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[Code S] "The Chosen 8" 2012 GSL Season 2 Day 1 - Page 198

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phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
May 02 2012 16:53 GMT
#3941
I'm really glad that there are players like MVP around. Personally for me, I play this game to play on the ladder, and seeing super greedy builds go unpunished pains me, because if I were to try most of MKP's tvz builds where he goes super fast 3 base (for example) I'd just get smashed on the ladder. And to me that sucks because it makes it seem like the non-pros and the pros are playing two different games where 1 is super susceptible to all-ins (on NA at least..) and the other is always getting to play greedy macro openings.

I'm a big Naniwa fan, but the GSL is about winning to show you're the best player in terms of preparation and execution, and although a bo5 is small in the grand scheme of things, MVP deserved it.
RedBlargh
Profile Joined July 2011
99 Posts
May 02 2012 16:54 GMT
#3942
I wanted MVP to win, but not like this T_T Nothing entertaining to watch cheesing a player out of the Ro8. Hopefully he can change his gameplay for his match against PartinG.
TaeTae
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom97 Posts
May 02 2012 16:56 GMT
#3943
He cheesed one game. He scouted the silly build by naniwa on entombed valley. Deal with it.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
May 02 2012 16:57 GMT
#3944
On May 03 2012 01:50 Havik_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 01:41 zefreak wrote:
ITT amateurs who lose a lot on ladder blame it on "all in's being too strong" rather than themselves being not good enough.

You losing to all ins constantly on ladder isn't evidence of a game design flaw, its evidence of you not being a high level player.

Naniwa losing to all in's isn't a game design flaw, its a Naniwa build order/decision making flaw.

Protoss complaining about terran all in's when gateway immortal all in's are the most powerful in the game (and still not necessarily something to complain about) is rich.


How does that explain better players losing to lesser players who do all ins? I see it on streams frequently.


Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 01:47 Sabu113 wrote:
Finished seeing the games.

Exactly why BW will always be superior to this inferior ... thing. Mule design and the idiocy to use healthy rather than range to balance stalker marine gives you this stupidity.

Going to be absolutely pathetic when Flash and bisu just break this game in <9 minutes.

Atleast it might shut up the standard tl terrans.


LOL. 9 minutes? Bit of an exaggeration there. They won't be good that fast.


Because nobody is perfect. The best players in SC2 of each race still make stupid mistakes and decisions. MKP is one of the best terrans but it was only a couple months ago that he would lose game after game by forgetting his depots down and shit like that. You might think Naniwa is an awesome player but his defense in game 4 was pathetic. Genius plays amazing sometimes and then just falls apart other times.

Brood War has been around for over 12 years now. Did you follow it at all? Do you realize that the difference in skill level from now and 2000 is enormous? B teamers from 2010 would be bonjwas in 2001. It takes time for people to get the experience and for matchups to be so figured out that practice becomes a science instead of an art, like it is now.

You are probably severely underestimating the players they are losing to, also.
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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
May 02 2012 16:58 GMT
#3945
On May 03 2012 01:47 Sabu113 wrote:
Finished seeing the games.

Exactly why BW will always be superior to this inferior ... thing. Mule design and the idiocy to use healthy rather than range to balance stalker marine gives you this stupidity.

Going to be absolutely pathetic when Flash and bisu just break this game in <9 minutes.

Atleast it might shut up the standard tl terrans.

Quoting this post to use in the elephant thread when your post's predictive powers fail!
VL-Orion
Profile Joined April 2011
Indonesia78 Posts
May 02 2012 16:59 GMT
#3946
Naniwa did greedy builds and he is punished for it.
MVP was 2-1 had he failed the cheese in game 4 there is still a final game (in which nani would not dare to be so greedy)
its a good strat considering he doesnt have much stamina.
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 17:04:42
May 02 2012 17:03 GMT
#3947
One of the best days ever of gsl for me! I was hoping mvp would crush naniwa and crush him he did so I was greatly entertained! MVP read him like a book and totally outplayed him. He shouldn't have even lost game 3 if he wasn't caught unsieged at the bottom of the ramp. Seeing all the swedish posters whine about the loss is as entertaining as the games. Hoping MVP wins his 4th gsl as this protoss domination must end!
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
May 02 2012 17:11 GMT
#3948
On May 02 2012 23:51 m3rciless wrote:
Cheesy mvp. Play 0 standard games, only play 1/1/1 variants and 2/3 rax cheese.


Thank you for that unbiased assessment. I'm sure you took all the accomplishments of Mvp into account.

On May 02 2012 11:59 m3rciless wrote:
NaNi takes this 3-1, maybe 3-0 if the first two sets go his way and MVP checks out mentally.

Its funny because I want NaNi to win so badly, and I literally don't care at all who wins the other match, except that I want the worse PvPer to win to give NaNi an easier road.

Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
May 02 2012 17:12 GMT
#3949
Well just watched the VOD:s... that was an underwhelming series to say the least. Reminds me of my runs in gold leauge quiet a bit.

Parting is going to pick apart MVP in next round.
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
vorxaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada245 Posts
May 02 2012 17:12 GMT
#3950
not sure why people are so upset about mvp cheesing... they are playing for money, not lols
when you are a programmer, every game you play is affected by every match you have played previously, people study you, and if you have proven yourself to be a predictable, people will punish you, like leenock did
if no one is allowed to cheese, why bother forge fast expand, just double expand to three bases on nothing lol
vorxaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada245 Posts
May 02 2012 17:14 GMT
#3951
On May 03 2012 02:12 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Well just watched the VOD:s... that was an underwhelming series to say the least. Reminds me of my runs in gold leauge quiet a bit.

