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dwrmaievy
Russian Federation13 Posts
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On March 06 2012 19:32 Benjamin80 wrote: He was still better in this series and he showed it No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win. You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time. Where as in every single other matchup you have: ZvZ - Nestea ZvT - DRG ZvP - DRG PvT - MC PvZ - MC TvT - MVP TvZ - MMA TvP - Bomber These are players (who outside of their individual slumps) have just destroyed everyone in this matchup and routinely smash anyone who isn't themselves extremely profficient in the matchup themselves. No one like this exists in PvP. Because it is mostly luck. You can compare it to something like Poker where over long, long periods your skill might show but in an individual series it's mostly just luck. If anyone is into betting on Sc2 you will know the two founding rules of making money on Sc2: A) Never bet on foreigners B) Never bet on PvP. | ||
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Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 06 2012 19:35 Full.tilt wrote: Just imagine when someone says "better player won" they forgot to add "in this series" if you still feel like arguing you are an irrational fanboy because at the end of a series there is a winner and a loser and it's not unreasonable or illogical to describe the winner as the better player. Thx you and that was exactly what I meant | ||
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Bashion
Cook Islands2612 Posts
On March 06 2012 19:37 Gubbernecco wrote: noone showing jyp vs violet  they are alreay playing IMBA.tv is. | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On March 06 2012 19:35 Full.tilt wrote: Just imagine when someone says "better player won" they forgot to add "in this series" if you still feel like arguing you are an irrational fanboy because at the end of a series there is a winner and a loser and it's not unreasonable or illogical to describe the winner as the better player. Read the context? He was gloating as if WhiteRa is the better player in general, saying "luck now Seraphone"? Obviously he won the series and "played better", that doesn't make him the better player | ||
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itsjuspeter
United States668 Posts
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Xacalite
Germany533 Posts
On March 06 2012 19:33 Promethelax wrote: That would have been truly priceless. I'm hoping Idra wins some games though so it is probably for the best that he didn't draw that group. IdrA in a group with 5 toss would probably make him quit sc2 | ||
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Emptyness
Bulgaria1016 Posts
EDIT: its 1 - 0 already | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On March 06 2012 19:37 Gubbernecco wrote: noone showing jyp vs violet they are alreay playing it is on Imbalanced http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/imbalanced.tv | ||
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Derity
Germany2952 Posts
On March 06 2012 19:37 Gubbernecco wrote: noone showing jyp vs violet they are alreay playing check the imbaTV stream | ||
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote: No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win. You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time. Where as in every single other matchup you have: ZvZ - Nestea ZvT - DRG ZvP - DRG PvT - MC PvZ - MC TvT - MVP TvZ - MMA TvP - Bomber These are players (who outside of their individual slumps) have just destroyed everyone in this matchup and routinely smash anyone who isn't themselves extremely profficient in the matchup themselves. No one like this exists in PvP. Because it is mostly luck. You can compare it to something like Poker where over long, long periods your skill might show but in an individual series it's mostly just luck. Can I please have fries with that? God why are people taking things so seriously. | ||
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Gubbernecco
Germany170 Posts
On March 06 2012 19:38 Promethelax wrote: it is on Imbalanced http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/imbalanced.tv ah ok, but i think they didnt show the first map jyp is leading 1-0 | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On March 06 2012 19:37 nokz88 wrote: Idra leaves a game because he thinks there's no way he will win when he's behind. People demanded a loss for MC because he was, guess what, behind. Can't you tell both have the same kind of mentality? Or am I being too logical to argue with a blind fanboi? I'm sorry but what are you people even arguing about o_o? People might have been complaining it should have been a win for white-ra but it wasn't and it isn't going to change. This discussion about calling other people over the internet a bunch of hypocrites is just completely useless imo.. | ||
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
On March 06 2012 19:33 SolidMustard wrote: Are you serious? You really don't understand the comparison? It totally makes sense, and that answer really makes you look stupid Why don't you educate me then? One issue is about how a player judges a game and gg's. The other issue is about a player dropping from the game whilst arguably being in a couple of ways and fanboys from either side arguing about it. | ||
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Talho
Belgium592 Posts
On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote: No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win. You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time. Where as in every single other matchup you have: ZvZ - Nestea ZvT - DRG ZvP - DRG PvT - MC PvZ - MC TvT - MVP TvZ - MMA TvP - Bomber These are players (who outside of their individual slumps) have just destroyed everyone in this matchup and routinely smash anyone who isn't themselves extremely profficient in the matchup themselves. No one like this exists in PvP. Because it is mostly luck. You can compare it to something like Poker where over long, long periods your skill might show but in an individual series it's mostly just luck. OZ's PvP is 81,1%, small sample size tho, but still | ||
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Savern101
United Kingdom859 Posts
On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote: No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win. You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time. Where as in every single other matchup you have: ZvZ - Nestea ZvT - DRG ZvP - DRG PvT - MC PvZ - MC TvT - MVP TvZ - MMA TvP - Bomber These are players (who outside of their individual slumps) have just destroyed everyone in this matchup and routinely smash anyone who isn't themselves extremely profficient in the matchup themselves. No one like this exists in PvP. Because it is mostly luck. You can compare it to something like Poker where over long, long periods your skill might show but in an individual series it's mostly just luck. People like Inca and Elfi would like to disagree with you. Also, MC's win rate vs P is 71%... which is enormous. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote: No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win. You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time. Where as in every single other matchup you have: ZvZ - Nestea ZvT - DRG ZvP - DRG PvT - MC PvZ - MC TvT - MVP TvZ - MMA TvP - Bomber These are players (who outside of their individual slumps) have just destroyed everyone in this matchup and routinely smash anyone who isn't themselves extremely profficient in the matchup themselves. No one like this exists in PvP. Because it is mostly luck. You can compare it to something like Poker where over long, long periods your skill might show but in an individual series it's mostly just luck. Oz has a 78% PvP winrate in Korea. MC is at 71%. How is that not equally good as the other ones? | ||
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Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote: No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win. You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time. Where as in every single other matchup you have: ZvZ - Nestea ZvT - DRG ZvP - DRG PvT - MC PvZ - MC TvT - MVP TvZ - MMA TvP - Bomber These are players (who outside of their individual slumps) have just destroyed everyone in this matchup and routinely smash anyone who isn't themselves extremely profficient in the matchup themselves. No one like this exists in PvP. Because it is mostly luck. You can compare it to something like Poker where over long, long periods your skill might show but in an individual series it's mostly just luck. How do you explain Elfi´s 71% or MC 71% or Creators 81% win then? Those 3 are just very lucky? | ||
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
ESL TV: Socke vs Killer GLHF.tv: JYP vs Violet IMBA TV: JYP vs Violet GameSports (german): Socke vs Killer ESL France: SC2TV (RU): Socke vs Killer GoodGame (RU): Socke vs Killer ESL Spain: Socke vs Killer ESL Poland: JYP vs Violet ESL Brasil: ESL Italy: ESL Asia: All streams at www.esl.tv | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote: No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win. You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time. Elfi. That's that. | ||
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