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On May 07 2012 03:28 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 02:44 Dekkers wrote:On May 07 2012 01:45 Ragnarork wrote:On May 07 2012 00:29 samurai80 wrote:On May 06 2012 01:41 Ocbs wrote:
All the french people switched to the english stream, the 2 french casters for this game are terrible. you must be the only I heard saying this. You're wrong man, you should realize it. This is not completely false. I think many people switched not because P&T are bad casters (they sureley aren't), but more because of French. I am french, and i really prefer an english casting over a french one, even with the same "level of casting". But definitely not "all" the french people. P&T have a quite big fanbase in France, so definitely no. I said it before, butit's quite funny because the French people who don't like P&T have the same reasons of disliking them than the foreign people to like them(they yell too much, not enough analytic shoutcasting). Well, i enjoy the "spectacle shoutcasting" the most, maybe because i have enough game knowledge to actualy know what's going on. I would always favor a TB/Apollo cast over a Tastosis one, TB/Apollo is an awsome duo, Apollo balancing the "funny" side of TB by an impressive game knowledge. I would say DJ Wheat/Mr Bitter come after, and Tastosis in last(i realy can't enjoy them, ive tried a lot of times, i don't deny their game knowledge or anything, but you know it just does not suit me). Browse all the Thread and you'll see posts saying"WOw French casters are realy into it" or "They know how to work a crowd", all being by foreign people, whereas in some cases you'll see french comments like "I can't stand the non stop yelling" or "They are obviously lacking game knowledge". I didn't say they were bad (re-read my post), i actually think they're pretty good for the reasons you say. My point was that if french people switched to TB/Apollo during Iron Squid, it was NOT necessarily because they were bad. And moreover, different people enjoy different kind of casters. You seem not to like much tastosis, yet they have a lot of fans. It may be preferences for such or such casters, it may be preference for english over french, but not necessarily because they're bad casters, who they aren't, seeing the number of fans they have.
One thing I'm gonna say, from all the live events I've seen or commentated, there is not a single casting team in the entire world that seems to get the crowd as riled as P&T. I've seen 3 P&T commentated events now, ESWC, OGaming and Iron Squid. Each one of them was NUTS. I attended OGaming live, didn't exactly understand much of what was being said but the atmosphere just blew everything else away. Dreamhack isn't as hyped as that was, MLG isn't as hyped. They have a way with the crowd that nobody else has, when you go to a P&T event it's an EVENT, it's a full on entertainment spectacle. The boundless enthusiasm those two put out is impossible to resist and no other casters in the world are showmen like those guys are.
They're definitely doing something very very right. Even if it only appeals to a certain demographic, well that's every caster in a nutshell, we all have our fans and detractors, we all appeal to some people and not others, even Day9 and Tastosis have this issue, no-one is loved by all from a casting perspective.
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Where the hell can I watch the english VODs for the grand finals?
