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Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
May 06 2012 10:29 GMT
#4501
On May 06 2012 08:55 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 08:47 Steveling wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:59 Asha` wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:42 Morrisson wrote:
It's a shame it was not that much put forward by TL... probably one of the best event of the year, at least on par with other events such as DreamHack and MLG and HomeStory Cup... I really dont get it.


People should give Fionn some love because he did write a preview article off his own initiative, there was just no one around for him to get it spotlighted in any way (you can find it in sc2 general)


Yeah, why did TL boycott them. Well not exactly, that's a heavy word, but you get the point.


No one knows except the staff, I'm wondering this myself although I'm sure they have a valid reason.


I heard (by a staff member from a team) that you have to pay TL to get exposure in TL.net . Not sure it is true but it might be the reason.
alpha9
Profile Joined September 2010
14 Posts
May 06 2012 11:12 GMT
#4502
great tournaments, by far the best crowd ever for a sc2 event, even more when you know you had to pay 50 bucks.

I hope the next one will be even better, with more players... less downtime for the streamers and fixings the minors troubles (sound, lag etc.) but we have to remember the 1080p stream was free... so... great work and thanks to the staff
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
May 06 2012 11:28 GMT
#4503
On May 06 2012 19:29 Thurken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 08:55 Dodgin wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:47 Steveling wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:59 Asha` wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:42 Morrisson wrote:
It's a shame it was not that much put forward by TL... probably one of the best event of the year, at least on par with other events such as DreamHack and MLG and HomeStory Cup... I really dont get it.


People should give Fionn some love because he did write a preview article off his own initiative, there was just no one around for him to get it spotlighted in any way (you can find it in sc2 general)


Yeah, why did TL boycott them. Well not exactly, that's a heavy word, but you get the point.


No one knows except the staff, I'm wondering this myself although I'm sure they have a valid reason.


I heard (by a staff member from a team) that you have to pay TL to get exposure in TL.net . Not sure it is true but it might be the reason.

There is sponsored threads but Iron Squid don't enter in this category of tournament. It's just when the tournament started every people with the power that be were occupied (friday night) and now it's too late.
Batch
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden692 Posts
May 06 2012 11:47 GMT
#4504
On May 06 2012 20:28 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 19:29 Thurken wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:55 Dodgin wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:47 Steveling wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:59 Asha` wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:42 Morrisson wrote:
It's a shame it was not that much put forward by TL... probably one of the best event of the year, at least on par with other events such as DreamHack and MLG and HomeStory Cup... I really dont get it.


People should give Fionn some love because he did write a preview article off his own initiative, there was just no one around for him to get it spotlighted in any way (you can find it in sc2 general)


Yeah, why did TL boycott them. Well not exactly, that's a heavy word, but you get the point.


No one knows except the staff, I'm wondering this myself although I'm sure they have a valid reason.


I heard (by a staff member from a team) that you have to pay TL to get exposure in TL.net . Not sure it is true but it might be the reason.

There is sponsored threads but Iron Squid don't enter in this category of tournament. It's just when the tournament started every people with the power that be were occupied (friday night) and now it's too late.

I think there are many variables to why the coverage of the tournament was as bad as it was.

Here are some:
- A new tournament which need to prove itself.
- No Liquid player playing.
- No foreign players in the finals.
- French being the main language of the tournament.
- No one available to cover the event.
- Didn't pay TL to get a "Partner Portal"-site.
Sea_aeS
Profile Joined November 2011
1025 Posts
May 06 2012 12:02 GMT
#4505
Did the organizers even want to make this tournament a well covered international one ? It seems they were more focused on the french community (and on the crowd which bought tickets ofc).
gloupi78
Profile Joined April 2011
France25 Posts
May 06 2012 12:29 GMT
#4506
Yes they want. There were TB and Appolo, and Khaldor.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 12:34:39
May 06 2012 12:32 GMT
#4507
On May 06 2012 21:02 Sea_aeS wrote:
Did the organizers even want to make this tournament a well covered international one ? It seems they were more focused on the french community (and on the crowd which bought tickets ofc).


