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On May 06 2012 09:04 catplanetcatplanet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 08:55 Dodgin wrote:On May 06 2012 08:47 Steveling wrote:On May 06 2012 06:59 Asha` wrote:On May 06 2012 06:42 Morrisson wrote:
It's a shame it was not that much put forward by TL... probably one of the best event of the year, at least on par with other events such as DreamHack and MLG and HomeStory Cup... I really dont get it. People should give Fionn some love because he did write a preview article off his own initiative, there was just no one around for him to get it spotlighted in any way (you can find it in sc2 general) Yeah, why did TL boycott them. Well not exactly, that's a heavy word, but you get the point. No one knows except the staff, I'm wondering this myself although I'm sure they have a valid reason. Wax is in Korea and everyone else was asleep.
I thought that was the reason that the article Fionn wrote up on the spot wasn't featured?
As far as I know they didn't have anything planned for Iron Squid but like Asha said, Fionn took initiative and wrote something up at the last minute. The finals thread that we're posting in also never got into the community news and neither did any other threads about it since the initial announcement of the group stages months ago.
Like I said I'm sure they have a good reason but it just looks weird.
It's entirely possible that the organizers just didn't request them to feature the threads so they didn't and Wax is obviously busy in Korea and didn't have time to cover this event so nothing was planned.
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when are the VOD's for the finals out?, it's so hard not to get spoiled, im literally covering my eyes over the thread and hoping someone responds.
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too late, it's impossible to try and connect with the VOD's and not get spoiled, fuck everything about that.
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On May 06 2012 05:52 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 05:51 Manimal_pro wrote:
if there were 2750 people paying 25 $ that would amount to 123K dollars income from the venue alone 1) your math sucks :-P 2) the entry price was more like $45-$50 or so. So yeah, they did get quite a bit of income from tickets. But I bet it's not a cheap venue to rent.
Pomf&Thud said 75K€ with the staff and stuff.
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Is there a list of which theme goes with which player.. I looked on their website and couldnt find anything about it. D:
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On May 06 2012 09:57 dropiso wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 05:52 Rannasha wrote:On May 06 2012 05:51 Manimal_pro wrote:
if there were 2750 people paying 25 $ that would amount to 123K dollars income from the venue alone 1) your math sucks :-P 2) the entry price was more like $45-$50 or so. So yeah, they did get quite a bit of income from tickets. But I bet it's not a cheap venue to rent. Pomf&Thud said 75K€ with the staff and stuff.
nope that's not an accurate figure at all!
just back home and dead tired, but what a day 
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I should have known. Liquipedia has everything! Thanks!
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On May 06 2012 08:25 tuho12345 wrote:
Symbol macro isn't good at all, he forgot to make units so many games. Like the last game when MMA was constantly making 10 units simultaneously, Symbol had none in his production tab and 2k,1k in banks. He deserved to lose anyway, too bad Nestea fucked up his semi in his best MU, otherwise it'd be a bit better to watch. Or may be Alive vs MMA in the final would have been much better opponent for MMA lol.
you didnt watch the game either your game understanding isnt good.Symbol had infestor tech and was about to making +10 infestors, then MMA's nonstop agression started.He had no time for making these infestors and just make ton of zerglings for defending it.That was amazing timing attack by MMA, nothing wrong with Symbol's macro.
also i can guarantee you, NesTea has %15 chance against MMA with his current ZvT, so Symbol vs MMA final was so much better than this.
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too late! I was already spoiled, dam near smacked my computer off the table when I wen to ironsquid.tv and read the result before watching, oh well I'm still gonna watch it, I'm sure you will save someone else the trouble of getting spoiled though.
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Amazingly well done tournament. I loved the crowd, the live music, and the great atmosphere. Must be something in the water in Paris 
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On May 06 2012 10:34 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 08:25 tuho12345 wrote:
Symbol macro isn't good at all, he forgot to make units so many games. Like the last game when MMA was constantly making 10 units simultaneously, Symbol had none in his production tab and 2k,1k in banks. He deserved to lose anyway, too bad Nestea fucked up his semi in his best MU, otherwise it'd be a bit better to watch. Or may be Alive vs MMA in the final would have been much better opponent for MMA lol. you didnt watch the game either your game understanding isnt good.Symbol had infestor tech and was about to making +10 infestors, then MMA's nonstop agression started.He had no time for making these infestors and just make ton of zerglings for defending it.That was amazing timing attack by MMA, nothing wrong with Symbol's macro. also i can guarantee you, NesTea has %15 chance against MMA with his current ZvT, so Symbol vs MMA final was so much better than this.
Uhhhhhhh
This is Nestea's record in ZvT so far in 2012:
10-6 Alive
4-2 Ganzi
3-2 Jjakji(!!)
