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On March 06 2012 19:39 Gubbernecco wrote:ah ok, but i think they didnt show the first map jyp is leading 1-0
I don't think anyone showed the first map, which is too bad. I would have liked to see it.
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On March 06 2012 19:37 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:35 Full.tilt wrote:On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote: Haha white-ra !!!!
MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?
Better player won Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win. B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4. lol ok It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc. It was well played by WhiteRa, but MC is objectively better lol. Just imagine when someone says "better player won" they forgot to add "in this series" if you still feel like arguing you are an irrational fanboy because at the end of a series there is a winner and a loser and it's not unreasonable or illogical to describe the winner as the better player. Read the context? He was gloating as if WhiteRa is the better player in general, saying "luck now Seraphone"? Obviously he won the series and "played better", that doesn't make him the better player
oh man this is why I don't usually bother posting in LR threads any more, everyone is so petty and loves arguing semantics, have fun 
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On March 06 2012 19:40 KiNGxXx wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Games & Streams] +ESL TV: Socke vs Killer GLHF.tv: JYP vs Violet IMBA TV: JYP vs Violet GameSports (german): Socke vs Killer ESL France: SC2TV (RU): Socke vs Killer GoodGame (RU): Socke vs Killer ESL Spain: Socke vs Killer ESL Poland: JYP vs Violet ESL Brasil: ESL Italy: ESL Asia:
All streams at www.esl.tv
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rofl sentry amoving on the overlord, gets killed, voidray missed the same overlord, pretty bad by socke but very funny
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On March 06 2012 19:39 Full.tilt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:33 SolidMustard wrote:On March 06 2012 19:30 Full.tilt wrote:On March 06 2012 19:29 nokz88 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:27 Full.tilt wrote:On March 06 2012 19:26 nokz88 wrote: Idra gets shit on because he leaves a game he thinks he's behind, and the same community demands a loss for MC because he was behind.
You guys are messed up. If that's not double standards I don't know what is. You are insane or high or drunk, maybe all 3. I like your argumentation skills I like the new words you invent. The only comparison between Idra leaving a game and people wanting a win for White RA after a drop is that they were both playing SC2. Are you serious? You really don't understand the comparison? It totally makes sense, and that answer really makes you look stupid Why don't you educate me then? One issue is about how a player judges a game and gg's. The other issue is about a player dropping from the game whilst arguably being in a couple of ways and fanboys from either side arguing about it.
The point is that you don't win a game by being ahead, you win the game by killing your opponent. When Idra leaves early, he forgets that and considers he lost when he's at a disavantadge that he can somehow overcome. Which is the same mistake made by people saying there shouldn't have been a rematch between MC an Whitera. Whitera was ahead, but MC was nowhere near GG'ing (because he's no Idra)
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Maaan, socke is sooo dead T_t
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Yeah that was a terrible push against a well prepared Killer.
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On March 06 2012 19:40 Savern101 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:32 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote: Haha white-ra !!!!
MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?
Better player won Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win. B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4. lol ok It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc. He was still better in this series and he showed it No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win. You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time. Where as in every single other matchup you have: ZvZ - Nestea ZvT - DRG ZvP - DRG PvT - MC PvZ - MC TvT - MVP TvZ - MMA TvP - Bomber These are players (who outside of their individual slumps) have just destroyed everyone in this matchup and routinely smash anyone who isn't themselves extremely profficient in the matchup themselves. No one like this exists in PvP. Because it is mostly luck. You can compare it to something like Poker where over long, long periods your skill might show but in an individual series it's mostly just luck. People like Inca and Elfi would like to disagree with you. Also, MC's win rate vs P is 71%... which is enormous.
Inca's recent PvP is nothing special at all. About a 50% win rate.
Elfi has lost shit loads of PvP's recently to even total no names.
MC has won 5 and lost 3 PvP's in the last six months.
PvP was actually more skill based when everyone just 4 gated because at least it was all micro rather than just mind games and blind guessing.
As for Oz he's played 23 PvP games which is nothing and international he's only 5-5 losing to Wannebecool and Huk.
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On March 06 2012 19:37 nokz88 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:30 Full.tilt wrote:On March 06 2012 19:29 nokz88 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:27 Full.tilt wrote:On March 06 2012 19:26 nokz88 wrote: Idra gets shit on because he leaves a game he thinks he's behind, and the same community demands a loss for MC because he was behind.
You guys are messed up. If that's not double standards I don't know what is. You are insane or high or drunk, maybe all 3. I like your argumentation skills I like the new words you invent. The only comparison between Idra leaving a game and people wanting a win for White RA after a drop is that they were both playing SC2. Idra leaves a game because he thinks there's no way he will win when he's behind. People demanded a loss for MC because he was, guess what, behind. Can't you tell both have the same kind of mentality? Or am I being too logical to argue with a blind fanboi?
No, you don't get it.
Idra's job is to win and he should damn well try everythign he can and not GG just because he feels unhappy with the ingame situation he got himself into.
