finals. Naniwa went nexus first 4 times in a row and leenock roach busted him 4 times in a row. People were all hating leenock for those cheeses but leenock exploit naniwa weakness in the early game and punished him for it. That is called smart play.
Dunno why so much hate for MVP when he meta-gamed Naniwa and read him like a book. MVP knew Naniwa greediness in the early game and punished him for it like how Leenock did.
On May 03 2012 04:53 spanjoar wrote: HOW can people say Naniwa was playing greedy????
MVP was scared of losing and couldn't face Naniwa like a man. His extreme urge to win made him cheese, that is true greed. Choosing to play macro isn't greedy.
On May 03 2012 04:53 spanjoar wrote: HOW can people say Naniwa was playing greedy????
MVP was scared of losing and couldn't face Naniwa like a man. His extreme urge to win made him cheese, that is true greed. Choosing to play macro isn't greedy.
On May 03 2012 04:53 spanjoar wrote: HOW can people say Naniwa was playing greedy????
MVP was scared of losing and couldn't face Naniwa like a man. His extreme urge to win made him cheese, that is true greed. Choosing to play macro isn't greedy.
of course he played greedy, he went nexus first almost every game he could. that's econ greed and forces a response from terran blindly executed or not.
People say Naniwa has amazing midgame which I agree with but ONLY because he does this sort of greedy crap in the early game which carries over to the midgame. It's his playstyle to get ahead this way and MVP exploited it. Do you guys think players should just make nexus's and take expos all day
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