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On May 07 2012 05:45 Proseat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 10:30 RagequitBM wrote:I should have known. Liquipedia has everything! Thanks! The player themes composed by In Uchronia for IronSquid can all be found and listened to here: http://soundcloud.com/inuchronia/tracksThey are all so awesome! I can't decide which is my favorite, probably the NesTea and MC themes!  What do others like? And Blood Shall Be Poured - Main Theme IronSquid Aurora Borealis - Leenock's Theme Above - Nerchio's Theme Tangled Nightmare - Nestea's Theme The Day Before - HasuObs' Theme Quantum Dream - Alive's Theme Ordo Ab Chao - Stephano's Theme Until Their Last Breath - ToD's Theme Legion's Forge - Thorzain's Theme Freed From Sanity - Symbol's Theme Forbidden Enclosure - Ret's Theme Iron Will - Puma's Theme World Eater - MVP's Theme The Whisper That Raised Their Souls - MMA's Theme Riders - MKP's Theme Twilight Gathering - MC's Theme Forgotten Heroes - Mana's Theme Devouring Hazard - Life's Theme Myst Embrace - Jjakji's Theme Soulblast - Idra's Theme Red Dust - Boxer's Theme
Thank man, i love Boxer's theme
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Cool thanks
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On May 07 2012 06:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 03:28 Ragnarork wrote:On May 07 2012 02:44 Dekkers wrote:On May 07 2012 01:45 Ragnarork wrote:On May 07 2012 00:29 samurai80 wrote:On May 06 2012 01:41 Ocbs wrote:
All the french people switched to the english stream, the 2 french casters for this game are terrible. you must be the only I heard saying this. You're wrong man, you should realize it. This is not completely false. I think many people switched not because P&T are bad casters (they sureley aren't), but more because of French. I am french, and i really prefer an english casting over a french one, even with the same "level of casting". But definitely not "all" the french people. P&T have a quite big fanbase in France, so definitely no. I said it before, butit's quite funny because the French people who don't like P&T have the same reasons of disliking them than the foreign people to like them(they yell too much, not enough analytic shoutcasting). Well, i enjoy the "spectacle shoutcasting" the most, maybe because i have enough game knowledge to actualy know what's going on. I would always favor a TB/Apollo cast over a Tastosis one, TB/Apollo is an awsome duo, Apollo balancing the "funny" side of TB by an impressive game knowledge. I would say DJ Wheat/Mr Bitter come after, and Tastosis in last(i realy can't enjoy them, ive tried a lot of times, i don't deny their game knowledge or anything, but you know it just does not suit me). Browse all the Thread and you'll see posts saying"WOw French casters are realy into it" or "They know how to work a crowd", all being by foreign people, whereas in some cases you'll see french comments like "I can't stand the non stop yelling" or "They are obviously lacking game knowledge". I didn't say they were bad (re-read my post), i actually think they're pretty good for the reasons you say. My point was that if french people switched to TB/Apollo during Iron Squid, it was NOT necessarily because they were bad. And moreover, different people enjoy different kind of casters. You seem not to like much tastosis, yet they have a lot of fans. It may be preferences for such or such casters, it may be preference for english over french, but not necessarily because they're bad casters, who they aren't, seeing the number of fans they have. One thing I'm gonna say, from all the live events I've seen or commentated, there is not a single casting team in the entire world that seems to get the crowd as riled as P&T. I've seen 3 P&T commentated events now, ESWC, OGaming and Iron Squid. Each one of them was NUTS. I attended OGaming live, didn't exactly understand much of what was being said but the atmosphere just blew everything else away. Dreamhack isn't as hyped as that was, MLG isn't as hyped. They have a way with the crowd that nobody else has, when you go to a P&T event it's an EVENT, it's a full on entertainment spectacle. The boundless enthusiasm those two put out is impossible to resist and no other casters in the world are showmen like those guys are. They're definitely doing something very very right. Even if it only appeals to a certain demographic, well that's every caster in a nutshell, we all have our fans and detractors, we all appeal to some people and not others, even Day9 and Tastosis have this issue, no-one is loved by all from a casting perspective.
We are lucky enough to have an impressive pool of casters, we just have to choose the duo we like the most.
That said, i like tournaments where casters are constantly switching(hearing the same voice tone for 6 hours straight annoys me).
I remember a tournament where LiquidHero won(maybe Dreamhack Winter 2011, i don't remember), you guys were constantly switching, breaking traditionals duo and forming new ones, two would shoutcast while the others will stay on the couch to give their impression after the match, that was the greatest formula ever.
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On May 07 2012 07:46 Dekkers wrote:
We are lucky enough to have an impressive pool of casters, we just have to choose the duo we like the most.
That said, i like tournaments where casters are constantly switching(hearing the same voice tone for 6 hours straight annoys me).
I remember a tournament where LiquidHero won(maybe Dreamhack Winter 2011, i don't remember), you guys were constantly switching, breaking traditionals duo and forming new ones, two would shoutcast while the others will stay on the couch to give their impression after the match, that was the greatest formula ever.
