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boxturtle
Profile Joined December 2011
United States224 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 21:38:48
May 02 2012 21:34 GMT
#4021
I don't get all this complaining. MVP played standard until he was up 2-0. Why are there 200 pages of hate on MVP? I mean come on, his wrist is screwed up and he just found a doctor for it.

It must be the racists at it again. Why the heck is there always a giant racist circle jerk whenever a white guy loses in GSL or something?
pigtheman
Profile Joined January 2009
United States333 Posts
May 02 2012 21:39 GMT
#4022
On May 03 2012 04:53 spanjoar wrote:
HOW can people say Naniwa was playing greedy????

MVP was scared of losing and couldn't face Naniwa like a man. His extreme urge to win made him cheese, that is true greed. Choosing to play macro isn't greedy.

interesting point
if i go 3 nexus before gateway isn't that a macro build? is that not greedy?
how do you know what MVP is thinking? you must be psychic :O
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Congratulations to MVP and Parting (:

hope to see Hero and Taeja in the semifinals (:
*rawr* d(^_^d)
klops
Profile Joined June 2010
United States674 Posts
May 02 2012 21:48 GMT
#4023
why would a terran want to fight vs chargelots and templar when he can fight vs probes and stalkers?

klops
Profile Joined June 2010
United States674 Posts
May 02 2012 21:49 GMT
#4024
be angry all you want, but game 2 and 4 were poor crisis management by nani. moreso 2 than 4.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
May 02 2012 21:49 GMT
#4025
...well i don't think rationally that MVP should have not cheesed... in fact it'd be silly not to.

1. Naniwa is known for his macro, relatively greedy openings
2. MVP's wrists are still exploding so long games = more pain...

...however I agree that the games could have been more interesting if MVP were so inclined to continue macro games for the whole set
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
May 02 2012 21:50 GMT
#4026
On May 03 2012 05:31 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
I love how Naniwa spent all this time training only to be his normal greedy self, while MVP used the time to actually study his opponent realised how greedy Naniwa is and punished him for it.

That's why MVP is a three time champion of the world and Naniwa is a champion of nothing.


There was probably just one game where he lost that he might have been considered greedy and that was the forge expand game
you live and you learn
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
May 02 2012 21:50 GMT
#4027
On May 03 2012 06:34 boxturtle wrote:
I don't get all this complaining. MVP played standard until he was up 2-0. Why are there 200 pages of hate on MVP? I mean come on, his wrist is screwed up and he just found a doctor for it.

It must be the racists at it again. Why the heck is there always a giant racist circle jerk whenever a white guy loses in GSL or something?


Eh, hold your horses on the racist thing. It happened all the time in BW when someone would cheese an overwhelming favorite player out of a league. Fan boys just hate when their boy(no matter who it is) loses by cheese. People who tend to look at the big picture and enjoy the game know that cheese or "high risk" builds are just part of the charm that makes Starcraft such a great competitive game to follow. Without the possibility of cheese it becomes quite stale.

In the end no one should blame MVP for doing the easiest and most efficient plan to win. Like Herm Edwards said...

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alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
May 02 2012 22:00 GMT
#4028
lol people are mad nani lost. get over it
DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
May 02 2012 22:02 GMT
#4029
Personally i have no problem with cheese but if your going to cheese in a tournament like the GSL you better make sure people remember (*cough* Boxer bunker rush*)
Plays against every MU with nexus first.
anrimayu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States875 Posts
May 02 2012 22:10 GMT
#4030
Cheese me once, shame on you. Cheese me... you cant get cheesed again.
☆*:.。. o(≧▽≦)o .。.:*☆
TORTOISE
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 22:18:01
May 02 2012 22:17 GMT
#4031
Naniwa is a shitty player. But u should keep your hopes up, Faniwa's because he just tweeted that hes gonna be practicing SUPER DUPER hard starting tommorow! :O
◕ ‿‿ ◕ ๑•́ ₃ •̀๑ ( ͡ ° ͜ ʖ ͡°)
Mystogun
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States392 Posts
May 02 2012 22:19 GMT
#4032
I wanted Naniwa to win, but MVP is still MVP. Oh wells, he got pretty far, hopefully we'll see him perform at the same level he did this GSL in the next one.
"What I'm sayin' is that there are known knowns and there are known unknowns, but there's also unknown unknowns, things that we don't know we don't know." | SC2: NoiSe.730 | LoL: Galladiator
mambar
Profile Joined February 2012
United States841 Posts
May 02 2012 22:24 GMT
#4033
On May 03 2012 07:00 GhostKorean wrote:
lol people are mad nani lost. get over it

I'd be mad too if I voted "GSL Champion" on the where do you realistically think Naniwa's run will end poll.
power-overwhelming
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada306 Posts
May 02 2012 22:33 GMT
#4034
It's quite funny to watch this whole fanboy wars. It's basically Naniwa fans vs MVP fans + Naniwa haters. Being neutral let me lay down some truths

1. Naniwa has always been so weak to adjust to cheeses/all-ins like when Leenock destroyed him in providence.

2. MVP has always all-inned cheesed vs protoss.

I do find it a bit annoying the bias though. When MC wins 2 basing it's automatically an all in. But when MVP wins bitbybit it's genius strategy lol.

NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
May 02 2012 22:38 GMT
#4035
It's simple people.

MVP is the winner. He gets the money. He gets the girls.

Naniwa is a loser. He sucks and eats dirt.

It's so simple. No more arguing.

User was warned for this post
Tassadar/TheBest/Jjakji/Rain(terran)/Heart
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 22:47:45
May 02 2012 22:47 GMT
#4036
On May 03 2012 07:33 power-overwhelming wrote:
It's quite funny to watch this whole fanboy wars. It's basically Naniwa fans vs MVP fans + Naniwa haters. Being neutral let me lay down some truths

1. Naniwa has always been so weak to adjust to cheeses/all-ins like when Leenock destroyed him in providence.

2. MVP has always all-inned cheesed vs protoss.

I do find it a bit annoying the bias though. When MC wins 2 basing it's automatically an all in. But when MVP wins bitbybit it's genius strategy lol.



You are very ignorant, every game of Mvp's vs protoss this season has been over 20 minutes until this match.
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 23:05:37
May 02 2012 23:03 GMT
#4037
On May 03 2012 06:49 klops wrote:
be angry all you want, but game 2 and 4 were poor crisis management by nani. moreso 2 than 4.

Agreed.

If you don't want to be cheesed, then don't lose to cheese. Once Naniwa showed poor scouting and poor crisis management with greedy play, why shouldn't MVP exploit the weakness with cheese?
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
May 02 2012 23:13 GMT
#4038
On May 03 2012 07:33 power-overwhelming wrote:
It's quite funny to watch this whole fanboy wars. It's basically Naniwa fans vs MVP fans + Naniwa haters. Being neutral let me lay down some truths

1. Naniwa has always been so weak to adjust to cheeses/all-ins like when Leenock destroyed him in providence.

2. MVP has always all-inned cheesed vs protoss.

I do find it a bit annoying the bias though. When MC wins 2 basing it's automatically an all in. But when MVP wins bitbybit it's genius strategy lol.



It's actually not like that at all.
MC 2 base all-ins "Amazing timing, unit control"
MVP allins "Genius strategy, amazing unit control"

The reason MVP all in'd was probably because his wrists were starting to hurt so he knew if he didnt start going all in he would lose simply due to wrist pain. So it's all good.
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
TheRPGAddict
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1403 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 23:18:42
May 02 2012 23:15 GMT
#4039
On May 02 2012 19:20 Greggle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:17 EnderCraft wrote:
I know everyone is complaining about MVP cheesing; however, remember the fact that MVP has been struggling with carpal tunnel. It makes sense that he went with 1 and 2 base builds.


Boxer has been struggling since before his debut, not of CTS, but its bad enough he had to forfeit, and yet he has ALWAYS tried to give us good games. When he cheeses it's at least creative and not an entire series long.

All I see in MVP now is someone who is falling apart and desperately clinging to what's left of his career by whatever means possible. I'd prefer to see him take a leave of absence as Boxer did if this is all he has left in him.
MVP doesn't owe you ( or any of us ) anything. He plays his games and does whatever he feels is necessary to win. He made reads, varied up his play and took risks and was successful. Just cause the person you didn't want to win won doesn't discredit the victory.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24799 Posts
May 02 2012 23:39 GMT
#4040
On May 03 2012 08:15 TheRPGAddict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:20 Greggle wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:17 EnderCraft wrote:
I know everyone is complaining about MVP cheesing; however, remember the fact that MVP has been struggling with carpal tunnel. It makes sense that he went with 1 and 2 base builds.


Boxer has been struggling since before his debut, not of CTS, but its bad enough he had to forfeit, and yet he has ALWAYS tried to give us good games. When he cheeses it's at least creative and not an entire series long.

All I see in MVP now is someone who is falling apart and desperately clinging to what's left of his career by whatever means possible. I'd prefer to see him take a leave of absence as Boxer did if this is all he has left in him.
MVP doesn't owe you ( or any of us ) anything. He plays his games and does whatever he feels is necessary to win. He made reads, varied up his play and took risks and was successful. Just cause the person you didn't want to win won doesn't discredit the victory.

MVP played some really solid standard TvP games against Puzzle, adjusted his play vs Nani who is known for late scouting and greedy openers.

It's why MVP is a god of Starcraft 2 and we're all judging the GSL from our armchairs, guy knows how to play ffs!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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