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4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 19:06:44
May 02 2012 19:05 GMT
#3981
On May 03 2012 03:44 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 03:34 4ZakeN87 wrote:
I dont know if you can argue that a player dont deserve to win when he wins.... but if there ever was a case this one would be pretty close. I mean there is close to no skill in winning with those builds, anyone could have pulled those builds off.

I mean Naniwa should expect it and be able to counter it but yeah... Naniwa lost more then MVP won. Which the Parting MVP match will show. Cause cheesing will obviously not be an option then.

So you agree that Naniwa lost it himself? Good good, this means that even tho MVP didn't prove that he is better than Naniwa, Naniwa proved that he is worst than MVP in the series.


Yeah Naniwa fucked up a bit, he cuts to many corners. But no I would not say that this series mean anything skill wise. I mean since the builds that MVP uses dont require any skill it is really hard to say anything about the match skill wise. It says that Naniwa should practice not to get tilted by his mistakes and not try to play to perfection everytime I guess.

If you take the 10/10 duble gateway cheese in PVP. I think I could do that build to perfection with 25 apm. I have seen progamers go down to that build many times, Mana twice in DH Stockholm for instance. Was actually standing right behind him when it happened. It is just an issue with the game that you can do builds that can win over progamers but which a bronze player can pull off.
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
May 02 2012 19:05 GMT
#3982
not a fan of the strategies MVP chose, but MVP definitely showed that it's better to prepare for the player than the matchup at least in a GSL style tournament
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Kovaz
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada233 Posts
May 02 2012 19:10 GMT
#3983
Just watched the games.

Oz is a maniac. Those were some crazy builds. I'm curious what situations the nexus first build works against, and what he could have done differently.

I'm really impressed with PartinG. He does a lot of little things well. I don't remember him being that amazing in PvP, so I'm curious if this shows his ability to improve over time. If so, he could be an even scarier player in the near future, rather than just a scary PvTer.

I think if he wins this GSL, we can call him the best Protoss in the world. He's the first protoss I've watched since MC that has MC-like execution. Most of the other new protosses have been winning from really good builds and decision-making, but the things I see Parting do with his units just consistently wow me. And he still has the good builds and decision-making of all the other tosses. I'm really hoping next GSL we get a lot more zergs, so we can see if Parting can become as good at PvZ as his PvT.

As for Naniwa-MVP, Naniwa has always been like this. He does a lot of no-scouting greedy play. I can't fault MVP for analyzing Naniwa's play and deciding that cheese was a safe bet. See Leenock vs. Naniwa in that MLG finals. I've never seen someone do the same build and lose to the same cheese so many times in a row. Nani still had a good run, hopefully he can bring some more variety next season.
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
May 02 2012 19:10 GMT
#3984
I wonder just how many of people jumping on MVP's throat in this thread would be going "OMGOMGOMG NANIWA THE BEST FOREIGNER EVER" had Naniwa won 3-1 by going 4gate, 6gate, and 6gate.
DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
May 02 2012 19:21 GMT
#3985
On May 03 2012 04:05 udgnim wrote:
not a fan of the strategies MVP chose, but MVP definitely showed that it's better to prepare for the player than the matchup at least in a GSL style tournament


Yup, this is why the GSL is such a difficult tournament players have like a week or more to just study their opponents play and create specific strategies just for beating them. A little disappointing we didn't get to see 20+ min epic battles, but MVP chose his strategies well and Naniwa paid for it unfortunately. Well better luck next season Naniwa!

In other news GO PARTING!!!! AND HERO!!!
Plays against every MU with nexus first.
jw232
Profile Joined January 2009
United States157 Posts
May 02 2012 19:23 GMT
#3986
Why does the recommended games poll list 5 games for both matches when Naniwa/Mvp only went to 4 games and Parting/Oz only went to 3 games?
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
May 02 2012 19:25 GMT
#3987
I am blaming both loses on the new haircuts of Naniwa and Oz.

Sucks that both players I wanted to advance lost though
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
May 02 2012 19:26 GMT
#3988
Mvp back in Ro4, Naniwa being exploited for his greedy play again, all is right in the world (other than Oz being completely weird).

Sorry Nani fans, the better player won and it's the player who deserved to win. Nani lost cause he was studied and picked apart by Mvp. This happened to HuK back in the day when Mvp had the hardest tournament run ever. He took HuK apart for a 3-0 even incorporating cheese. The better player chooses the better build and executes it to a win. Nani chose the greedy builds. Mvp chose to counter those builds. Simple as that.