That was Dreamhack Winter. There were 3 main casting teams, we did "break" the teams at points mostly because the schedule was hell and 4/6 casters were ill by the end of it. Artosis lost his voice at one point so Apollo went to cast with Tasteless while I cast with TLO for instance. Finals was all 3 casting teams, RO4 match 1 me and Apollo, RO4 match 2 Day9+Bitter, Finals Tastosis, with the other casters on the couch.
Just fyi
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On May 06 2012 08:13 LaLuSh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 05:43 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 06 2012 05:41 Antithesis wrote:On May 06 2012 05:38 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 06 2012 05:35 Flonomenalz wrote:On May 06 2012 05:33 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 06 2012 05:32 Diavlo wrote:On May 06 2012 05:29 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 06 2012 05:27 Tachion wrote:On May 06 2012 05:26 dAPhREAk wrote:
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if you hatch first then you are delaying your spawning pool.... every pro zerg in the world would hatch first there. That wasn't the issue. what was the issue? That a strategy like proxy two-rax getting scouted and still doing so much damage on a regualr opening is problematic. Symbol would have been dead hadn't he been lucky to find out. why is that problematic? he scouted it after both raxes were almost done and after he had already invested in hatch first (a build a proxy 2-rax is intended to punish). what other opening is zerg supposed to use against terran? u cannot scout a 2 rax in time to do anything other than hatch first, symbol got a 13 pool and STILL couldnt prevent a bunker. how is that not problematic? even if he had opened 14/14, mma would see no expo, lift his rax, drop a cc, build a bunker or two, and still be ahead. i see no problem with terrans abusing zerg's apparent inability to innovate. Ya, zergs really should innvoate their entire game plan 3 minutes in the game. There are countless unexplored options before 16 supply. down 1-3 on a cross-positions map against MMA. dont play the safest early build (pool first). yeah, still not feeling too much pity. One would think the fact that you're bronze league would dissuade you from continuing to give shit advice. But no. That doesn't seem to hinder you at all. You should go on reddit. You seem to fit right in with the rest of them. That's where the people who haven't had the game installed on their computers for 1½ year, but still feel entilted to give theoretically revolutionary advice, go to circlejerk.
oh, i am terribly offended. you said i am in bronze league? yet, i am not. i have been masters since the game came out. am i good? no. i have seen you play as well. do i feel the need to say how bad you are considering you devote your time to this game? not really.
you think i am giving advice? yet, i am not. all i said was that someone going proxy 2-rax against a hatch first build is likely going to do some damage to counter the morons who continue to imply that its some imbalanced matchup. i also said that predicting a cheese in a 1-3 score on a cross-positions map is probably a good idea. and, alas, i was right in this circumstance.
thanks for contributing though.
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Star Wars: The Told Republic. I'm old enough to be your father!
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do the vods freeze every so often for anyone else? like the timer still goes but everythign freezes
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I would just like to say thank you to the organisers of the Iron Squid tournament, for putting on such an entertaining tournament. You had quality invited players, the best French and English casters and it all came together with great panache in the Final Tournament this weekend. Hopefully this has proven profitable and enjoyable enough for you to continue hosting SC2 competitions because this was really well done, especially for a first try.
I now regard IronSquid as a by-word for a quality SC2 Tournament that Europe can be proud of, alongside Dreamhack, Assembly and IEM. Take a bow!
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What a great venue and atmosphere I certainly enjoyed the tournament and was blown away by how epic it was! Great interview with MMA, and I hope to see less laggy streams in the future 
Ironsquid is a new contender IMO, and can be proud of their content!
