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On May 06 2012 14:31 Hall0wed wrote:
The thing is Nestea's ZvT used to be really bizarre and kinda bad but he still won a solid amount because he was Nestea. He has since then improved it a good deal and is no longer "bad" (even when he was"bad" he was still a good deal above 50%) at it.
How so? Biggest complaints I can think of was he used to be too passive, and sometimes did totally braindead engagements. Still, relative to other zergs, I'd of considered him unopposed as the best in the MU until DRG showed up, and even initially DRG wasn't exactly the ZvT messiah everyone made him out to be.
Since then, he's done a 180 on the passivity in the MU. He's now one of the most aggressive ZvT out there and it seems to be working for him decently enough. Probably because Terrans have also gotten increasingly greedy.
Still, there's elements of his old play that I miss. It's not even ZvT that's the problem, it just feels like Nestea has become a lot less inspired and his strats have slowed down a bit. If anything, it felt like Symbol was more like the Nestea of old today. Forefront of Zerg metagame, looked like he prepared extensively, adaptive and diversified. Nestea is still solid enough to go deep in any tournament, but his play has left me desiring for more. :/
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On May 06 2012 15:43 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 14:31 Hall0wed wrote:
The thing is Nestea's ZvT used to be really bizarre and kinda bad but he still won a solid amount because he was Nestea. He has since then improved it a good deal and is no longer "bad" (even when he was"bad" he was still a good deal above 50%) at it. How so? Biggest complaints I can think of was he used to be too passive, and sometimes did totally braindead engagements. Still, relative to other zergs, I'd of considered him unopposed as the best in the MU until DRG showed up, and even initially DRG wasn't exactly the ZvT messiah everyone made him out to be. Since then, he's done a 180 on the passivity in the MU. He's now one of the most aggressive ZvT out there and it seems to be working for him decently enough. Probably because Terrans have also gotten increasingly greedy. Still, there's elements of his old play that I miss. It's not even ZvT that's the problem, it just feels like Nestea has become a lot less inspired and his strats have slowed down a bit. If anything, it felt like Symbol was more like the Nestea of old today. Forefront of Zerg metagame, looked like he prepared extensively, adaptive and diversified. Nestea is still solid enough to go deep in any tournament, but his play has left me desiring for more. :/
As I mentioned in the other part of my post, "bad" is relative to how amazing he was at the other two matchups.
But just go watch some old Nestea VoDs, he still looked great in ZvT because he is fucking Nestea, but his style was usually pretty odd. He made too many roaches and just other weird things. If he had played a better style of ZvT he could have been even more dominant than he already was at the time.
Anyway, not too crazy that MMA finally got back to winning a tournament when there was only 1 good protoss in the whole thing, though MMA still managed to lose to a different protoss player. @_@ Hopefully he has a streak of brilliance sort of like Ganzi recently had and he starts figuring out TvP better. He can't possibly win another GSL in his current shape with there actually being protoss in Code S for a change.
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On May 06 2012 15:43 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 14:31 Hall0wed wrote:
The thing is Nestea's ZvT used to be really bizarre and kinda bad but he still won a solid amount because he was Nestea. He has since then improved it a good deal and is no longer "bad" (even when he was"bad" he was still a good deal above 50%) at it. How so? Biggest complaints I can think of was he used to be too passive, and sometimes did totally braindead engagements. Still, relative to other zergs, I'd of considered him unopposed as the best in the MU until DRG showed up, and even initially DRG wasn't exactly the ZvT messiah everyone made him out to be. Since then, he's done a 180 on the passivity in the MU. He's now one of the most aggressive ZvT out there and it seems to be working for him decently enough. Probably because Terrans have also gotten increasingly greedy. Still, there's elements of his old play that I miss. It's not even ZvT that's the problem, it just feels like Nestea has become a lot less inspired and his strats have slowed down a bit. If anything, it felt like Symbol was more like the Nestea of old today. Forefront of Zerg metagame, looked like he prepared extensively, adaptive and diversified. Nestea is still solid enough to go deep in any tournament, but his play has left me desiring for more. :/
ZvT used to be definitely his weakness, I remember him being nearly unbeaten in ZvZ and for a long period of time completely dominant in ZvP.
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are the english vods up anywhere yet?
