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On March 06 2012 20:14 Mycl wrote:
Glad to see JYP shake off the early loss against MMA and come out and take out an extremely good zerg
His play versus zerg just seems so different compared to his play versus terran. I guess it is a very different style of playing though, PvZ feels like you're very cramped and constrained with minimal engagements whereas PvT seems to be more of a dynamic matchup. I never watched his stream, does he have bad multitasking or something? I can kind of see a PvZ style in his PvT if that makes sense.
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I love Apollo and Rotterdam casting together, it's an energetic, enthusiastic sparring session between two casters, simply brilliant !!! I hope they will cast together more in the future !
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On March 06 2012 20:17 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 20:14 Mycl wrote:
Glad to see JYP shake off the early loss against MMA and come out and take out an extremely good zerg His play versus zerg just seems so different compared to his play versus terran. I guess it is a very different style of playing though, PvZ feels like you're very cramped and constrained with minimal engagements whereas PvT seems to be more of a dynamic matchup. I never watched his stream, does he have bad multitasking or something? I can kind of see a PvZ style in his PvT if that makes sense.
Zerg doesn't really have high AoE. Fungal if you don't get chain fungaled doesn't really bother Protoss all that much, as long as you cannot back it up with tons of units. Terran has EMP and insanely high DPS. That paired with the fact that Terran units are very durable if you take out Protoss DPS leads to JYP not playing very good in TvP while he can still pull off amazing stuff in PvZ with good control.
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On March 06 2012 20:08 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 20:03 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 20:00 Blaec wrote:On March 06 2012 19:57 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:56 Blaec wrote:On March 06 2012 19:54 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:51 Fragile51 wrote:Yeah, almost a 70% winrate in PvP is not dominant at all. Do you even read the shit you're posting? Apparently you don't. Since November he's won 20 and lost 15. That is dominant to you? That is the best PvP player in the world in your mind? The matchup is a joke. Good selective choice of statistics. There are quite a few players that are very good at PvP Choosing recent games that actually matter as opposed to games on Blistering Sands from GSL open seasons is not being selective. It's common sense. Well lets go from halfway through last year if you want to exclude early tournaments, Oh look Elfi still has nearly 70%. So you deliberately chose a period where Elfi had a worse record than his long term record. Do you have a defendable rationale for choosing stats since november? I chose the period based on current balance. Taking PvP's from the time when you had increased ramp vision, when Archon's were terrible, when everyone four gated, when immortals had lower range etc.. are of no relevance at all. They are meaningless in relation to a current players skill level. The patch that changes ramp vision and immortal range hits on August 24. So we set the TPLD since then aaaaand lo and behold, Elfi still manages to keep 66% win rate. Its kind of like he is reliably great at PvP and your argument is stupid.
Which is extremely non dominant for 'the best PvPer in Europe'.
Especially as so many of those games are against unknown and tier 2/3 EU player who 'the best PvPer in Europe' should decimate.
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Really sucks being at work right now!
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On March 06 2012 20:20 nappeee wrote:
Really sucks being at work right now!
I got an iPhone -> Justin.TV app -> watch stream. :-)!
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On March 06 2012 20:20 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 20:17 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 20:14 Mycl wrote:
Glad to see JYP shake off the early loss against MMA and come out and take out an extremely good zerg His play versus zerg just seems so different compared to his play versus terran. I guess it is a very different style of playing though, PvZ feels like you're very cramped and constrained with minimal engagements whereas PvT seems to be more of a dynamic matchup. I never watched his stream, does he have bad multitasking or something? I can kind of see a PvZ style in his PvT if that makes sense. Zerg doesn't really have high AoE. Fungal if you don't get chain fungaled doesn't really bother Protoss all that much, as long as you cannot back it up with tons of units. Terran has EMP and insanely high DPS. That paired with the fact that Terran units are very durable if you take out Protoss DPS leads to JYP not playing very good in TvP while he can still pull off amazing stuff in PvZ with good control.
I'm slightly confused. Do you mean that he appears to be bad at judging PvT engagements and positioning, and the fights are over too soon for him to make up for it with micro? It seems like a very different skillset when it comes to engaging terran and engaging zerg.
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looks awful for socke... no early pressure to hinder Killer to macro like a boss.
//edit: ok Killer helping him a bunch... throwign away a lot of unit for nothing on such a huge map....
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"Daddy! Daddy Killer! I wanna be a Spire!"
Awwww
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On March 06 2012 20:22 Doublemint wrote:
looks awful for socke... no early pressure to hinder Killer to macro like a boss.