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On May 07 2012 03:28 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 02:44 Dekkers wrote:On May 07 2012 01:45 Ragnarork wrote:On May 07 2012 00:29 samurai80 wrote:On May 06 2012 01:41 Ocbs wrote:
All the french people switched to the english stream, the 2 french casters for this game are terrible. you must be the only I heard saying this. You're wrong man, you should realize it. This is not completely false. I think many people switched not because P&T are bad casters (they sureley aren't), but more because of French. I am french, and i really prefer an english casting over a french one, even with the same "level of casting". But definitely not "all" the french people. P&T have a quite big fanbase in France, so definitely no. I said it before, butit's quite funny because the French people who don't like P&T have the same reasons of disliking them than the foreign people to like them(they yell too much, not enough analytic shoutcasting). Well, i enjoy the "spectacle shoutcasting" the most, maybe because i have enough game knowledge to actualy know what's going on. I would always favor a TB/Apollo cast over a Tastosis one, TB/Apollo is an awsome duo, Apollo balancing the "funny" side of TB by an impressive game knowledge. I would say DJ Wheat/Mr Bitter come after, and Tastosis in last(i realy can't enjoy them, ive tried a lot of times, i don't deny their game knowledge or anything, but you know it just does not suit me). Browse all the Thread and you'll see posts saying"WOw French casters are realy into it" or "They know how to work a crowd", all being by foreign people, whereas in some cases you'll see french comments like "I can't stand the non stop yelling" or "They are obviously lacking game knowledge". I didn't say they were bad (re-read my post), i actually think they're pretty good for the reasons you say. My point was that if french people switched to TB/Apollo during Iron Squid, it was NOT necessarily because they were bad. And moreover, different people enjoy different kind of casters. You seem not to like much tastosis, yet they have a lot of fans. It may be preferences for such or such casters, it may be preference for english over french, but not necessarily because they're bad casters, who they aren't, seeing the number of fans they have.
I understand your point of view. When i watched the online games of iron squid, i always looked for Apollo and TB. But on live P&T was the perfect match. That was awesome because the crowd loves them and they make us feel the game. A live event is rally different from a stream and they did how they had to do for a live event imo.
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On May 07 2012 06:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:
One thing I'm gonna say, from all the live events I've seen or commentated, there is not a single casting team in the entire world that seems to get the crowd as riled as P&T. I've seen 3 P&T commentated events now, ESWC, OGaming and Iron Squid. Each one of them was NUTS. I attended OGaming live, didn't exactly understand much of what was being said but the atmosphere just blew everything else away. Dreamhack isn't as hyped as that was, MLG isn't as hyped. They have a way with the crowd that nobody else has, when you go to a P&T event it's an EVENT, it's a full on entertainment spectacle. The boundless enthusiasm those two put out is impossible to resist and no other casters in the world are showmen like those guys are.
They're definitely doing something very very right. Even if it only appeals to a certain demographic, well that's every caster in a nutshell, we all have our fans and detractors, we all appeal to some people and not others, even Day9 and Tastosis have this issue, no-one is loved by all from a casting perspective.
I totally agree with this.
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OMG NESTEA AND MMA? good thing i checked the iron squid to see who was in the finals!
NESTEA FIGHTING MMA is fine too
edit; oops it's over lol
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France9034 Posts
On May 07 2012 09:35 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
OMG NESTEA AND MMA? good thing i checked the iron squid to see who was in the finals!
NESTEA FIGHTING MMA is fine too
edit; oops it's over lol
And sadly they didn't encounter each other. Would have loved MMA vs Nestea.
Btw, you can watch the games here http://www.twitch.tv/ironsquid/ .
Awesome stuff in quite all the matches.
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Thanks! <3
Hmm sad to see nestea lose 3-1 to symbol in a zvz but at least he beat alive this time! :D
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France9034 Posts
Symbol's games are worth seeing, trust me. The way he outsmarted Nestea was spectacular.
Enjoy !