1-2 Demuslim
2-1 Sjow
2-1 Mvp(!!)
1-2 Virus
2-0 Keen
Which is way more impressive than Symbol's (granted Symbol really shined this tournament and played better than his record would suggest). I don't know where the fuck you pulled 15%, but even if it was, Symbol's would probably be less than, or maybe about equal to, Nestea's.
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On May 06 2012 14:11 Gorlin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 10:34 dragonborn wrote:On May 06 2012 08:25 tuho12345 wrote:
Symbol macro isn't good at all, he forgot to make units so many games. Like the last game when MMA was constantly making 10 units simultaneously, Symbol had none in his production tab and 2k,1k in banks. He deserved to lose anyway, too bad Nestea fucked up his semi in his best MU, otherwise it'd be a bit better to watch. Or may be Alive vs MMA in the final would have been much better opponent for MMA lol. you didnt watch the game either your game understanding isnt good.Symbol had infestor tech and was about to making +10 infestors, then MMA's nonstop agression started.He had no time for making these infestors and just make ton of zerglings for defending it.That was amazing timing attack by MMA, nothing wrong with Symbol's macro. also i can guarantee you, NesTea has %15 chance against MMA with his current ZvT, so Symbol vs MMA final was so much better than this. Uhhhhhhh This is Nestea's record in ZvT so far in 2012: 10-6 Alive 4-2 Ganzi 3-2 Jjakji(!!) 1-2 Demuslim 2-1 Sjow 2-1 Mvp(!!) 1-2 Virus 2-0 Keen Which is way more impressive than Symbol's (granted Symbol really shined this tournament and played better than his record would suggest). I don't know where the fuck you pulled 15%, but even if it was, Symbol's would probably be less than, or maybe about equal to, Nestea's.
Thank you sir for backing up what you say. Rather than just spewing non-sense. Some people just make statments grasping at random facts. Your sir, are a gentleman.
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On May 06 2012 08:13 LaLuSh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 05:43 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 06 2012 05:41 Antithesis wrote:On May 06 2012 05:38 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 06 2012 05:35 Flonomenalz wrote:On May 06 2012 05:33 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 06 2012 05:32 Diavlo wrote:On May 06 2012 05:29 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 06 2012 05:27 Tachion wrote:On May 06 2012 05:26 dAPhREAk wrote:
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if you hatch first then you are delaying your spawning pool.... every pro zerg in the world would hatch first there. That wasn't the issue. what was the issue? That a strategy like proxy two-rax getting scouted and still doing so much damage on a regualr opening is problematic. Symbol would have been dead hadn't he been lucky to find out. why is that problematic? he scouted it after both raxes were almost done and after he had already invested in hatch first (a build a proxy 2-rax is intended to punish). what other opening is zerg supposed to use against terran? u cannot scout a 2 rax in time to do anything other than hatch first, symbol got a 13 pool and STILL couldnt prevent a bunker. how is that not problematic? even if he had opened 14/14, mma would see no expo, lift his rax, drop a cc, build a bunker or two, and still be ahead. i see no problem with terrans abusing zerg's apparent inability to innovate. Ya, zergs really should innvoate their entire game plan 3 minutes in the game. There are countless unexplored options before 16 supply. down 1-3 on a cross-positions map against MMA. dont play the safest early build (pool first). yeah, still not feeling too much pity. One would think the fact that you're bronze league would dissuade you from continuing to give shit advice. But no. That doesn't seem to hinder you at all. You should go on reddit. You seem to fit right in with the rest of them. That's where the people who haven't had the game installed on their computers for 1½ year, but still feel entilted to give theoretically revolutionary advice, go to circlejerk.
<3 you :D
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On May 06 2012 09:54 below66 wrote:
when are the VOD's for the finals out?, it's so hard not to get spoiled, im literally covering my eyes over the thread and hoping someone responds.
This goes for most things hosted on twitch TV. Just go to the channel and you can watch the entire broadcast.
Just watched it myself at http://www.twitch.tv/ironsquid_vf/b/317183566
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The thing is Nestea's ZvT used to be really bizarre and kinda bad but he still won a solid amount because he was Nestea. He has since then improved it a good deal and is no longer "bad" (even when he was"bad" he was still a good deal above 50%) at it.
