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Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
May 06 2012 14:33 GMT
#4521
On May 06 2012 23:28 Hds wrote:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/525804_438233586205227_100000557678012_1535338_856497533_n.jpg

God and my poster ♥


That photo is amazing, MMA with his welding-helmet-trophy and the poster. I laughed so much about all the helmet-related banter that went on in the LR thread during the closing ceremony.
Such flammable little insects!
Batch
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden692 Posts
May 06 2012 14:39 GMT
#4522
On May 06 2012 22:20 GoSuChicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 20:47 Batch wrote:
On May 06 2012 20:28 Otolia wrote:
On May 06 2012 19:29 Thurken wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:55 Dodgin wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:47 Steveling wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:59 Asha` wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:42 Morrisson wrote:
It's a shame it was not that much put forward by TL... probably one of the best event of the year, at least on par with other events such as DreamHack and MLG and HomeStory Cup... I really dont get it.


People should give Fionn some love because he did write a preview article off his own initiative, there was just no one around for him to get it spotlighted in any way (you can find it in sc2 general)


Yeah, why did TL boycott them. Well not exactly, that's a heavy word, but you get the point.


No one knows except the staff, I'm wondering this myself although I'm sure they have a valid reason.


I heard (by a staff member from a team) that you have to pay TL to get exposure in TL.net . Not sure it is true but it might be the reason.

There is sponsored threads but Iron Squid don't enter in this category of tournament. It's just when the tournament started every people with the power that be were occupied (friday night) and now it's too late.

I think there are many variables to why the coverage of the tournament was as bad as it was.

Here are some:
- A new tournament which need to prove itself.
- No Liquid player playing.
- No foreign players in the finals.
- French being the main language of the tournament.
- No one available to cover the event.
- Didn't pay TL to get a "Partner Portal"-site.

Uhm, most of youre reasons are obviously wrong,...
TL also covered The Gathering, Copenhagen games and the french Lan thing while IPL was on.
I'd say your points 1-4 are wrong. Dont know about the rest.

No, they are not wrong. The tournament was new, no liquid players played in it, no foreign players were in the finals, and french was the main language of tournament. How was any of these points wrong?

I didn't say each of these points by themselves was reasons why the tournament was badly covered. I said that these were the variables which combined resulted in a bad coverage.

How much was the tournaments you mentioned covered? I browsed the featured news around those dates and saw no featured news regarding The Gathering or Copenhagen Games.
The closest to covering I saw was that the thread about Copenhagen Games in SC2 Tourneys forum was started by bumblebee but that was probably because he is from Denmark and was one of the commentators in that tournament...
MSanch
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium89 Posts
May 06 2012 14:40 GMT
#4523
On May 06 2012 23:31 SimDawg wrote:
Even if you don't usually watch VODs make sure to check these out, man all 4 series were just amazing.

I especially loved watching the ZvZ, I think that's going to be a marquee matchup ala TvT in SC2 once things are said and done.

That's true. All the games were really dynamics with always tons of actions.
+ Show Spoiler +
A lot of mobile units in all the games and no turtling strategies made that really exciting. There was not a single broodlord or a siege tank war. All the games were really entertaining.
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
May 06 2012 15:02 GMT
#4524
On May 06 2012 23:39 Batch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 22:20 GoSuChicken wrote:
On May 06 2012 20:47 Batch wrote:
On May 06 2012 20:28 Otolia wrote:
On May 06 2012 19:29 Thurken wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:55 Dodgin wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:47 Steveling wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:59 Asha` wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:42 Morrisson wrote:
It's a shame it was not that much put forward by TL... probably one of the best event of the year, at least on par with other events such as DreamHack and MLG and HomeStory Cup... I really dont get it.


People should give Fionn some love because he did write a preview article off his own initiative, there was just no one around for him to get it spotlighted in any way (you can find it in sc2 general)


Yeah, why did TL boycott them. Well not exactly, that's a heavy word, but you get the point.


No one knows except the staff, I'm wondering this myself although I'm sure they have a valid reason.


I heard (by a staff member from a team) that you have to pay TL to get exposure in TL.net . Not sure it is true but it might be the reason.

There is sponsored threads but Iron Squid don't enter in this category of tournament. It's just when the tournament started every people with the power that be were occupied (friday night) and now it's too late.

I think there are many variables to why the coverage of the tournament was as bad as it was.

Here are some:
- A new tournament which need to prove itself.
- No Liquid player playing.
- No foreign players in the finals.
- French being the main language of the tournament.
- No one available to cover the event.
- Didn't pay TL to get a "Partner Portal"-site.

Uhm, most of youre reasons are obviously wrong,...
TL also covered The Gathering, Copenhagen games and the french Lan thing while IPL was on.
I'd say your points 1-4 are wrong. Dont know about the rest.

