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On March 06 2012 19:53 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:49 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:32 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote:
Haha white-ra !!!!
MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?
Better player won Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win. B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4. lol ok It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc. He was still better in this series and he showed it No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win. You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time. Elfi. That's that. You could stand to ignore Bitterdam for a bit. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1836&part=games&league=standard&vs=PThat is not dominant. 70% is pretty damn close to dominant.
And not only is 70% huge it is 15 percent greater than his second best MU, clearly he has skill in PvP
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On March 06 2012 19:52 cyclone4tw wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote:
Haha white-ra !!!!
MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?
Better player won Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win. B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4. lol ok It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc. It was well played by WhiteRa, but MC is objectively better lol. Remember that one of those foreigner tournaments that MC won was a 2 gate cheese vs WhiteRa at the 2-2 score (at the DreamHack Invitational).
That was also a PvP, and WhiteRa won through extremely risky play. One of his wins came from a four gate where again he got an unscouted pylon to MC's mineral line (apparently his achille's heel or something), another was from expanding while going colossi at the same time where MC had like a 5 minute window to kill him. I like WhiteRa and he's quite good, but it's hard to deny that he just plays incredibly risky at times with his special tactics. It gets him series wins but rarely overall tournament wins and he seems susceptible to other Euroepans who understand his playstyle. He seems to lack the mechanics or tight build orders of many other top level players.
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On March 06 2012 19:53 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:49 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:32 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote:
Haha white-ra !!!!
MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?
Better player won Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win. B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4. lol ok It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc. He was still better in this series and he showed it No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win. You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time. Elfi. That's that. You could stand to ignore Bitterdam for a bit. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1836&part=games&league=standard&vs=PThat is not dominant. 70% is about as dominant as it gets over the course of many games.
Most of those games where from months upon months ago. His actual recent record is not good at all.
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On March 06 2012 19:54 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:51 Fragile51 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:49 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:32 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote:
Haha white-ra !!!!
MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?
Better player won Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win. B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4. lol ok It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc. He was still better in this series and he showed it No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win. You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time. Elfi. That's that. You could stand to ignore Bitterdam for a bit. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1836&part=games&league=standard&vs=PThat is not dominant. Yeah, almost a 70% winrate in PvP is not dominant at all. Do you even read the shit you're posting? Apparently you don't. Since November he's won 20 and lost 15. That is dominant to you? That is the best PvP player in the world in your mind? The matchup is a joke.
Good selective choice of statistics.
There are quite a few players that are very good at PvP
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On March 06 2012 19:54 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:51 Fragile51 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:49 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:32 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote:
Haha white-ra !!!!
MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?
Better player won Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win. B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4. lol ok It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc. He was still better in this series and he showed it No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win. You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time. Elfi. That's that. You could stand to ignore Bitterdam for a bit. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1836&part=games&league=standard&vs=PThat is not dominant. Yeah, almost a 70% winrate in PvP is not dominant at all. Do you even read the shit you're posting? Apparently you don't. Since November he's won 20 and lost 15. That is dominant to you? That is the best PvP player in the world in your mind? The matchup is a joke.
Stop trolling dude =))
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god that´s laggy@ hd stream... Someone is hurting esports significantly...
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On March 06 2012 19:54 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:51 Fragile51 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:49 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:32 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote:
Haha white-ra !!!!
MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?
Better player won Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win. B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4. lol ok It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc. He was still better in this series and he showed it No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win. You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time. Elfi. That's that. You could stand to ignore Bitterdam for a bit. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1836&part=games&league=standard&vs=PThat is not dominant. Yeah, almost a 70% winrate in PvP is not dominant at all. Do you even read the shit you're posting? Apparently you don't. Since November he's won 20 and lost 15. That is dominant to you? That is the best PvP player in the world in your mind? The matchup is a joke.
Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I never said that he's the best PvP player in the world, but having a 70% winrate in a matchup that most people consider a coinflip is pretty damn good. I wouldn't be surprised if he has one of the best PvP's in the EU scene right now.
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On March 06 2012 19:55 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:53 Dodgin wrote:On March 06 2012 19:49 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:32 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote:
Haha white-ra !!!!
MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?