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On May 06 2012 15:36 tuho12345 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 15:21 Gorlin wrote:On May 06 2012 15:10 tuho12345 wrote:On May 06 2012 10:34 dragonborn wrote:On May 06 2012 08:25 tuho12345 wrote:
Symbol macro isn't good at all, he forgot to make units so many games. Like the last game when MMA was constantly making 10 units simultaneously, Symbol had none in his production tab and 2k,1k in banks. He deserved to lose anyway, too bad Nestea fucked up his semi in his best MU, otherwise it'd be a bit better to watch. Or may be Alive vs MMA in the final would have been much better opponent for MMA lol. you didnt watch the game either your game understanding isnt good.Symbol had infestor tech and was about to making +10 infestors, then MMA's nonstop agression started.He had no time for making these infestors and just make ton of zerglings for defending it.That was amazing timing attack by MMA, nothing wrong with Symbol's macro. also i can guarantee you, NesTea has %15 chance against MMA with his current ZvT, so Symbol vs MMA final was so much better than this. I didn't talk about 1 game or 1 specific moment. I watched all 5 games and you said I didn't watch or understand? Zerg is much easier to macro than terran in those situations. While Z just whole down 1 hotkeys to spam units, terran on the other hands has to micro their ass off on multi front and macro from 4 different production facilities. Also Terran had to move back to their base to grab their units, Zerg while defending just has to rally units easily. Symbol sucks at macro-ing and multitasking, I dislike Nestea but anyone know that he beat MVP at GSL this season. Nestea sucks at microing, but the guy is the best macro Zerg out there belong with DRG. He won 3 GSLs for a reason ok. Uhhhhhh uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I'm not sure how to respond. I guess you're right, zerg is a joke to play, Symbol sucks, just had to hold down one button. Riiiight edt: Ok looked at your past posts, they are all this silly. Wow You said Symbol couldn't macro b/c MMA was too aggressive? Then how did MMA's macro anyway?
Terran production isn't hindered by larva count and mineral/gas ratio. Once symbol had to throw all of his mineral and larvae into lings, he couldn't do anything else for a long time, especially with mma sniping queens everywhere. During this time, mma could keep up with constant production.
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amazing offline tournament. Though not alot of online viewers probably cause lack of exposures. Didn't even know this tourney existed till yesterday
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I saw large parts of the finals yesterday and it was a great show. Casting was grand, games were exciting and the venue looked great. Some of the pics posted here, on Reddit and elsewhere made it look amazing. Too bad this tournament received basically zero coverage here on TL.
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This was a magnificent tournament, I thoroughly enjoyed watching - in fact I opted to watch the French stream, which was far more exciting (sorry TB and Apollo, those guys were too bonkers to ignore). Congratulations to these guys for hosting such a incredible event and to MMA for winning it. I'm looking forward to future seasons of The Iron Squid!
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Great tourney overall, GJ Iron Squid! It's a shame that TL somehow decided that this event was worth zero coverage, though.
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On May 06 2012 18:46 SolidMustard wrote:
Great tourney overall, GJ Iron Squid! It's a shame that TL somehow decided that this event was worth zero coverage, though.
Yeah, this was definitely better than any final day of a Dreamhack/MLG/Whatever. It was MAD.
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On May 06 2012 18:22 warzag wrote:wow, pretty amazing!
lolol, I loved how he had the Korean flag, I doubt any of the others would have one, regardless of the fact that it was top4 koreans xD
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I only saw an hour during the whole grand final, but it looked great. So great, that i wish I was there. The venue, the band, the stage, the crowd .. everything made for a succesful event. Iron squid was very unique and I hope they continue 
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Any specifically recommended games?
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Maybe the last game of Nestea against Alive with french shoutcasters of course :D
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The series between MMA and Alive was the best TvT i've have ever seen in my opinion
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That was really an amazing tourney. I couldn't stay awake for the whole thing, but finished watching the VOD today. For those that don't know, you can find the VOD here:
http://www.twitch.tv/ironsquid/b/317223101
The games, the venue, the crowd, the band, the exciting French casters and...did I mention the venue. That's gotta be the best venue in the history of SC2...and those chairs...so comfy looking.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/09jk9.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DpVce.jpg)
Couldn't even fit the crowd/venue in one frame :o
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Awesome tournament, went in expecting very little, and left feeling amazed. The venue, the atmosphere, the games, wow, great show. Didn't even know it was occuring, as many people stated, not alot of talk leading up to it, just was up late last night, and noticed a tournament was going on, and decided to tune in. Glad I did. 
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EPT