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On May 06 2012 10:34 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 08:25 tuho12345 wrote:
Symbol macro isn't good at all, he forgot to make units so many games. Like the last game when MMA was constantly making 10 units simultaneously, Symbol had none in his production tab and 2k,1k in banks. He deserved to lose anyway, too bad Nestea fucked up his semi in his best MU, otherwise it'd be a bit better to watch. Or may be Alive vs MMA in the final would have been much better opponent for MMA lol. you didnt watch the game either your game understanding isnt good.Symbol had infestor tech and was about to making +10 infestors, then MMA's nonstop agression started.He had no time for making these infestors and just make ton of zerglings for defending it.That was amazing timing attack by MMA, nothing wrong with Symbol's macro. also i can guarantee you, NesTea has %15 chance against MMA with his current ZvT, so Symbol vs MMA final was so much better than this.
I didn't talk about 1 game or 1 specific moment. I watched all 5 games and you said I didn't watch or understand? Zerg is much easier to macro than terran in those situations. While Z just whole down 1 hotkeys to spam units, terran on the other hands has to micro their ass off on multi front and macro from 4 different production facilities. Also Terran had to move back to their base to grab their units, Zerg while defending just has to rally units easily.
Symbol sucks at macro-ing and multitasking, I dislike Nestea but anyone know that he beat MVP at GSL this season. Nestea sucks at microing, but the guy is the best macro Zerg out there belong with DRG. He won 3 GSLs for a reason ok.
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On May 06 2012 15:10 tuho12345 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 10:34 dragonborn wrote:On May 06 2012 08:25 tuho12345 wrote:
Symbol macro isn't good at all, he forgot to make units so many games. Like the last game when MMA was constantly making 10 units simultaneously, Symbol had none in his production tab and 2k,1k in banks. He deserved to lose anyway, too bad Nestea fucked up his semi in his best MU, otherwise it'd be a bit better to watch. Or may be Alive vs MMA in the final would have been much better opponent for MMA lol. you didnt watch the game either your game understanding isnt good.Symbol had infestor tech and was about to making +10 infestors, then MMA's nonstop agression started.He had no time for making these infestors and just make ton of zerglings for defending it.That was amazing timing attack by MMA, nothing wrong with Symbol's macro. also i can guarantee you, NesTea has %15 chance against MMA with his current ZvT, so Symbol vs MMA final was so much better than this. I didn't talk about 1 game or 1 specific moment. I watched all 5 games and you said I didn't watch or understand? Zerg is much easier to macro than terran in those situations. While Z just whole down 1 hotkeys to spam units, terran on the other hands has to micro their ass off on multi front and macro from 4 different production facilities. Also Terran had to move back to their base to grab their units, Zerg while defending just has to rally units easily. Symbol sucks at macro-ing and multitasking, I dislike Nestea but anyone know that he beat MVP at GSL this season. Nestea sucks at microing, but the guy is the best macro Zerg out there belong with DRG. He won 3 GSLs for a reason ok.
Uhhhhhh
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I'm not sure how to respond. I guess you're right, zerg is a joke to play, Symbol sucks, just had to hold down one button.
Riiiight
edt: Ok looked at your past posts, they are all this silly. Wow
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On May 06 2012 15:21 Gorlin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 15:10 tuho12345 wrote:On May 06 2012 10:34 dragonborn wrote:On May 06 2012 08:25 tuho12345 wrote:
Symbol macro isn't good at all, he forgot to make units so many games. Like the last game when MMA was constantly making 10 units simultaneously, Symbol had none in his production tab and 2k,1k in banks. He deserved to lose anyway, too bad Nestea fucked up his semi in his best MU, otherwise it'd be a bit better to watch. Or may be Alive vs MMA in the final would have been much better opponent for MMA lol. you didnt watch the game either your game understanding isnt good.Symbol had infestor tech and was about to making +10 infestors, then MMA's nonstop agression started.He had no time for making these infestors and just make ton of zerglings for defending it.That was amazing timing attack by MMA, nothing wrong with Symbol's macro. also i can guarantee you, NesTea has %15 chance against MMA with his current ZvT, so Symbol vs MMA final was so much better than this. I didn't talk about 1 game or 1 specific moment. I watched all 5 games and you said I didn't watch or understand? Zerg is much easier to macro than terran in those situations. While Z just whole down 1 hotkeys to spam units, terran on the other hands has to micro their ass off on multi front and macro from 4 different production facilities. Also Terran had to move back to their base to grab their units, Zerg while defending just has to rally units easily. Symbol sucks at macro-ing and multitasking, I dislike Nestea but anyone know that he beat MVP at GSL this season. Nestea sucks at microing, but the guy is the best macro Zerg out there belong with DRG. He won 3 GSLs for a reason ok. Uhhhhhh uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I'm not sure how to respond. I guess you're right, zerg is a joke to play, Symbol sucks, just had to hold down one button. Riiiight edt: Ok looked at your past posts, they are all this silly. Wow
You said Symbol couldn't macro b/c MMA was too aggressive? Then how did MMA's macro anyway?
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