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theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
March 06 2012 11:08 GMT
#1141
Killer throws down the GTG.

If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
Emptyness
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Bulgaria1016 Posts
March 06 2012 11:09 GMT
#1142
Violet desperately needs a 4th base up and running - especially on the gas
Fall down 9 times, Get up 10.
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
March 06 2012 11:09 GMT
#1143
great game. not perfect, not extremely skilled, but entertaining. goes to show you can't make 36 mutas against their intended counter and win.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
March 06 2012 11:09 GMT
#1144
On March 06 2012 20:07 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 20:05 theBALLS wrote:
On March 06 2012 20:03 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 20:00 Blaec wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:57 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:56 Blaec wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:54 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:51 Fragile51 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:49 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:
[quote]

Elfi. That's that.



You could stand to ignore Bitterdam for a bit.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1836&part=games&league=standard&vs=P

That is not dominant.


Yeah, almost a 70% winrate in PvP is not dominant at all. Do you even read the shit you're posting?


Apparently you don't.

Since November he's won 20 and lost 15.

That is dominant to you? That is the best PvP player in the world in your mind?

The matchup is a joke.


Good selective choice of statistics.
There are quite a few players that are very good at PvP


Choosing recent games that actually matter as opposed to games on Blistering Sands from GSL open seasons is not being selective. It's common sense.


Well lets go from halfway through last year if you want to exclude early tournaments, Oh look Elfi still has nearly 70%.

So you deliberately chose a period where Elfi had a worse record than his long term record. Do you have a defendable rationale for choosing stats since november?


I chose the period based on current balance. Taking PvP's from the time when you had increased ramp vision, when Archon's were terrible, when everyone four gated, when immortals had lower range etc.. are of no relevance at all. They are meaningless in relation to a current players skill level.



hush. baby. hush.

There there.


I don't see why you are mocking him? It is a completely different metagame nowadays and you will find almost everyone that used to be considered the best PvPers are doing quite mediocre recently. A lot of victories came from people with superior micro winning four gate wars, or busting out new build orders no one had ever seen.

Hush. baby. hush.

There there.

Not mockin no one. Just asking for some peace
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8744 Posts
March 06 2012 11:10 GMT
#1145
On March 06 2012 20:08 zul wrote:
action packed game versus Killer and Socke. 1:1 now


yeah was a pretty good game - though I feel Killer could have done way better.He was so far behind in upgrades even though he had an insane bank at least in the first half of the game.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
March 06 2012 11:10 GMT
#1146
a faster hive with way more broods instead of over making those mutas would have been sooo much better
savior did nothing wrong
Emptyness
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Bulgaria1016 Posts
March 06 2012 11:10 GMT
#1147
He is trying to drag stalkers away from the possible 4th base, but stalkers are so many, so mobile and so deadly .
Fall down 9 times, Get up 10.
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 11:12:13
March 06 2012 11:11 GMT
#1148
On March 06 2012 20:08 Blaec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 20:03 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 20:00 Blaec wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:57 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:56 Blaec wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:54 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:51 Fragile51 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:49 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:37 Seraphone wrote:
[quote]

No he wasn't. It's PvP. It's just a flat out terrible matchup where anyone can win.

You know PvP is stupid and luck based because not one player in the world is dominant or even really good at PvP. Not one single player. Every Protoss player loses PvP all the time.



Elfi. That's that.



You could stand to ignore Bitterdam for a bit.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1836&part=games&league=standard&vs=P

That is not dominant.


Yeah, almost a 70% winrate in PvP is not dominant at all. Do you even read the shit you're posting?


Apparently you don't.

Since November he's won 20 and lost 15.

That is dominant to you? That is the best PvP player in the world in your mind?

The matchup is a joke.


Good selective choice of statistics.
There are quite a few players that are very good at PvP


Choosing recent games that actually matter as opposed to games on Blistering Sands from GSL open seasons is not being selective. It's common sense.


Well lets go from halfway through last year if you want to exclude early tournaments, Oh look Elfi still has nearly 70%.

So you deliberately chose a period where Elfi had a worse record than his long term record. Do you have a defendable rationale for choosing stats since november?


I chose the period based on current balance. Taking PvP's from the time when you had increased ramp vision, when Archon's were terrible, when everyone four gated, when immortals had lower range etc.. are of no relevance at all. They are meaningless in relation to a current players skill level.




The patch that changes ramp vision and immortal range hits on August 24. So we set the TPLD since then aaaaand
lo and behold, Elfi still manages to keep 66% win rate.

