• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:37
CEST 02:37
KST 09:37
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL47
Community News
Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)2BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13
StarCraft 2
General
flash bitcoin software Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2) The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group A [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group B RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans?
Tourneys
[BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL19] Grand Finals
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Who’s Getting the Effortless-Chic Look Just Right?
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 18508 users

[Code S] "The Chosen 8" 2012 GSL Season 2 Day 1 - Page 202

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 200 201 202 203 204 Next
boxturtle
Profile Joined December 2011
United States224 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 21:38:48
May 02 2012 21:34 GMT
#4021
I don't get all this complaining. MVP played standard until he was up 2-0. Why are there 200 pages of hate on MVP? I mean come on, his wrist is screwed up and he just found a doctor for it.

It must be the racists at it again. Why the heck is there always a giant racist circle jerk whenever a white guy loses in GSL or something?
pigtheman
Profile Joined January 2009
United States333 Posts
May 02 2012 21:39 GMT
#4022
On May 03 2012 04:53 spanjoar wrote:
HOW can people say Naniwa was playing greedy????

MVP was scared of losing and couldn't face Naniwa like a man. His extreme urge to win made him cheese, that is true greed. Choosing to play macro isn't greedy.

interesting point
if i go 3 nexus before gateway isn't that a macro build? is that not greedy?
how do you know what MVP is thinking? you must be psychic :O
+ Show Spoiler +
Congratulations to MVP and Parting (:

hope to see Hero and Taeja in the semifinals (:
*rawr* d(^_^d)
klops
Profile Joined June 2010
United States674 Posts
May 02 2012 21:48 GMT
#4023
why would a terran want to fight vs chargelots and templar when he can fight vs probes and stalkers?

klops
Profile Joined June 2010
United States674 Posts
May 02 2012 21:49 GMT
#4024
be angry all you want, but game 2 and 4 were poor crisis management by nani. moreso 2 than 4.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
May 02 2012 21:49 GMT
#4025
...well i don't think rationally that MVP should have not cheesed... in fact it'd be silly not to.

1. Naniwa is known for his macro, relatively greedy openings
2. MVP's wrists are still exploding so long games = more pain...

...however I agree that the games could have been more interesting if MVP were so inclined to continue macro games for the whole set
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
May 02 2012 21:50 GMT
#4026
On May 03 2012 05:31 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
I love how Naniwa spent all this time training only to be his normal greedy self, while MVP used the time to actually study his opponent realised how greedy Naniwa is and punished him for it.

That's why MVP is a three time champion of the world and Naniwa is a champion of nothing.


There was probably just one game where he lost that he might have been considered greedy and that was the forge expand game
you live and you learn
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
May 02 2012 21:50 GMT
#4027
On May 03 2012 06:34 boxturtle wrote:
I don't get all this complaining. MVP played standard until he was up 2-0. Why are there 200 pages of hate on MVP? I mean come on, his wrist is screwed up and he just found a doctor for it.

It must be the racists at it again. Why the heck is there always a giant racist circle jerk whenever a white guy loses in GSL or something?


Eh, hold your horses on the racist thing. It happened all the time in BW when someone would cheese an overwhelming favorite player out of a league. Fan boys just hate when their boy(no matter who it is) loses by cheese. People who tend to look at the big picture and enjoy the game know that cheese or "high risk" builds are just part of the charm that makes Starcraft such a great competitive game to follow. Without the possibility of cheese it becomes quite stale.

In the end no one should blame MVP for doing the easiest and most efficient plan to win. Like Herm Edwards said...

