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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
On March 16 2012 11:46 IMoperator wrote: Eh, didnt watch first games so idk what happened. Doesn't matter. Better is comparative, and competition in gaming is zero-sum. Even if you believe that TLO's win was completely due to Gumiho throwing the game away, Gumiho's throwing away the game when TLO did not throw the game away means that TLO played better in that series. | ||
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OrderlyChaos
United States1115 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Just one more series to go! | ||
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kerpal
United Kingdom2695 Posts
On March 16 2012 11:42 IMoperator wrote: Are you actually trying to argue that TLO is better than gumiho? I'm saying that the predictions were more than justified seeing as you had three code S/A players playing for fxo and two code S players for liquid.. making it 3-2 before you even take the fact that sheth is playing AMAZING atm. if you predict based on GSL rank then sheth isn't even code B but he outplayed lucky tonight. TLO played well against gumiho playing badly... you can't say that the predictions were right, because they were WRONG. Gumiho is a great player, but a prediction isn't 'who is a better player' it's 'who is going to win' (and many people predict who will win based on who is a better player, but sometimes those predictions are wrong) plus... it's hard to liquibet against TL right now in a team match. EDIT lol.. nvm you have plenty of people replying to you right now! | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On March 16 2012 11:46 SCST wrote: Have some class. Rather than whining and complaining that TLO didn't deserve his win or isn't the better player, you could just say "congrats, TLO played better today". Unfortunately your ego and hate for TL won't let you do that. All you're doing is making everyone laugh at you as if your a sore loser . . . . lol =) Loool, I'm not even a big fan of FXO, but they're not doing very well in this team league for some reason or another. People just like seeing foreigners win, but i wouldn't put too much weight into this tournament. | ||
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00Visor
4337 Posts
On March 16 2012 11:46 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: No, he's not stupid enough to make the fallacious claim that one player, such as Gumiho is categorically "better" than another and therefore should've won even though he lost. He's saying TLO played better and thus, won. That is fact, and that is undeniable. Claims like lag are both unfalsifiable and fallacious, inherently skewed by bias. Claims that Nestea intentionally threw his games against MVP at blizzcon prove this, as now it's generally understood that Nestea has atrocious late-late ZvT Nobody claims lag. Worse player win vs better players all the time. Its just stupid to say someone is better because he wins a Bo3 over someone else. (he was better on that day yes) If you compare the record of 2 players where one is better, its about 60-40 or 70-30, so on a good day or with some luck the worse can win a Bo3. | ||
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Pocky52
United States463 Posts
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
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Shardz
United States349 Posts
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On March 16 2012 11:55 Shardz wrote: Wow I can't believe Oz lost a set of PvP, how did the games look like? First game hero got dts oz had no detection. Second game oz went for colossus on 2 base while hero went pure blink stalker/sentry and had more gates. | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
I like how the prediction poll shifted from FXO to Liquid after the games were played :p | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On March 16 2012 11:39 SCST wrote: Quick! Prepare for all the whiners making excuses for Oz losing to Hero . . . latency, jetlag, hurt wrist.... Oh and GJ Liquid, great play today! 3-0'd FXO! Nerves of course, even though Hero has like the worst nerves ever it was of course nerves that caused Oz to lose  | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On March 16 2012 11:40 IMoperator wrote: honestly the predictions should've been true. Gumiho is a better player, so is lucky. Oz and hero are pretty equal skill wise. Lucky is not better than Sheth in ZvZ. | ||
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
That said, TL fighting! The most beastly Zerg lineup for a foreign team (sorry EG, Millenium). | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On March 16 2012 11:42 IMoperator wrote: Are you actually trying to argue that TLO is better than gumiho? I'm saying that the predictions were more than justified seeing as you had three code S/A players playing for fxo Than maybe you should look at more than numbers. The only prediction that was reasonably probable was that Gumiho will beat TLO, but Sheth vs Lucky was far from clear and the same goes for Hero vs Oz. | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
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Porcelina
United Kingdom3249 Posts
On March 16 2012 11:55 Shardz wrote: Wow I can't believe Oz lost a set of PvP, how did the games look like? Game one on Antiga Shipyard was a decisive build order win for HerO, he went 11 Gate > Council > Shrine against 12 Gate into two Gates > Council, held off a Stalker poke in the middle, Oz expanded just before DT Shrine completed and had no detection and subsequently gg'ed after the three DTs HerO warped in started attacking workers in main and natural. Second game on Daybreak was a bit longer. They had similar build orders until HerO put down Council while Oz went Robo. Oz expanded 30 seconds or so before HerO and before an Observer could scout HerO's base. With both on two base, Oz had a ten or so worker lead but HerO had a slight army advantage which he solidified by sniping two Stalkers as his Blink had just completed and Oz did not know this. He then put up a proxy pylon in Oz' third, and with Blink Stalkers, a few Sentries and warped in Zealots pretty much crushed Oz' army of Stalkers, Immortals, Zealots and Sentries at Oz' natural. Oz tried to fight at his natural, but could never get a good concave or get his Immortals to focus Stalkers, HerO being able to use the terrain to his advantage and tank most of the damage with his Zealots while maintaining a superior concave. In the end, pulling probes was not enough for Oz to hold and HerO rolled over him. The second game was quite interesting. It was not a clear build order win, but it definitely taught me a few things about Blink Stalkers vs Immortals off two base. Of course, the two Stalkers snipes that occured just after blink finished for HerO helped, but by the looks of the final battle it would have been pretty decisive anyway. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
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