Remember it's the first major tournament that takes place in France, and it has not been organized by french esports veterans (there was some, but Pomf & Thud are casters, they didn't organized such things one year ago, etc).

Lessons must be taken, even if this event was a success in a country that sometimes (i would like to say "often", but i think it would be a bit biased) describes video games as a social disease (J. Cheminade, a candidate to the presidential election, spoke a lot about "this plot organized by the US in order that our children become criminals")

On a more personnal note, i think i would have prefered the English cast. It's not that Pomf & Thud are bad casters, but to me it sounds weird in french...
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Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 12:50:58
May 06 2012 12:50 GMT
#4508
On May 06 2012 21:32 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 21:02 Sea_aeS wrote:
Did the organizers even want to make this tournament a well covered international one ? It seems they were more focused on the french community (and on the crowd which bought tickets ofc).


Remember it's the first major tournament that takes place in France, and it has not been organized by french esports veterans (there was some, but Pomf & Thud are casters, they didn't organized such things one year ago, etc).


Um ever heard about ESWC?



http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Electronic_Sports_World_Cup_2011
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ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
May 06 2012 13:01 GMT
#4509
just catching up on the vods, who was that translator guy? looks like mouz biGs, but that doesnt seem right
bisu
gloupi78
Profile Joined April 2011
France25 Posts
May 06 2012 13:02 GMT
#4510
ESWC has been oraganize by esports veterans like Ragnarok said. Iron Squid has been organized by Pomf&Thud who are just casters.
gloupi78
Profile Joined April 2011
France25 Posts
May 06 2012 13:04 GMT
#4511
On May 06 2012 22:01 ramon wrote:
just catching up on the vods, who was that translator guy? looks like mouz biGs, but that doesnt seem right


You are right, it's mouzbiGs.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 13:18:53
May 06 2012 13:06 GMT
#4512
On May 06 2012 14:11 Gorlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 10:34 dragonborn wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:25 tuho12345 wrote:
Symbol macro isn't good at all, he forgot to make units so many games. Like the last game when MMA was constantly making 10 units simultaneously, Symbol had none in his production tab and 2k,1k in banks. He deserved to lose anyway, too bad Nestea fucked up his semi in his best MU, otherwise it'd be a bit better to watch. Or may be Alive vs MMA in the final would have been much better opponent for MMA lol.

you didnt watch the game either your game understanding isnt good.Symbol had infestor tech and was about to making +10 infestors, then MMA's nonstop agression started.He had no time for making these infestors and just make ton of zerglings for defending it.That was amazing timing attack by MMA, nothing wrong with Symbol's macro.

also i can guarantee you, NesTea has %15 chance against MMA with his current ZvT, so Symbol vs MMA final was so much better than this.


Uhhhhhhh
This is Nestea's record in ZvT so far in 2012:

10-6 Alive
4-2 Ganzi
3-2 Jjakji(!!)
1-2 Demuslim
2-1 Sjow
2-1 Mvp(!!)
1-2 Virus
2-0 Keen

Which is way more impressive than Symbol's (granted Symbol really shined this tournament and played better than his record would suggest). I don't know where the fuck you pulled 15%, but even if it was, Symbol's would probably be less than, or maybe about equal to, Nestea's.

uhh Symbol's ZvT record in 2012:
2-1 Polt
3-0 MKP(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
2-1 sC
2-0 PuMa
1-2 MVP
1-2 Rain
2-0 ThorZaIN

if you really think nestea's record impressive than this, LOL.
daviday
Profile Joined September 2011
Hong Kong33 Posts
May 06 2012 13:14 GMT
#4513
The only thing missing was TB and apollo in france !

I'm not sure what's the deal with that. Though they were supposed to be co-organizer of the whole iron squid thing , was it only a casting deal and the rest handled by the frenchs ?