+ Show Spoiler +
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
May 02 2012 22:00 GMT
#4028
lol people are mad nani lost. get over it
DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
May 02 2012 22:02 GMT
#4029
Personally i have no problem with cheese but if your going to cheese in a tournament like the GSL you better make sure people remember (*cough* Boxer bunker rush*)
Plays against every MU with nexus first.
anrimayu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States875 Posts
May 02 2012 22:10 GMT
#4030
Cheese me once, shame on you. Cheese me... you cant get cheesed again.
☆*:.。. o(≧▽≦)o .。.:*☆
TORTOISE
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 22:18:01
May 02 2012 22:17 GMT
#4031
Naniwa is a shitty player. But u should keep your hopes up, Faniwa's because he just tweeted that hes gonna be practicing SUPER DUPER hard starting tommorow! :O
◕ ‿‿ ◕ ๑•́ ₃ •̀๑ ( ͡ ° ͜ ʖ ͡°)
Mystogun
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States392 Posts
May 02 2012 22:19 GMT
#4032
I wanted Naniwa to win, but MVP is still MVP. Oh wells, he got pretty far, hopefully we'll see him perform at the same level he did this GSL in the next one.
"What I'm sayin' is that there are known knowns and there are known unknowns, but there's also unknown unknowns, things that we don't know we don't know." | SC2: NoiSe.730 | LoL: Galladiator
mambar
Profile Joined February 2012
United States841 Posts
May 02 2012 22:24 GMT
#4033
On May 03 2012 07:00 GhostKorean wrote:
lol people are mad nani lost. get over it

I'd be mad too if I voted "GSL Champion" on the where do you realistically think Naniwa's run will end poll.
power-overwhelming
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada306 Posts
May 02 2012 22:33 GMT
#4034
It's quite funny to watch this whole fanboy wars. It's basically Naniwa fans vs MVP fans + Naniwa haters. Being neutral let me lay down some truths

1. Naniwa has always been so weak to adjust to cheeses/all-ins like when Leenock destroyed him in providence.

2. MVP has always all-inned cheesed vs protoss.

I do find it a bit annoying the bias though. When MC wins 2 basing it's automatically an all in. But when MVP wins bitbybit it's genius strategy lol.

NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
May 02 2012 22:38 GMT
#4035
It's simple people.

MVP is the winner. He gets the money. He gets the girls.

Naniwa is a loser. He sucks and eats dirt.

It's so simple. No more arguing.

User was warned for this post
Tassadar/TheBest/Jjakji/Rain(terran)/Heart
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 22:47:45
May 02 2012 22:47 GMT
#4036
On May 03 2012 07:33 power-overwhelming wrote:
It's quite funny to watch this whole fanboy wars. It's basically Naniwa fans vs MVP fans + Naniwa haters. Being neutral let me lay down some truths

1. Naniwa has always been so weak to adjust to cheeses/all-ins like when Leenock destroyed him in providence.

2. MVP has always all-inned cheesed vs protoss.

I do find it a bit annoying the bias though. When MC wins 2 basing it's automatically an all in. But when MVP wins bitbybit it's genius strategy lol.



You are very ignorant, every game of Mvp's vs protoss this season has been over 20 minutes until this match.
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 23:05:37
May 02 2012 23:03 GMT
#4037
On May 03 2012 06:49 klops wrote:
be angry all you want, but game 2 and 4 were poor crisis management by nani. moreso 2 than 4.

Agreed.

If you don't want to be cheesed, then don't lose to cheese. Once Naniwa showed poor scouting and poor crisis management with greedy play, why shouldn't MVP exploit the weakness with cheese?
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
May 02 2012 23:13 GMT
#4038
On May 03 2012 07:33 power-overwhelming wrote:
It's quite funny to watch this whole fanboy wars. It's basically Naniwa fans vs MVP fans + Naniwa haters. Being neutral let me lay down some truths

1. Naniwa has always been so weak to adjust to cheeses/all-ins like when Leenock destroyed him in providence.

2. MVP has always all-inned cheesed vs protoss.

I do find it a bit annoying the bias though. When MC wins 2 basing it's automatically an all in. But when MVP wins bitbybit it's genius strategy lol.



It's actually not like that at all.
MC 2 base all-ins "Amazing timing, unit control"
MVP allins "Genius strategy, amazing unit control"

The reason MVP all in'd was probably because his wrists were starting to hurt so he knew if he didnt start going all in he would lose simply due to wrist pain. So it's all good.
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
TheRPGAddict
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1403 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 23:18:42
May 02 2012 23:15 GMT
#4039
On May 02 2012 19:20 Greggle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:17 EnderCraft wrote:
I know everyone is complaining about MVP cheesing; however, remember the fact that MVP has been struggling with carpal tunnel. It makes sense that he went with 1 and 2 base builds.