I wonder what he'll do against PartinG though. Should be interesting.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
May 02 2012 19:30 GMT
#3989
On May 03 2012 04:23 jw232 wrote:
Why does the recommended games poll list 5 games for both matches when Naniwa/Mvp only went to 4 games and Parting/Oz only went to 3 games?


to prevent spoiling match results
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
May 02 2012 19:30 GMT
#3990
Wow really sucks for Naniwa, he didn't lose a single straight-up macro game ):
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
May 02 2012 19:32 GMT
#3991
Just watched the Naniwa-MVP game. Disappointing

MVP with the cheese rushes, and Naniwa so close to holding the last game too. Just a few mistakes...
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 19:35:13
May 02 2012 19:33 GMT
#3992
I really hope Parting rapes MVP for these freaking boring and abusing games.
Then a SuperTvPnova vs Parting finals would be really entertaining to watch ^^
Chicken gank op
Mattson
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Canada188 Posts
May 02 2012 19:44 GMT
#3993
I'm so stoked for MVP. He's one of my favorite Terran.

I never understood what the big deal was with NaNiWa. The better man won yesterday.
Cynicism isn't wisdom; it's a lazy way to say that you've been burned. Seems if anything you'd be less certain after everything you ever learned.
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
May 02 2012 19:48 GMT
#3994
Awful awful night, and I wanted MVP and PartinG to win! The games were just really bad I mean Oz is such a HipsterToss, doing all this creative stuff that just doesn't work ;p its like Oz has his Mac(his creative builds) and PartinG has his PC(standard stuff) and PartinG just facerolls ;p

On May 02 2012 19:45 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
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On May 02 2012 19:44 Talack wrote:
This has to be one of the worst nights of GSL ever : /


I dunno why but I'm sitting in my university watching this and just can't stop smiling.


You must be a masochist then
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
spanjoar
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden10 Posts
May 02 2012 19:53 GMT
#3995
HOW can people say Naniwa was playing greedy????

MVP was scared of losing and couldn't face Naniwa like a man. His extreme urge to win made him cheese, that is true greed. Choosing to play macro isn't greedy.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
May 02 2012 19:53 GMT
#3996
Same old Naniwa.Cutting too many corners in the early game and not willing to adapt to a new build.
This situation was exactly the same as the Leenock vs Naniwa in the MLG providence finals.
Naniwa went nexus first 4 times in a row and leenock roach busted him 4 times in a row.
People were all hating leenock for those cheeses but leenock exploit naniwa weakness in the early game and punished him
for it. That is called smart play.

Dunno why so much hate for MVP when he meta-gamed Naniwa and read him like a book.
MVP knew Naniwa greediness in the early game and punished him for it like how Leenock did.
Play your best
VPCursed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
1044 Posts
May 02 2012 19:54 GMT
#3997
well, i guess this is the new way to play tvp?
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
May 02 2012 19:55 GMT
#3998
On May 03 2012 04:53 spanjoar wrote:
HOW can people say Naniwa was playing greedy????

MVP was scared of losing and couldn't face Naniwa like a man. His extreme urge to win made him cheese, that is true greed. Choosing to play macro isn't greedy.


The amount of lol from this post
The Notorious Winkles
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
May 02 2012 19:56 GMT
#3999
On May 03 2012 04:53 spanjoar wrote:
HOW can people say Naniwa was playing greedy????

MVP was scared of losing and couldn't face Naniwa like a man. His extreme urge to win made him cheese, that is true greed. Choosing to play macro isn't greedy.


Really?
People play to win.
Play your best
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
May 02 2012 20:00 GMT
#4000
On May 03 2012 04:53 spanjoar wrote:
HOW can people say Naniwa was playing greedy????

MVP was scared of losing and couldn't face Naniwa like a man. His extreme urge to win made him cheese, that is true greed. Choosing to play macro isn't greedy.


of course he played greedy, he went nexus first almost every game he could. that's econ greed and forces a response from terran blindly executed or not.

People say Naniwa has amazing midgame which I agree with but ONLY because he does this sort of greedy crap in the early game which carries over to the midgame. It's his playstyle to get ahead this way and MVP exploited it. Do you guys think players should just make nexus's and take expos all day
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