No, they are not wrong. The tournament was new, no liquid players played in it, no foreign players were in the finals, and french was the main language of tournament. How was any of these points wrong?

I didn't say each of these points by themselves was reasons why the tournament was badly covered. I said that these were the variables which combined resulted in a bad coverage.

How much was the tournaments you mentioned covered? I browsed the featured news around those dates and saw no featured news regarding The Gathering or Copenhagen Games.
The closest to covering I saw was that the thread about Copenhagen Games in SC2 Tourneys forum was started by bumblebee but that was probably because he is from Denmark and was one of the commentators in that tournament...


The trio of EU tournaments was covered in the Featured News in a single article:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326226
Such flammable little insects!
SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
May 06 2012 15:07 GMT
#4525
On May 06 2012 20:47 Batch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 20:28 Otolia wrote:
On May 06 2012 19:29 Thurken wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:55 Dodgin wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:47 Steveling wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:59 Asha` wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:42 Morrisson wrote:
It's a shame it was not that much put forward by TL... probably one of the best event of the year, at least on par with other events such as DreamHack and MLG and HomeStory Cup... I really dont get it.


People should give Fionn some love because he did write a preview article off his own initiative, there was just no one around for him to get it spotlighted in any way (you can find it in sc2 general)


Yeah, why did TL boycott them. Well not exactly, that's a heavy word, but you get the point.


No one knows except the staff, I'm wondering this myself although I'm sure they have a valid reason.


I heard (by a staff member from a team) that you have to pay TL to get exposure in TL.net . Not sure it is true but it might be the reason.

There is sponsored threads but Iron Squid don't enter in this category of tournament. It's just when the tournament started every people with the power that be were occupied (friday night) and now it's too late.

I think there are many variables to why the coverage of the tournament was as bad as it was.

Here are some:
- A new tournament which need to prove itself.
- No Liquid player playing.
- No foreign players in the finals.
- French being the main language of the tournament.
- No one available to cover the event.
- Didn't pay TL to get a "Partner Portal"-site.


Hero was
SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
May 06 2012 15:10 GMT
#4526
On May 06 2012 20:47 Batch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 20:28 Otolia wrote:
On May 06 2012 19:29 Thurken wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:55 Dodgin wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:47 Steveling wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:59 Asha` wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:42 Morrisson wrote:
It's a shame it was not that much put forward by TL... probably one of the best event of the year, at least on par with other events such as DreamHack and MLG and HomeStory Cup... I really dont get it.


People should give Fionn some love because he did write a preview article off his own initiative, there was just no one around for him to get it spotlighted in any way (you can find it in sc2 general)


Yeah, why did TL boycott them. Well not exactly, that's a heavy word, but you get the point.


No one knows except the staff, I'm wondering this myself although I'm sure they have a valid reason.


I heard (by a staff member from a team) that you have to pay TL to get exposure in TL.net . Not sure it is true but it might be the reason.

There is sponsored threads but Iron Squid don't enter in this category of tournament. It's just when the tournament started every people with the power that be were occupied (friday night) and now it's too late.

I think there are many variables to why the coverage of the tournament was as bad as it was.

Here are some:
- A new tournament which need to prove itself.
- No Liquid player playing.
- No foreign players in the finals.
- French being the main language of the tournament.
- No one available to cover the event.
- Didn't pay TL to get a "Partner Portal"-site.


Hero was competing in Iron Squid. I think an explanation could be that the format was a bit similar to TSL and they saw it as a competitor or something.
GreyishTommy
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland147 Posts
May 06 2012 15:12 GMT
#4527
On May 07 2012 00:10 SolidMustard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 20:47 Batch wrote:
On May 06 2012 20:28 Otolia wrote:
On May 06 2012 19:29 Thurken wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:55 Dodgin wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:47 Steveling wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:59 Asha` wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:42 Morrisson wrote:
It's a shame it was not that much put forward by TL... probably one of the best event of the year, at least on par with other events such as DreamHack and MLG and HomeStory Cup... I really dont get it.


People should give Fionn some love because he did write a preview article off his own initiative, there was just no one around for him to get it spotlighted in any way (you can find it in sc2 general)


Yeah, why did TL boycott them. Well not exactly, that's a heavy word, but you get the point.


No one knows except the staff, I'm wondering this myself although I'm sure they have a valid reason.


I heard (by a staff member from a team) that you have to pay TL to get exposure in TL.net . Not sure it is true but it might be the reason.

There is sponsored threads but Iron Squid don't enter in this category of tournament. It's just when the tournament started every people with the power that be were occupied (friday night) and now it's too late.

I think there are many variables to why the coverage of the tournament was as bad as it was.

Here are some:
- A new tournament which need to prove itself.
- No Liquid player playing.
- No foreign players in the finals.
- French being the main language of the tournament.
- No one available to cover the event.
- Didn't pay TL to get a "Partner Portal"-site.