They did a great job anyway. Hope next time stream will be better. Please no more Justin.tv go to owned.tv
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
May 06 2012 13:20 GMT
#4514
On May 06 2012 20:47 Batch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 20:28 Otolia wrote:
On May 06 2012 19:29 Thurken wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:55 Dodgin wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:47 Steveling wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:59 Asha` wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:42 Morrisson wrote:
It's a shame it was not that much put forward by TL... probably one of the best event of the year, at least on par with other events such as DreamHack and MLG and HomeStory Cup... I really dont get it.


People should give Fionn some love because he did write a preview article off his own initiative, there was just no one around for him to get it spotlighted in any way (you can find it in sc2 general)


Yeah, why did TL boycott them. Well not exactly, that's a heavy word, but you get the point.


No one knows except the staff, I'm wondering this myself although I'm sure they have a valid reason.


I heard (by a staff member from a team) that you have to pay TL to get exposure in TL.net . Not sure it is true but it might be the reason.

There is sponsored threads but Iron Squid don't enter in this category of tournament. It's just when the tournament started every people with the power that be were occupied (friday night) and now it's too late.

I think there are many variables to why the coverage of the tournament was as bad as it was.

Here are some:
- A new tournament which need to prove itself.
- No Liquid player playing.
- No foreign players in the finals.
- French being the main language of the tournament.
- No one available to cover the event.
- Didn't pay TL to get a "Partner Portal"-site.

Uhm, most of youre reasons are obviously wrong,...
TL also covered The Gathering, Copenhagen games and the french Lan thing while IPL was on.
I'd say your points 1-4 are wrong. Dont know about the rest.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
May 06 2012 13:27 GMT
#4515
On May 06 2012 22:06 dragonborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 14:11 Gorlin wrote:
On May 06 2012 10:34 dragonborn wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:25 tuho12345 wrote:
Symbol macro isn't good at all, he forgot to make units so many games. Like the last game when MMA was constantly making 10 units simultaneously, Symbol had none in his production tab and 2k,1k in banks. He deserved to lose anyway, too bad Nestea fucked up his semi in his best MU, otherwise it'd be a bit better to watch. Or may be Alive vs MMA in the final would have been much better opponent for MMA lol.

you didnt watch the game either your game understanding isnt good.Symbol had infestor tech and was about to making +10 infestors, then MMA's nonstop agression started.He had no time for making these infestors and just make ton of zerglings for defending it.That was amazing timing attack by MMA, nothing wrong with Symbol's macro.

also i can guarantee you, NesTea has %15 chance against MMA with his current ZvT, so Symbol vs MMA final was so much better than this.


Uhhhhhhh
This is Nestea's record in ZvT so far in 2012:

10-6 Alive
4-2 Ganzi
3-2 Jjakji(!!)
1-2 Demuslim
2-1 Sjow
2-1 Mvp(!!)
1-2 Virus
2-0 Keen

Which is way more impressive than Symbol's (granted Symbol really shined this tournament and played better than his record would suggest). I don't know where the fuck you pulled 15%, but even if it was, Symbol's would probably be less than, or maybe about equal to, Nestea's.

uhh Symbol's ZvT record in 2012:
2-1 Polt
3-0 MKP(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
2-1 sC
2-0 PuMa
1-2 MVP
1-2 Rain
2-0 ThorZaIN

if you really think nestea's record impressive than this, LOL.


I would say it's close. Symbol won't be able to 3-0 MKP again, thats for sure. He played smart and countered MKP's greedy playstyle but MKP won't be making that mistake against him again, trust me.

Other than the 3-0 MKP, I would say Nestea's accomplishments in ZvT are great.
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 06 2012 13:38 GMT
#4516
On May 06 2012 22:14 daviday wrote:
The only thing missing was TB and apollo in france !

I'm not sure what's the deal with that. Though they were supposed to be co-organizer of the whole iron squid thing , was it only a casting deal and the rest handled by the frenchs ?