Better player won Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win. B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4. lol ok It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc. He was still better in this series and he showed it No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win. You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time. Elfi. That's that. You could stand to ignore Bitterdam for a bit. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1836&part=games&league=standard&vs=PThat is not dominant. 70% is about as dominant as it gets over the course of many games. Most of those games where from months upon months ago. His actual recent record is not good at all.
True. 0-3 vs. Genius and 1-2 against Whitera isn't especially brillant. Still, his micro makes him one of the best PvPers in the world, imo. The series vs. JYP at HomeStory Cup was one of the best, if not the best PvP I've ever seen.
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On March 06 2012 19:49 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:32 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote:
Haha white-ra !!!!
MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?
Better player won Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win. B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4. lol ok It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc. He was still better in this series and he showed it No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win. You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time. Elfi. That's that. You could stand to ignore Bitterdam for a bit. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1836&part=games&league=standard&vs=PThat is not dominant.
That is "really good".
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United States97275 Posts
Not sure who to cheer for.... jyp or violet
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On March 06 2012 19:56 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:54 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:51 Fragile51 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:49 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:32 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:
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Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win.
B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it
C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4. lol ok It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc. He was still better in this series and he showed it No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win. You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time. Elfi. That's that. You could stand to ignore Bitterdam for a bit. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1836&part=games&league=standard&vs=PThat is not dominant. Yeah, almost a 70% winrate in PvP is not dominant at all. Do you even read the shit you're posting? Apparently you don't. Since November he's won 20 and lost 15. That is dominant to you? That is the best PvP player in the world in your mind? The matchup is a joke. Good selective choice of statistics. There are quite a few players that are very good at PvP
Choosing recent games that actually matter as opposed to games on Blistering Sands from GSL open seasons is not being selective. It's common sense.
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I'll give away cookies if I find a guy who's not being annoyed by the troll once again storming a LR with his delusional arguments
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Can Violet see that pylon behind his mineral line in nat?
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On March 06 2012 19:57 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:49 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:32 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:28 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:27 Benjamin80 wrote:
Haha white-ra !!!!
MC got slapped down again luck now Seraphone?
Better player won Well A) It's PvP so anyone can win. B) MC is a far better player than White Ra and his record shows it C) I think MC perhaps gave White Ra the win in the regame. Some very dubious decisions by him in game 4. lol ok It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc. He was still better in this series and he showed it No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win. You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time. Elfi. That's that. You could stand to ignore Bitterdam for a bit. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1836&part=games&league=standard&vs=PThat is not dominant. That is "really good".
Don't begin to compare international an korean winrates, makes zero sense. Elfi's PvP would be less than 50% win in Korea
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Socke took a page out of Genius's play with the Stargate into 3rd expansion and held well, really impressed, it looks like the most up to date play so far in the foreign toss scene, but is micro is kind of lacking.
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Socke will win if he manages to stall killer till the phoenix range upgrade is done.
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there goes the penix range enlargement
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On March 06 2012 19:57 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:56 Blaec wrote:On March 06 2012 19:54 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:51 Fragile51 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:49 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:32 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 06 2012 19:31 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 19:30 Benjamin80 wrote:
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lol ok It is ridiculous for you to claim that WhiteRa is a better player than MC, lol. He put a pylon in MC's base and warped in some zealots, MC wins tons of foreign tournaments, ro8 GSL, etc. He was still better in this series and he showed it No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win. You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time. Elfi. That's that. You could stand to ignore Bitterdam for a bit. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1836&part=games&league=standard&vs=PThat is not dominant. Yeah, almost a 70% winrate in PvP is not dominant at all. Do you even read the shit you're posting? Apparently you don't. Since November he's won 20 and lost 15. That is dominant to you? That is the best PvP player in the world in your mind? The matchup is a joke. Good selective choice of statistics. There are quite a few players that are very good at PvP Choosing recent games that actually matter as opposed to games on Blistering Sands from GSL open seasons is not being selective. It's common sense.
Well lets go from halfway through last year if you want to exclude early tournaments, Oh look Elfi still has nearly 70%.
So you deliberately chose a period where Elfi had a worse record than his long term record. Do you have a defendable rationale for choosing stats since november?
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On March 06 2012 19:59 Tsubbi wrote:
there goes the penix range enlargement
No.
It's range elongation.
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