Hero was competing in Iron Squid. I think an explanation could be that the format was a bit similar to TSL and they saw it as a competitor or something.

HerO wasn't competing, but Ret was
MKP/Bomber/ForGG/Creator/Jjakji/SuperNova/San/Byul/Life/DRG/HerO/Seed
SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
May 06 2012 15:19 GMT
#4528
On May 07 2012 00:12 GreyishTommy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 00:10 SolidMustard wrote:
On May 06 2012 20:47 Batch wrote:
On May 06 2012 20:28 Otolia wrote:
On May 06 2012 19:29 Thurken wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:55 Dodgin wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:47 Steveling wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:59 Asha` wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:42 Morrisson wrote:
It's a shame it was not that much put forward by TL... probably one of the best event of the year, at least on par with other events such as DreamHack and MLG and HomeStory Cup... I really dont get it.


People should give Fionn some love because he did write a preview article off his own initiative, there was just no one around for him to get it spotlighted in any way (you can find it in sc2 general)


Yeah, why did TL boycott them. Well not exactly, that's a heavy word, but you get the point.


No one knows except the staff, I'm wondering this myself although I'm sure they have a valid reason.


I heard (by a staff member from a team) that you have to pay TL to get exposure in TL.net . Not sure it is true but it might be the reason.

There is sponsored threads but Iron Squid don't enter in this category of tournament. It's just when the tournament started every people with the power that be were occupied (friday night) and now it's too late.

I think there are many variables to why the coverage of the tournament was as bad as it was.

Here are some:
- A new tournament which need to prove itself.
- No Liquid player playing.
- No foreign players in the finals.
- French being the main language of the tournament.
- No one available to cover the event.
- Didn't pay TL to get a "Partner Portal"-site.


Hero was competing in Iron Squid. I think an explanation could be that the format was a bit similar to TSL and they saw it as a competitor or something.

HerO wasn't competing, but Ret was


Yeah, my bad, I remembered a Liquid vs. EG match and I counfounded with Hero vs. Puma
renkin
Profile Joined July 2010
France249 Posts
May 06 2012 15:19 GMT
#4529
I have to say the Iron Squid was the best finals I saw yet, not because of the games or the players but how they made this event more mainstream :

- showmatches with popular non sc2-related guests
- casting more action oriented and a in-depth analysis after the game with a specific guest
- almost no waiting time : there was always something going on on stage.
- Event organized in a theater, not in a game specific convention.
- the Live Event feeling : 4 man band In Uchronia playing out on stage everything that was going on. Just like in US talk shows.
- Another live performance of Mr Vert, who got backed up by In Uchronia for a song. Original !
And of course the people and the passion !

I'm glad they just didn't copy the other tournaments and found their tone. It was pure entertainment and fun.
Ok I'm french and it definitely worked better on me than any other.
I hope TL is going to do more this time.
LIIRV
Profile Joined April 2012
United States11 Posts
May 06 2012 15:24 GMT
#4530
The guests told so much sxxt and wasted so much time. Also the director is somehow unprofessional that he didn't change to game view after game started for several times.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
May 06 2012 15:29 GMT
#4531
On May 06 2012 01:41 Ocbs wrote:
All the french people switched to the english stream, the 2 french casters for this game are terrible.

you must be the only I heard saying this. You're wrong man, you should realize it.
Ushido
Profile Joined June 2011
France19 Posts
May 06 2012 15:36 GMT
#4532
You can find 3 complete albums showing the place, the scene and backstage on our Facebook page :

https://www.facebook.com/SC2Replay/photos

Enjoy
Ushido from sc2replay.fr, Platine Zerg Player
gloupi78
Profile Joined April 2011
France25 Posts
May 06 2012 15:49 GMT
#4533
On May 07 2012 00:36 Ushido wrote:
You can find 3 complete albums showing the place, the scene and backstage on our Facebook page :

https://www.facebook.com/SC2Replay/photos

Enjoy


Great photos !
Vawa Nudis
Profile Joined May 2012
France1 Post
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 16:33:01
May 06 2012 16:02 GMT
#4534
In France, so much buzz about this event with their Youtube channel and the esport sites. The hall opened at 10am and I arrived at 8am: there were already 50 people. Many people coming from far away just for this event.
The tension was at its peak, I was in the second row. The room was full.
Yes we scream all the time. But we waited so long for such an event.
The Grand Rex is a legendary venue in Paris! 2600 (2800?) seats.
A great atmosphere. A guy who cried every 30 minutes "naked!" Sometimes we cried for nothing, especially during interviews. Our four Koreans are so quiet we wanted to show them our love!

There will be two Iron Squid for September, announced at the end.