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On May 07 2012 06:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 03:28 Ragnarork wrote:On May 07 2012 02:44 Dekkers wrote:On May 07 2012 01:45 Ragnarork wrote:On May 07 2012 00:29 samurai80 wrote:On May 06 2012 01:41 Ocbs wrote:
All the french people switched to the english stream, the 2 french casters for this game are terrible. you must be the only I heard saying this. You're wrong man, you should realize it. This is not completely false. I think many people switched not because P&T are bad casters (they sureley aren't), but more because of French. I am french, and i really prefer an english casting over a french one, even with the same "level of casting". But definitely not "all" the french people. P&T have a quite big fanbase in France, so definitely no. I said it before, butit's quite funny because the French people who don't like P&T have the same reasons of disliking them than the foreign people to like them(they yell too much, not enough analytic shoutcasting). Well, i enjoy the "spectacle shoutcasting" the most, maybe because i have enough game knowledge to actualy know what's going on. I would always favor a TB/Apollo cast over a Tastosis one, TB/Apollo is an awsome duo, Apollo balancing the "funny" side of TB by an impressive game knowledge. I would say DJ Wheat/Mr Bitter come after, and Tastosis in last(i realy can't enjoy them, ive tried a lot of times, i don't deny their game knowledge or anything, but you know it just does not suit me). Browse all the Thread and you'll see posts saying"WOw French casters are realy into it" or "They know how to work a crowd", all being by foreign people, whereas in some cases you'll see french comments like "I can't stand the non stop yelling" or "They are obviously lacking game knowledge". I didn't say they were bad (re-read my post), i actually think they're pretty good for the reasons you say. My point was that if french people switched to TB/Apollo during Iron Squid, it was NOT necessarily because they were bad. And moreover, different people enjoy different kind of casters. You seem not to like much tastosis, yet they have a lot of fans. It may be preferences for such or such casters, it may be preference for english over french, but not necessarily because they're bad casters, who they aren't, seeing the number of fans they have. One thing I'm gonna say, from all the live events I've seen or commentated, there is not a single casting team in the entire world that seems to get the crowd as riled as P&T. I've seen 3 P&T commentated events now, ESWC, OGaming and Iron Squid. Each one of them was NUTS. I attended OGaming live, didn't exactly understand much of what was being said but the atmosphere just blew everything else away. Dreamhack isn't as hyped as that was, MLG isn't as hyped. They have a way with the crowd that nobody else has, when you go to a P&T event it's an EVENT, it's a full on entertainment spectacle. The boundless enthusiasm those two put out is impossible to resist and no other casters in the world are showmen like those guys are. They're definitely doing something very very right. Even if it only appeals to a certain demographic, well that's every caster in a nutshell, we all have our fans and detractors, we all appeal to some people and not others, even Day9 and Tastosis have this issue, no-one is loved by all from a casting perspective.
I can only echo this, after having attended this aMMAzing event with only fairly limited French skills. I really regret only having a couple of years of French class under the belt. Not to mention it has also been quite awhile ago.
Yet for my mate and myself this event was simply incredible, the casters got the crowd so insanely riled up, holy shit P&T you guys rock, aswell as ZeratoR, An0ss & MoMaN actually. Great to see the fans cheering almost as loud as for the players when you all arrived. Aswell as already going nuts at the first blood of every single game, and once the real action started just plain going berzerk!
I have to admit it was our first big event (so i cant personally compare to others) but in the end we were also chanting like the rest of the crowd. Yet almost everytime when the answers from the players got translated it went almost deadly silent, only to burst out in cheers after hearing the banter/taunting. The games were all very entertaining, and too many great moments to mention. I'm gonna fully watch back the vods for sure to relive the experience though!
We also had a very friendly French fan sitting next to us who kindly translated some interviews and such, shoutout to you man <3
The cinema-screen wasnt only huge but also so freaking crispy clear, imagine 1080+ but on a screen over 9000 times bigger, damn. I really loved the live music aswell, starting with the DJ on the balcony before the show and then the live music by both In Uchronia and Mr Vert/Green. Mad props to everyone else involved to the production of this incredible tournament aswell, was great to finally meet some of you aswell!
What a great way to end this, i'm already looking forwards to Iron Squid #2. Which i'm sure will be even bigger and better, eventhough at this point this might seem hard to believe. =)
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