And then killer messed up big time :/
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Killer makes another ridiculous attack
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so hard to watch any other zerg after countless drg and stephano zvps
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On March 06 2012 20:20 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 20:08 Blaec wrote:On March 06 2012 20:03 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 20:00 Blaec wrote:On March 06 2012 19:57 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:56 Blaec wrote:On March 06 2012 19:54 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 19:51 Fragile51 wrote:Yeah, almost a 70% winrate in PvP is not dominant at all. Do you even read the shit you're posting? Apparently you don't. Since November he's won 20 and lost 15. That is dominant to you? That is the best PvP player in the world in your mind? The matchup is a joke. Good selective choice of statistics. There are quite a few players that are very good at PvP Choosing recent games that actually matter as opposed to games on Blistering Sands from GSL open seasons is not being selective. It's common sense. Well lets go from halfway through last year if you want to exclude early tournaments, Oh look Elfi still has nearly 70%. So you deliberately chose a period where Elfi had a worse record than his long term record. Do you have a defendable rationale for choosing stats since november? I chose the period based on current balance. Taking PvP's from the time when you had increased ramp vision, when Archon's were terrible, when everyone four gated, when immortals had lower range etc.. are of no relevance at all. They are meaningless in relation to a current players skill level. The patch that changes ramp vision and immortal range hits on August 24. So we set the TPLD since then aaaaand lo and behold, Elfi still manages to keep 66% win rate. Its kind of like he is reliably great at PvP and your argument is stupid. Which is extremely non dominant for 'the best PvPer in Europe'. Especially as so many of those games are against unknown and tier 2/3 EU player who 'the best PvPer in Europe' should decimate.
Did you look at who he played? This argument is stupid, its quite clear to everyone that Elfi is damn good at pvp
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On March 06 2012 20:22 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 20:20 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 06 2012 20:17 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 20:14 Mycl wrote:
Glad to see JYP shake off the early loss against MMA and come out and take out an extremely good zerg His play versus zerg just seems so different compared to his play versus terran. I guess it is a very different style of playing though, PvZ feels like you're very cramped and constrained with minimal engagements whereas PvT seems to be more of a dynamic matchup. I never watched his stream, does he have bad multitasking or something? I can kind of see a PvZ style in his PvT if that makes sense. Zerg doesn't really have high AoE. Fungal if you don't get chain fungaled doesn't really bother Protoss all that much, as long as you cannot back it up with tons of units. Terran has EMP and insanely high DPS. That paired with the fact that Terran units are very durable if you take out Protoss DPS leads to JYP not playing very good in TvP while he can still pull off amazing stuff in PvZ with good control. I'm slightly confused. Do you mean that he appears to be bad at judging PvT engagements and positioning, and the fights are over too soon for him to make up for it with micro? It seems like a very different skillset when it comes to engaging terran and engaging zerg.
I think JYP is a very micro focused and very agressive player that likes to poke a lot. Terran can devastate you if you are active on the map and he can get you out of position. A drop that would deal little to no damage to a Protoss with your units in position can force an all-in of Protoss or put him insanely far behind just because he was active on the map.
Also yes, I do think his very good decisions in PvZ and his micro doesn't show in PvT. Why? I dont know.
Edit: Basically my statement before -> PvZ you can come back with good defence control while with an disadvantage against Terran, you usually don't come back.
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"those roaches look kinda healthy" - made me giggle a bit 
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On March 06 2012 20:24 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 20:22 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 20:20 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 06 2012 20:17 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 20:14 Mycl wrote:
Glad to see JYP shake off the early loss against MMA and come out and take out an extremely good zerg His play versus zerg just seems so different compared to his play versus terran. I guess it is a very different style of playing though, PvZ feels like you're very cramped and constrained with minimal engagements whereas PvT seems to be more of a dynamic matchup. I never watched his stream, does he have bad multitasking or something? I can kind of see a PvZ style in his PvT if that makes sense. Zerg doesn't really have high AoE. Fungal if you don't get chain fungaled doesn't really bother Protoss all that much, as long as you cannot back it up with tons of units. Terran has EMP and insanely high DPS. That paired with the fact that Terran units are very durable if you take out Protoss DPS leads to JYP not playing very good in TvP while he can still pull off amazing stuff in PvZ with good control. I'm slightly confused. Do you mean that he appears to be bad at judging PvT engagements and positioning, and the fights are over too soon for him to make up for it with micro? It seems like a very different skillset when it comes to engaging terran and engaging zerg. I think JYP is a very micro focused and very agressive player that likes to poke a lot. Terran can devastate you if you are active on the map and he can get you out of position. A drop that would deal little to no damage to a Protoss with your units in position can force an all-in of Protoss or put him insanely far behind just because he was active on the map. Also yes, I do think his very good decisions in PvZ and his micro doesn't show in PvT. Why? I dont know.
ah, thanks for your opinion.  Was something I was wondering about for a while.
and agh another protoss victory. Wonder if we have a nerf incoming, though Killer did mess up.
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damn killer totally lost that game by moving out with those roaches
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Great gamesense there, gogo Socke!!!
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EPT
why cant they do this over a weekend 