The ESWC was not at all alike, even if it was as great when Stephano won! It was a great show, Pomf & Thud are awesome.

Standing ovation for Symbol when he won against Nestea! Incredible.

Nestea we love you! We cried every time we saw him! He looked so embarrassed.
Little video of Nestea:



Hds
Profile Joined July 2011
France200 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 16:07:59
May 06 2012 16:04 GMT
#4535
Good video :D
Watily! ♥
Firereaver
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
India1701 Posts
May 06 2012 16:43 GMT
#4536
On May 06 2012 05:46 Nyarly wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/Jgv7D.jpg
:D

The man in the Iron Mask is actually MMA?
Mind=blown!
[image loading]
"They drone drone drone , me win" - JangMinChul(Iron/oGsMC)
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 16:45:38
May 06 2012 16:45 GMT
#4537
On May 07 2012 00:29 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 01:41 Ocbs wrote:
All the french people switched to the english stream, the 2 french casters for this game are terrible.

you must be the only I heard saying this. You're wrong man, you should realize it.


This is not completely false. I think many people switched not because P&T are bad casters (they sureley aren't), but more because of French. I am french, and i really prefer an english casting over a french one, even with the same "level of casting".

But definitely not "all" the french people. P&T have a quite big fanbase in France, so definitely no.
LiquipediaWanderer
Firereaver
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
India1701 Posts
May 06 2012 16:51 GMT
#4538
Also just wanted to say that this clip made my day!
On May 06 2012 18:13 Insoleet wrote:

"They drone drone drone , me win" - JangMinChul(Iron/oGsMC)
Sikly
Profile Joined June 2011
United States413 Posts
May 06 2012 16:51 GMT
#4539
On May 06 2012 15:36 tuho12345 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 15:21 Gorlin wrote:
On May 06 2012 15:10 tuho12345 wrote:
On May 06 2012 10:34 dragonborn wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:25 tuho12345 wrote:
Symbol macro isn't good at all, he forgot to make units so many games. Like the last game when MMA was constantly making 10 units simultaneously, Symbol had none in his production tab and 2k,1k in banks. He deserved to lose anyway, too bad Nestea fucked up his semi in his best MU, otherwise it'd be a bit better to watch. Or may be Alive vs MMA in the final would have been much better opponent for MMA lol.

you didnt watch the game either your game understanding isnt good.Symbol had infestor tech and was about to making +10 infestors, then MMA's nonstop agression started.He had no time for making these infestors and just make ton of zerglings for defending it.That was amazing timing attack by MMA, nothing wrong with Symbol's macro.

also i can guarantee you, NesTea has %15 chance against MMA with his current ZvT, so Symbol vs MMA final was so much better than this.

I didn't talk about 1 game or 1 specific moment. I watched all 5 games and you said I didn't watch or understand? Zerg is much easier to macro than terran in those situations. While Z just whole down 1 hotkeys to spam units, terran on the other hands has to micro their ass off on multi front and macro from 4 different production facilities. Also Terran had to move back to their base to grab their units, Zerg while defending just has to rally units easily.

Symbol sucks at macro-ing and multitasking, I dislike Nestea but anyone know that he beat MVP at GSL this season. Nestea sucks at microing, but the guy is the best macro Zerg out there belong with DRG. He won 3 GSLs for a reason ok.


Uhhhhhh
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I'm not sure how to respond. I guess you're right, zerg is a joke to play, Symbol sucks, just had to hold down one button.
Riiiight
edt: Ok looked at your past posts, they are all this silly. Wow

You said Symbol couldn't macro b/c MMA was too aggressive? Then how did MMA's macro anyway?


Zerg operate far different than Terran. Zerg generally pool money/larva for when certain tech pops and than spend it all at once. If an attack by a terran hits prior to, or during, when those tech units are popping, your going to lack units. If its before those tech units start being built, you can instead build other units, which generally cost far less, leaving you with a bank and no larva. It's not that Symbol couldn't macro, its that in the position he was in he had no way to probably produce the proper units. It's a rather common problem and one that really separates the master's of the zerg race from the good of the zerg race.

As Terran, you should(and MMA almost always does) have perfect production for their economy. They generally will have exactly enough rax/factories/starports that are constantly pumping out units 95%+ of the time after they get their techlab/reactor on. Terran can't save minerals/gas and dump them into a unit because of how their production works. If they stop producing they are simply behind on units until they max out. It is actually one of the reasons Terran are harder at the lower levels, a single missed production round means your at least 10 supply down until you max. It's also the reason Terran don't float money nearly as highly as protoss and zerg do early game.
ydeer1993
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom569 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 17:18:23
May 06 2012 17:13 GMT
#4540
what was the custom game they was playing?

Edit - its Georgeopolis , for anyone who might of wanted to know.
**MMA** - MVP - Seed !
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