Boxer has been struggling since before his debut, not of CTS, but its bad enough he had to forfeit, and yet he has ALWAYS tried to give us good games. When he cheeses it's at least creative and not an entire series long.

All I see in MVP now is someone who is falling apart and desperately clinging to what's left of his career by whatever means possible. I'd prefer to see him take a leave of absence as Boxer did if this is all he has left in him.
MVP doesn't owe you ( or any of us ) anything. He plays his games and does whatever he feels is necessary to win. He made reads, varied up his play and took risks and was successful. Just cause the person you didn't want to win won doesn't discredit the victory.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24868 Posts
May 02 2012 23:39 GMT
#4040
On May 03 2012 08:15 TheRPGAddict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:20 Greggle wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:17 EnderCraft wrote:
I know everyone is complaining about MVP cheesing; however, remember the fact that MVP has been struggling with carpal tunnel. It makes sense that he went with 1 and 2 base builds.


Boxer has been struggling since before his debut, not of CTS, but its bad enough he had to forfeit, and yet he has ALWAYS tried to give us good games. When he cheeses it's at least creative and not an entire series long.

All I see in MVP now is someone who is falling apart and desperately clinging to what's left of his career by whatever means possible. I'd prefer to see him take a leave of absence as Boxer did if this is all he has left in him.
MVP doesn't owe you ( or any of us ) anything. He plays his games and does whatever he feels is necessary to win. He made reads, varied up his play and took risks and was successful. Just cause the person you didn't want to win won doesn't discredit the victory.

MVP played some really solid standard TvP games against Puzzle, adjusted his play vs Nani who is known for late scouting and greedy openers.

It's why MVP is a god of Starcraft 2 and we're all judging the GSL from our armchairs, guy knows how to play ffs!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Prev 1 200 201 202 203 204 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #15
Jumy vs PercivalLIVE!
Nicoract vs MilkiCow
LunaSea vs Babymarine
Mixu vs Moja
ArT vs INexorable
HiGhDrA vs Shameless
TBD vs ArT
xJustxJordanx1
Liquipedia
Replay Cast
00:00
uThermal 2v2 Circuit: May
CranKy Ducklings41
Liquipedia
OSC
21:00
Mid Season Playoffs
ArT vs ReBellioN
HonMonO vs Ziomek
Shameless vs LunaSea
MilkiCow vs GgMaChine
Moja vs HiGhDrA
Jumy vs TBD
Demi vs NightPhoenix
Solar vs Cham
SteadfastSC124
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft292
RuFF_SC2 134
SteadfastSC124
UpATreeSC 112
ROOTCatZ 67
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 3815
Rain 1860
Artosis 738
Sharp 31
Icarus 6
Dota 2
monkeys_forever258
League of Legends
Dendi1333
Counter-Strike
taco 464
Stewie2K192
Super Smash Bros
AZ_Axe135
Other Games
summit1g11967
tarik_tv5613
shahzam1206
C9.Mang01004
ViBE259
Trikslyr55
ToD43
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream8529
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH264
• Hupsaiya 52
• RyuSc2 42
• davetesta31
• HeavenSC 8
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21059
League of Legends
• Doublelift6473
Other Games
• Scarra901
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
10h 23m
HiGhDrA vs Nicoract
MaNa vs HiGhDrA
HiGhDrA vs Reynor
Nicoract vs Reynor
MaNa vs Nicoract
MaNa vs Reynor
MaxPax vs Spirit
Krystianer vs Spirit
OSC
12h 23m
BSL 2v2 ProLeague S3
18h 23m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 2h
SOOP
1d 8h
sOs vs Percival
CranKy Ducklings
1d 9h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 10h
Cheesadelphia
1d 14h
CSO Cup
1d 16h
BSL: ProLeague
1d 17h
Hawk vs UltrA
Sziky vs spx
TerrOr vs JDConan
[ Show More ]
GSL Code S
2 days
Rogue vs herO
Classic vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
BSL: ProLeague
2 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
Cross vs Doodle
MadiNho vs Dragon
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.