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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10882 Posts
March 06 2012 10:49 GMT
#1081
On March 06 2012 19:48 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 19:43 Velr wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:37 nokz88 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:30 Full.tilt wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:29 nokz88 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:27 Full.tilt wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:26 nokz88 wrote:
Idra gets shit on because he leaves a game he thinks he's behind, and the same community demands a loss for MC because he was behind.

You guys are messed up. If that's not double standards I don't know what is.


You are insane or high or drunk, maybe all 3.

I like your argumentation skills


I like the new words you invent. The only comparison between Idra leaving a game and people wanting a win for White RA after a drop is that they were both playing SC2.

Idra leaves a game because he thinks there's no way he will win when he's behind.
People demanded a loss for MC because he was, guess what, behind.

Can't you tell both have the same kind of mentality? Or am I being too logical to argue with a blind fanboi?


No, you don't get it.

Idra's job is to win and he should damn well try everythign he can and not GG just because he feels unhappy with the ingame situation he got himself into.

White-Ra was on the way of soundly beating MC in a Macro game and then Bnet or his Computer denied him the final push. People wanted to see him crush MC and got a little emotional/irrational.
It was a clear situation for a regame even tho White-Ra wins that game probably 9 out of 10 times, no one wass seriously calling the regame the "wrong" decision.

Btw: With Idra in MC's place this would never have happened, Idra would probably have scouted White-Ra, saw that he is behind and tapped out.. Like the true boss he is...

It's not the same at all.

No, people legitimately believed that the game should've been given to Whitera.



If that would have been the case there would have been around 10-20 pages of Drama.. not 2-3 or whatever it was .
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
March 06 2012 10:49 GMT
#1082
Holy shit, 60 000+ viewers for the LOL stream... and I still don't understand what is happening in the game
I am not young enough to know everything.
Benjamin80
Profile Joined February 2012
581 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 10:50:42
March 06 2012 10:49 GMT
#1083
On March 06 2012 19:48 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 19:43 Velr wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:37 nokz88 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:30 Full.tilt wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:29 nokz88 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:27 Full.tilt wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:26 nokz88 wrote:
Idra gets shit on because he leaves a game he thinks he's behind, and the same community demands a loss for MC because he was behind.

You guys are messed up. If that's not double standards I don't know what is.


You are insane or high or drunk, maybe all 3.

I like your argumentation skills


I like the new words you invent. The only comparison between Idra leaving a game and people wanting a win for White RA after a drop is that they were both playing SC2.

Idra leaves a game because he thinks there's no way he will win when he's behind.
People demanded a loss for MC because he was, guess what, behind.

Can't you tell both have the same kind of mentality? Or am I being too logical to argue with a blind fanboi?


No, you don't get it.

Idra's job is to win and he should damn well try everythign he can and not GG just because he feels unhappy with the ingame situation he got himself into.

White-Ra was on the way of soundly beating MC in a Macro game and then Bnet or his Computer denied him the final push. People wanted to see him crush MC and got a little emotional/irrational.
It was a clear situation for a regame even tho White-Ra wins that game probably 9 out of 10 times, no one wass seriously calling the regame the "wrong" decision.

Btw: With Idra in MC's place this would never have happened, Idra would probably have scouted White-Ra, saw that he is behind and tapped out.. Like the true boss he is...

It's not the same at all.

No, people legitimately believed that the game should've been given to Whitera.


I still belive that no way MC could have won that when White-ra was up 25 supplie and had +3 while MC had +1.

The upgrades are so huge, White-ra could just a-move and go afk and still win
[QUOTE][B]On March 19 2012 02:32 iNcontroL wrote:[/B] IF LIFE GIVES YOU LEMONS YOU CANNON RUSH[/QUOTE]
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
March 06 2012 10:49 GMT
#1084
On March 06 2012 19:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:32 Benjamin80 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote:
Haha white-ra !!!!

MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?

Better player won


Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win.

B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it

C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4.


lol ok


It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc.


He was still better in this series and he showed it


No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win.

You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time.



Elfi. That's that.



You could stand to ignore Bitterdam for a bit.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1836&part=games&league=standard&vs=P

That is not dominant.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
Saaph
Profile Joined February 2012
35 Posts
March 06 2012 10:49 GMT
#1085
Why didn't JYP opt for an immortal/sentry + some gateway unit push? From a zerg point of view it seems so much scarier than these GW units only push, especially on a map like CK where there are lots of choke points
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
March 06 2012 10:50 GMT
#1086
On March 06 2012 19:48 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 19:46 Megabuster123 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:35 Full.tilt wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote:
Haha white-ra !!!!

MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?

Better player won


Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win.

B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it

C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4.


lol ok


It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc. It was well played by WhiteRa, but MC is objectively better lol.


Just imagine when someone says "better player won" they forgot to add "in this series" if you still feel like arguing you are an irrational fanboy because at the end of a series there is a winner and a loser and it's not unreasonable or illogical to describe the winner as the better player.

Except it's PvP..>_>


Except it is MC and White-ra, two very skilled players. The match up between them requires skill and white-ra played better. He is not usually the better player but in this series he was clearly best.