White-Ra was on the way of soundly beating MC in a Macro game and then Bnet or his Computer denied him the final push. People wanted to see him crush MC and got a little emotional/irrational. It was a clear situation for a regame even tho White-Ra wins that game probably 9 out of 10 times, no one wass seriously calling the regame the "wrong" decision.
Btw: With Idra in MC's place this would never have happened, Idra would probably have scouted White-Ra, saw that he is behind and tapped out.. Like the true boss he is...
It's not the same at all.
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yeah, done arguing semantics, WhiteRa won the series so he was the better player of the series.
anyway, hoping to see a lot of protosses lose because I hate watching PvP.
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On March 06 2012 19:44 Heavenly wrote: yeah, done arguing semantics, WhiteRa won the series so he was the better player of the series.
anyway, hoping to see a lot of protosses lose because I hate watching PvP. Still better than ZvZ, but not half as good as TvT 
I am rooting for Killer tho. He looks so handsome ^^
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this first day has so few terran's in it TT I guess this is how z and p felt during Gom TvT
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On March 06 2012 19:35 Full.tilt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote: Haha white-ra !!!!
MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?
Better player won Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win. B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4. lol ok It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc. It was well played by WhiteRa, but MC is objectively better lol. Just imagine when someone says "better player won" they forgot to add "in this series" if you still feel like arguing you are an irrational fanboy because at the end of a series there is a winner and a loser and it's not unreasonable or illogical to describe the winner as the better player. Except it's PvP..>_>
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I dont see JYP overcoming that supply disadvantage.
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violet super far ahead in game 2
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On March 06 2012 19:46 DoubleB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:44 Heavenly wrote: yeah, done arguing semantics, WhiteRa won the series so he was the better player of the series.
anyway, hoping to see a lot of protosses lose because I hate watching PvP. Still better than ZvZ, but not half as good as TvT  I am rooting for Killer tho. He looks so handsome ^^
ZvZ is much better than PvP haha =p
Looks like viOlet is in a decent position vs JYP in g2.
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On March 06 2012 19:43 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:37 nokz88 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:30 Full.tilt wrote:On March 06 2012 19:29 nokz88 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:27 Full.tilt wrote:On March 06 2012 19:26 nokz88 wrote: Idra gets shit on because he leaves a game he thinks he's behind, and the same community demands a loss for MC because he was behind.
You guys are messed up. If that's not double standards I don't know what is. You are insane or high or drunk, maybe all 3. I like your argumentation skills I like the new words you invent. The only comparison between Idra leaving a game and people wanting a win for White RA after a drop is that they were both playing SC2. Idra leaves a game because he thinks there's no way he will win when he's behind. People demanded a loss for MC because he was, guess what, behind. Can't you tell both have the same kind of mentality? Or am I being too logical to argue with a blind fanboi? No, you don't get it. Idra's job is to win and he should damn well try everythign he can and not GG just because he feels unhappy with the ingame situation he got himself into. White-Ra was on the way of soundly beating MC in a Macro game and then Bnet or his Computer denied him the final push. People wanted to see him crush MC and got a little emotional/irrational. It was a clear situation for a regame even tho White-Ra wins that game probably 9 out of 10 times, no one wass seriously calling the regame the "wrong" decision. Btw: With Idra in MC's place this would never have happened, Idra would probably have scouted White-Ra, saw that he is behind and tapped out.. Like the true boss he is... It's not the same at all. No, people legitimately believed that the game should've been given to Whitera.
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On March 06 2012 19:46 DoubleB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:44 Heavenly wrote: yeah, done arguing semantics, WhiteRa won the series so he was the better player of the series.
anyway, hoping to see a lot of protosses lose because I hate watching PvP. Still better than ZvZ, but not half as good as TvT  I am rooting for Killer tho. He looks so handsome ^^
ZvZ is way less luck based. I'd say there's extremely little luck in ZvZ anymore.
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On March 06 2012 19:46 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:35 Full.tilt wrote:On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote: Haha white-ra !!!!
MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?
Better player won Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win. B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4. lol ok It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc. It was well played by WhiteRa, but MC is objectively better lol. Just imagine when someone says "better player won" they forgot to add "in this series" if you still feel like arguing you are an irrational fanboy because at the end of a series there is a winner and a loser and it's not unreasonable or illogical to describe the winner as the better player. Except it's PvP..>_>
Except it is MC and White-ra, two very skilled players. The match up between them requires skill and white-ra played better. He is not usually the better player but in this series he was clearly best.
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On March 06 2012 19:46 DoubleB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:44 Heavenly wrote: yeah, done arguing semantics, WhiteRa won the series so he was the better player of the series.
anyway, hoping to see a lot of protosses lose because I hate watching PvP. Still better than ZvZ, but not half as good as TvT  I am rooting for Killer tho. He looks so handsome ^^
Eh..not better than ZvZ. The mid game of ZvZ has some variations and actual timings to hit, PvP is just turtle to 200/200 and see who gets the first colossi shot off in the main engagement. Game 3 MC tried some cute stuff but in the end it doesn't even matter to a turtling protoss Never thought I'd see the day where protoss suddenly overwhelmed tournaments, it's weird because nothing seemed to change but for some reason builds that used to get crushed easily are working again in some matchups like PvZ.
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