We were solely contracted to cast, we didn't organize this event.
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dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 14:01:58
May 06 2012 13:58 GMT
#4517
On May 06 2012 22:27 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 22:06 dragonborn wrote:
On May 06 2012 14:11 Gorlin wrote:
On May 06 2012 10:34 dragonborn wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:25 tuho12345 wrote:
Symbol macro isn't good at all, he forgot to make units so many games. Like the last game when MMA was constantly making 10 units simultaneously, Symbol had none in his production tab and 2k,1k in banks. He deserved to lose anyway, too bad Nestea fucked up his semi in his best MU, otherwise it'd be a bit better to watch. Or may be Alive vs MMA in the final would have been much better opponent for MMA lol.

you didnt watch the game either your game understanding isnt good.Symbol had infestor tech and was about to making +10 infestors, then MMA's nonstop agression started.He had no time for making these infestors and just make ton of zerglings for defending it.That was amazing timing attack by MMA, nothing wrong with Symbol's macro.

also i can guarantee you, NesTea has %15 chance against MMA with his current ZvT, so Symbol vs MMA final was so much better than this.


Uhhhhhhh
This is Nestea's record in ZvT so far in 2012:

10-6 Alive
4-2 Ganzi
3-2 Jjakji(!!)
1-2 Demuslim
2-1 Sjow
2-1 Mvp(!!)
1-2 Virus
2-0 Keen

Which is way more impressive than Symbol's (granted Symbol really shined this tournament and played better than his record would suggest). I don't know where the fuck you pulled 15%, but even if it was, Symbol's would probably be less than, or maybe about equal to, Nestea's.

uhh Symbol's ZvT record in 2012:
2-1 Polt
3-0 MKP(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
2-1 sC
2-0 PuMa
1-2 MVP
1-2 Rain
2-0 ThorZaIN

if you really think nestea's record impressive than this, LOL.


I would say it's close. Symbol won't be able to 3-0 MKP again, thats for sure. He played smart and countered MKP's greedy playstyle but MKP won't be making that mistake against him again, trust me.

Other than the 3-0 MKP, I would say Nestea's accomplishments in ZvT are great.

i would say its close as well, but Symbol's ZvT was better at this event.Did you see NesTea's games against aLive? he was so sloppy and aLive isnt even code S level(MMA level) TvZer.

MMA would roflstomp NesTea on finals(probably 4-0), so Symbol vs MMA was better finals.
MSanch
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium89 Posts
May 06 2012 14:26 GMT
#4518
I just came back from France, but wow ! That was my first time in a e-sport show and I loved it.

Even if there was little problems, all the day was stuffed and great. I came to the venue 20 minutes before the start and there was more than 100 meters of queue ! That was the first problem because all the people took more than 1 hour to came in. There was also few technicals problems so it started at 12AM.
But the show was unbelievable, alive vs MMA was epic. All the games were really dynamics and the crowd was really exited. I was really stunned by that level of play. And MMA winning was really great. This series was the best TvT I ever seen IMO.
I'm really waiting the next event to come back again.

The thing with language is that in France and other French region is that the French is really important and I can't see the same event with English casters in the place. So I think the next events will suffer the same difficulties to be view abroad.

I hope MMA will come back in front of the scene with this success. His play really impressed me.
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To bad that he didn't produced battle cruiser in the first game against aLive or used his nuke. It would have been HUGE.
Hds
Profile Joined July 2011
France200 Posts
May 06 2012 14:28 GMT
#4519
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/525804_438233586205227_100000557678012_1535338_856497533_n.jpg

God and my poster ♥
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Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
May 06 2012 14:31 GMT
#4520
Even if you don't usually watch VODs make sure to check these out, man all 4 series were just amazing.

I especially loved watching the ZvZ, I think that's going to be a marquee matchup ala TvT in SC2 once things are said and done.
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