Parting is going to pick apart MVP in next round.

ya gonna have to agree on that, parting too safe and doesnt lose late game, mvp might need something special
malady
Profile Joined November 2010
United States600 Posts
May 02 2012 17:19 GMT
#3952
good news to wake up too
ah I'm sorry nani doesn't deserve to be number 1 quite yet
seems undeserving IMO
if his pvt was really his best match up he would look out for cheese seriously we have all been all in-ed by a terran >_<
dumchu
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
May 02 2012 17:20 GMT
#3953
These pro-gamers play for money, they honestly don't give a damn about playing "entertaining games"
I've also started noticing that almost all the people calling MVP a cheesy newb are all Swedish. What a coincidence lol.
This series just brings to mind MMA vs MVP in the blizzard cup, where MMA pulled consecutive cheeses in the last two games for the 3-0. People loved MMA for that, where's the MVP love?
¯\_(シ)_/¯
PolskaGora
Profile Joined May 2011
United States547 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 17:28:04
May 02 2012 17:23 GMT
#3954
On May 03 2012 02:12 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Well just watched the VOD:s... that was an underwhelming series to say the least. Reminds me of my runs in gold leauge quiet a bit.

Parting is going to pick apart MVP in next round.

I would like to see a HerO vs MVP finals simply because long TvP's are more epic than PvP's, but I agree with you and think that we'll be seeing a HerO vs Parting finals. Although I must say that Parting vs Oz was worse imo than Naniwa vs MVP, maybe because of the bias I outlined above, but also because it didn't seem Oz was bringing his famed PvP prowess to the table. At least Naniwa vs MVP was dramatic enough to be able to adequately fill the gaps in the entertainment value in the series.

On May 03 2012 02:20 Whatson wrote:
These pro-gamers play for money, they honestly don't give a damn about playing "entertaining games"
I've also started noticing that almost all the people calling MVP a cheesy newb are all Swedish. What a coincidence lol.
This series just brings to mind MMA vs MVP in the blizzard cup, where MMA pulled consecutive cheeses in the last two games for the 3-0. People loved MMA for that, where's the MVP love?

I don't quite agree. That mentality seems to dominate the foreigner crowd mostly, as can be seen with the Naniwa probe rush vs Nestea and the infamous showmatch throwing by IdrA. Whenever I watch interviews, the Koreans like MKP, MC, and DRG always seems to be first to thank their fans and mention a desire to entertain them with games. Obviously, in the ro32-ro8 phases of tournaments they don't really care that much since who cares if you put on a good show if you get knocked out early, but overall I think the pros definitely care about providing entertainment to the community.
Tracking treasure down
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
May 02 2012 17:29 GMT
#3955
To people saying Mvp is a cheesy coward or whatever the fuck, every TvP he has played this season until this match have been over 20 minutes, and almost every game in other matchups have been over 15 minutes (only one that wasn't was when Leenock cheesed him), with several 30 minute games as well. Learn your shit
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
May 02 2012 17:34 GMT
#3956
On May 03 2012 02:29 Gorlin wrote:
To people saying Mvp is a cheesy coward or whatever the fuck, every TvP he has played this season until this match have been over 20 minutes, and almost every game in other matchups have been over 15 minutes (only one that wasn't was when Leenock cheesed him), with several 30 minute games as well. Learn your shit

Chill out and ignore the idiots lol. No need to explain, anyone who have watched GSL since the first days know how good MVP is in macro games. He's imba in late game no matter what. A good player know how to analyze and understand his opponent. MVP prepared for this match so well so he deserved to win.
Xercen
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom375 Posts
May 02 2012 17:36 GMT
#3957
Naniwa lost because he was greedy and mvp exploited that.

Top players can defend cheese if they scout it. Naniwa failed to do that and i'm glad he lost. A greedy toss that can only win by being greedy is a bad toss. We need a champ that can cheese macro and defend cheeses!
31415926535
Profile Joined May 2012
Switzerland276 Posts
May 02 2012 17:39 GMT
#3958
On May 03 2012 02:29 Gorlin wrote:
To people saying Mvp is a cheesy coward or whatever the fuck, every TvP he has played this season until this match have been over 20 minutes, and almost every game in other matchups have been over 15 minutes (only one that wasn't was when Leenock cheesed him), with several 30 minute games as well. Learn your shit

I don't get this whole notion that cheese is bad. Cheese is part of the game. The goal is to win, using whatever strategy works best. Not cheesing when cheese is the best option, THAT would be dumb.

Now, I understand that some people prefer long game, but calling MVP a bad player for using cheese is just fucking dumb. Naniwa is weak early game, it would be just dumb not to exploit this weakness.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 17:40:10
May 02 2012 17:39 GMT
#3959
Easier road for Parting~

I love you, MVP, but I don't think you'll beat Parting (nor do I want you to). :V
Xercen
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom375 Posts
May 02 2012 17:42 GMT
#3960
On May 03 2012 00:52 CV-Mackh wrote:
I think that you guys don't get the point,

Cheesing is disgraceful and should be avoided at this lvl of play, sure Nani should have countered them and stuff, but I feel like the general notion of cheese is disrespectful for your opponent, 2 ways you can interpret it IMO :

- I suck too much to take Nani late game.
- Everybody hates Nani in Korea, i'll just Humiliate the guy.

So yeah this is my own point of view regarding cheese, I am not appealing any one to support me or to comment this, but my FEELING today, is that MVP does not deserve any respect from me anymore.

And I am not swedish, neither am I a protoss player, nor a fanboy.

Just a regular fan of the GSL who'd like to see better games and more respect than a straight up 3 cheeses in a row.

So yeah I spit on MVP and hope he will get his butt kicked by partying



why not petition gsl to have a 20 min no rush rul then?
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