It show's he's the better PvP player in this series which is basically a meaningless statement. Not only does it not have any bearing on most legitimate mu's like PvT and PvZ but PvP is just a joke of a mu right now. So at the end of the day, it's just PvP...>_>
Slangen
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden1166 Posts
March 06 2012 10:50 GMT
#1087
Mad group B. Hope for white ra and mc, but may the coins land where they may
Fnatic - TSM - EG
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
March 06 2012 10:50 GMT
#1088
On March 06 2012 19:49 Saaph wrote:
Why didn't JYP opt for an immortal/sentry + some gateway unit push? From a zerg point of view it seems so much scarier than these GW units only push, especially on a map like CK where there are lots of choke points


Maybe a response to the current muta trends? Robo is pretty much death against it.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 06 2012 10:51 GMT
#1089
Good game 2 by Violet
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Emptyness
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Bulgaria1016 Posts
March 06 2012 10:51 GMT
#1090
Yep, we are on to the ace match between JYP and Violet
Fall down 9 times, Get up 10.
double620
Profile Joined July 2011
China804 Posts
March 06 2012 10:51 GMT
#1091
On March 06 2012 19:48 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 19:46 Megabuster123 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:35 Full.tilt wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote:
Haha white-ra !!!!

MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?

Better player won


Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win.

B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it

C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4.


lol ok


It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc. It was well played by WhiteRa, but MC is objectively better lol.


Just imagine when someone says "better player won" they forgot to add "in this series" if you still feel like arguing you are an irrational fanboy because at the end of a series there is a winner and a loser and it's not unreasonable or illogical to describe the winner as the better player.

Except it's PvP..>_>


Except it is MC and White-ra, two very skilled players. The match up between them requires skill and white-ra played better. He is not usually the better player but in this series he was clearly best.


I agree. Mc is overall the better player for sure. But anyways, Whitera played better in that best of 3 and deserved to win.
Never mind. Mc should be able to advance from this group and hopefully together with whitera.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
March 06 2012 10:51 GMT
#1092
On March 06 2012 19:49 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 19:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:32 Benjamin80 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote:
Haha white-ra !!!!

MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?

Better player won


Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win.

B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it

C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4.


lol ok


It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc.


He was still better in this series and he showed it


No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win.

You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time.



Elfi. That's that.



You could stand to ignore Bitterdam for a bit.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1836&part=games&league=standard&vs=P

That is not dominant.


Yeah, almost a 70% winrate in PvP is not dominant at all. Do you even read the shit you're posting?
cyclone4tw
Profile Joined May 2008
Russian Federation32 Posts
March 06 2012 10:52 GMT
#1093
On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote:
Haha white-ra !!!!

MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?

Better player won


Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win.

B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it

C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4.


lol ok


It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc. It was well played by WhiteRa, but MC is objectively better lol.


Remember that one of those foreigner tournaments that MC won was a 2 gate cheese vs WhiteRa at the 2-2 score (at the DreamHack Invitational).
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
March 06 2012 10:52 GMT
#1094
Does the stream (ESL Event 2) lag at times? I can hear the audio but the video lags

The other stream works perfectly for me.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 06 2012 10:53 GMT
#1095
On March 06 2012 19:49 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 19:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:32 Benjamin80 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote:
Haha white-ra !!!!

MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?

Better player won


Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win.

B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it

C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4.


lol ok


It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc.


He was still better in this series and he showed it


No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win.

You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time.



Elfi. That's that.



You could stand to ignore Bitterdam for a bit.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1836&part=games&league=standard&vs=P

That is not dominant.


70% is about as dominant as it gets over the course of many games.
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
March 06 2012 10:53 GMT
#1096
On March 06 2012 19:49 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 19:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:32 Benjamin80 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote:
Haha white-ra !!!!

MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?

Better player won


Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win.

B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it

C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4.


lol ok


It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc.


He was still better in this series and he showed it


No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win.

You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time.



Elfi. That's that.



You could stand to ignore Bitterdam for a bit.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1836&part=games&league=standard&vs=P

That is not dominant.


70% is pretty damn close to dominant.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
March 06 2012 10:53 GMT
#1097
On March 06 2012 19:52 Azzur wrote:
Does the stream (ESL Event 2) lag at times? I can hear the audio but the video lags

The other stream works perfectly for me.


same for me, pretty annoying
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
March 06 2012 10:53 GMT
#1098
On March 06 2012 19:52 Azzur wrote:
Does the stream (ESL Event 2) lag at times? I can hear the audio but the video lags

The other stream works perfectly for me.


Try watching at max quality, i had the same problems you described at 360p, and they went away at the 540p+.
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
March 06 2012 10:54 GMT
#1099
On March 06 2012 19:51 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 19:49 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:32 Benjamin80 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote:
Haha white-ra !!!!

MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?

Better player won


Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win.

B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it

C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4.


lol ok


It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc.


He was still better in this series and he showed it


No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win.

You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time.



Elfi. That's that.



You could stand to ignore Bitterdam for a bit.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1836&part=games&league=standard&vs=P

That is not dominant.


Yeah, almost a 70% winrate in PvP is not dominant at all. Do you even read the shit you're posting?


Apparently you don't.

Since November he's won 20 and lost 15.

That is dominant to you? That is the best PvP player in the world in your mind?

The matchup is a joke.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
March 06 2012 10:55 GMT
#1100
On March 06 2012 19:49 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 19:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:32 Benjamin80 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote:
Haha white-ra !!!!

MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?

Better player won


Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win.

B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it

C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4.


lol ok


It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc.


He was still better in this series and he showed it


No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win.

You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time.



Elfi. That's that.



You could stand to ignore Bitterdam for a bit.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1836&part=games&league=standard&vs=P

That is not dominant.

haha dude as a 3rd person spectating your lame argument, I would suggest that you stop talking to prevent further embarrassment to yourself.

Just sayin bro.

Watch the games and enjoy.
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
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