Its kind of like he is reliably great at PvP and your argument is stupid.


And WhiteRa has a 44% overall record and just beat MC. 66% isn't reliably great, it's pretty good but it's not fantastic. MC is probably around 66% recently and he still lost to WhiteRa who lost to Elfi. Elfi is a weird player, he is pretty much an example of the randomness of PvP. Either Bitter or Rotterdam mentioned earlier that Elfi just does random fake outs into something nonsensical like a one gate expo that shouldn't work, and he still wins somehow.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
March 06 2012 11:11 GMT
#1149
IEMs map-pool ends up in killer vs socke playing on 2 P-favored maps and Antiga that may be evenly balanced, may have a small slant towards protoss. Stupido!
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 11:12:35
March 06 2012 11:12 GMT
#1150
Poor viOlet just can't secure a fourth on Antiga.
Emptyness
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Bulgaria1016 Posts
March 06 2012 11:12 GMT
#1151
Violet is GG, 2-1 for JYP
Fall down 9 times, Get up 10.
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
March 06 2012 11:12 GMT
#1152
JYP stalker control always amazes me
I've got moves like Jagger
Miah121
Profile Joined April 2011
229 Posts
March 06 2012 11:12 GMT
#1153
Omg those last 3 storms of JYP
quannguyen
Profile Joined January 2012
Vietnam1390 Posts
March 06 2012 11:12 GMT
#1154
HUGE storms for JYP. Finally Violet GG'ed. Great game
Unlimited Warcraft Works and Super Starcraft Taisen ^^
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
March 06 2012 11:14 GMT
#1155
I must say, Apollo is on fire today.. .spitting SC2 truth left and right!
I am not young enough to know everything.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
March 06 2012 11:14 GMT
#1156
gg JYP over ViOlet, our foreign Koreans fought it out well. I wish ViOlet could have gotten a hold on a fourth base so he could take it to the late game.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Mycl
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1370 Posts
March 06 2012 11:14 GMT
#1157
Glad to see JYP shake off the early loss against MMA and come out and take out an extremely good zerg
Emptyness
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Bulgaria1016 Posts
March 06 2012 11:15 GMT
#1158
MC : HasuObs = 1:0, hows the 2nd game going?
Fall down 9 times, Get up 10.
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
March 06 2012 11:15 GMT
#1159
On March 06 2012 20:11 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 20:08 Blaec wrote:
On March 06 2012 20:03 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 20:00 Blaec wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:57 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:56 Blaec wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:54 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:51 Fragile51 wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:49 Seraphone wrote:
On March 06 2012 19:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:
[quote]

Elfi. That's that.



You could stand to ignore Bitterdam for a bit.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1836&part=games&league=standard&vs=P

That is not dominant.


Yeah, almost a 70% winrate in PvP is not dominant at all. Do you even read the shit you're posting?


Apparently you don't.

Since November he's won 20 and lost 15.

That is dominant to you? That is the best PvP player in the world in your mind?

The matchup is a joke.


Good selective choice of statistics.
There are quite a few players that are very good at PvP


Choosing recent games that actually matter as opposed to games on Blistering Sands from GSL open seasons is not being selective. It's common sense.


Well lets go from halfway through last year if you want to exclude early tournaments, Oh look Elfi still has nearly 70%.

So you deliberately chose a period where Elfi had a worse record than his long term record. Do you have a defendable rationale for choosing stats since november?


I chose the period based on current balance. Taking PvP's from the time when you had increased ramp vision, when Archon's were terrible, when everyone four gated, when immortals had lower range etc.. are of no relevance at all. They are meaningless in relation to a current players skill level.




The patch that changes ramp vision and immortal range hits on August 24. So we set the TPLD since then aaaaand
lo and behold, Elfi still manages to keep 66% win rate.

Its kind of like he is reliably great at PvP and your argument is stupid.


And WhiteRa has a 44% overall record and just beat MC. 66% isn't reliably great, it's pretty good but it's not fantastic. MC is probably around 66% recently and he still lost to WhiteRa who lost to Elfi. Elfi is a weird player, he is pretty much an example of the randomness of PvP. Either Bitter or Rotterdam mentioned earlier that Elfi just does random fake outs into something nonsensical like a one gate expo that shouldn't work, and he still wins somehow.


Elfi is definitely a weird player, but he is also great at PvP. I rest my case.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
March 06 2012 11:16 GMT
#1160
Metropolis is a great map for Socke to do exactly the same thing he did on Entombed Valley, get a 3rd quickly enough, deny aggression while doing some damage of his own with air, and also deny air dominance.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
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