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On March 01 2012 13:23 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:22 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:15 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:12 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:11 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:07 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:02 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 12:55 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:53 Falconblade wrote:
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Did he do well in Blizz Cup?
Oh nevermind, he tied against MMA 1-1, and lost to Mvp who was crushed by MMA 3-0, and then MMA followed it up with a spectacular win against DRG. Polt is no where near MMA's level. Even if Polt manages to beat MMA, Polt is not as good against the other top tiers as MMA is.
LOL ok, i get it! you just hating on Polt for beating MMA left and right, okay! No, I just have brains to look beyond a single 1 on 1. Despite the 4-1 at GSL Oct, Tastosis claimed that Mvp was better than MMA till MMA wrested the crown from him at the end of Blizz cup. One matchup does not make a player better than the other, as you seek to do with Polt and HerO and MMA. Did you know that MMA v Polt has the same exact record as MC vs HuK in foreign tournaments? Huk has won 7 and lost 2 to MC. And most would agree that MC right now is much better. I wonder why that is? Maybe because they have common sense. wtf are you talking about? You are not even put Polt in your top 5 terran list and talking about how MMA beats MVP and why he is best terran? Their records not in foreigner tournaments, its in GSL! And its simple MMA > MVP > Polt > MMA On March 01 2012 13:05 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 12:57 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:56 Falconblade wrote:
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Um... They all rank higher than Polt on the Korean TLPD, and have all played some spectacular games this year. So Polt managed to beat a foreigner filled tournament, the aforementioned all had much greater peaks, whether it was ro8/ro4 GSL, or good runs in MLG against top level koreans. The exception is Mvp, and as much as I don't like him, he still has played against far better people. http://www.gomtv.net/who is in top 5? Sorry, i just want to know mr.KoreanTLPD  You know that's ranking points right? For winning GSLs and the like from LAST YEAR? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_PointsFull list. Now tell me, do oGsTOP and July look like top 10 right now? Get real, and make arguments that have actual rationale behind them. I dont care about full list, just tell me top 5 Also TaeJa was #1 in korean TLPD when he won ESV korean weekly.So its a not big deal for being top 5 or 10 in TLPD rankings. GSL is more important than any tournament. Okay, the top 5 are http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_Starcraft_II_League/Rankings#Previous_Years_PointsThose are the current points. /The points you showed are from last year. And GSL ranking points don't mean that you are top in the world. And Polt is rank 51 in the current list. Thanks for showing me that he is top 5. Nevermind. Congrats, you've sure showed me what's up. This list only for 2012 and only 1 GSL has been played, LOLOLOL. lets talk about full list or only 2011 )))))))) Last I checked, we are talking about how Polt is right now. And the year is 2012. And you still don't grasp the concept of the points. GSL ranking points don't show if someone is better or not, just that they have gotten further. TLPD is a more valid measure of skill as it measures current form. But even if you want to use GSL points, you can't use last years for this year can you? Think about it. It may take you a few hours to grasp why you are wrong in everything you assert... But you'll get there. Or not. Then use 2012 list after at least 3 gsl finishing, to early to using this. So why are you using 2011 stats as a measure of current skill and level? I can point gloriously towards the days of Fruitdealer being #1 two years ago, or claim that Mvp is the best in the world followed by Nestea on your system. Mvp got knocked out in the bottom 16 of MLG and Nestea got beaten by Demuslim and got knocked out in the top 13-16 category of MLG winter. I'm glad the number 1 and 2 of your list did so well. Use a correct ranking system please, not a ranking system based on your adoration of Polt. Because last tournaments played on 2011 and we are on 1/4 of 2012, welcome the world!
Do you still not understand that GSL ranking points are useless, which I've been trying to explain? This is the same system that proclaimed Top and July to be top 10. If that doesn't make sense, why does it make sense that Polt's top 5 ranking in the system is accurate? DRG is easily considered one of the best players in the world right now. Ask anyone. If you add both GSL points from last year and this year, DRG wouldn't even make it to top 10. He wasn't top 10 in your list. Yet people are saying that his #1 or Top 3 atleast in the world.
So let me ask again. Why are you validating your stupid argument using a flawed and old system for this year?
Because you are wrong.
Let me know if I'm using big words, that may explain why you don't seem to understand anything.
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On March 01 2012 13:25 Conquest101 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:18 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:15 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:12 Conquest101 wrote:On March 01 2012 13:07 dragonborn wrote:
GSL is more important than any tournament. Well.... then..... HerO = Code S, Polt = Code B so by your logic?????  Congrats to Liquid! Such a huge turnaround from the last IPL TAC. Liquid showing that they can hang with the Korean teams NP. Polt was in code S more than 1 year, where was HerO? so? You do understand that you contradict yourself repeatedly. You point to GSL points as a measure of his current skill, and then you discredit current points, code S/ code B status and ranking? I'm glad that Polt was in code S last year, is he in there now? Oh, wait he isn't. You're a hypocrite. Either that or you have no concept of logic. Or both. By his logic, Fruitdealer is better than HerO too. Better than Polt as well since FD has a GSL championship under his belt. Also better than DRG, etc., etc. You might as well give up. Arguing with fanboys is kinda pointless. No one was really even "hating" on Polt to begin with. Note, I don't even believe that HerO is the better player overall compared to Polt, but his arguments are kinda funny.
Im saying lets talk about 2011 GSL results and points.
Talking about 2012 is kinda pointless because of first GSL is not even finished. Since 2012's first gsl not even finished, its not wrong to talking about 2011's 3/4 or 4/4.
On March 01 2012 13:29 Falconblade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:23 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:22 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:15 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:12 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:11 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:07 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:02 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 12:55 dragonborn wrote:
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LOL ok, i get it!
you just hating on Polt for beating MMA left and right, okay! No, I just have brains to look beyond a single 1 on 1. Despite the 4-1 at GSL Oct, Tastosis claimed that Mvp was better than MMA till MMA wrested the crown from him at the end of Blizz cup. One matchup does not make a player better than the other, as you seek to do with Polt and HerO and MMA. Did you know that MMA v Polt has the same exact record as MC vs HuK in foreign tournaments? Huk has won 7 and lost 2 to MC. And most would agree that MC right now is much better. I wonder why that is? Maybe because they have common sense. wtf are you talking about? You are not even put Polt in your top 5 terran list and talking about how MMA beats MVP and why he is best terran? Their records not in foreigner tournaments, its in GSL! And its simple MMA > MVP > Polt > MMA On March 01 2012 13:05 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 12:57 dragonborn wrote:[quote] http://www.gomtv.net/who is in top 5? Sorry, i just want to know mr.KoreanTLPD You know that's ranking points right? For winning GSLs and the like from LAST YEAR? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_PointsFull list. Now tell me, do oGsTOP and July look like top 10 right now? Get real, and make arguments that have actual rationale behind them. I dont care about full list, just tell me top 5 Also TaeJa was #1 in korean TLPD when he won ESV korean weekly.So its a not big deal for being top 5 or 10 in TLPD rankings. GSL is more important than any tournament. Okay, the top 5 are http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_Starcraft_II_League/Rankings#Previous_Years_PointsThose are the current points. /The points you showed are from last year. And GSL ranking points don't mean that you are top in the world. And Polt is rank 51 in the current list. Thanks for showing me that he is top 5. Nevermind. Congrats, you've sure showed me what's up. This list only for 2012 and only 1 GSL has been played, LOLOLOL. lets talk about full list or only 2011 )))))))) Last I checked, we are talking about how Polt is right now. And the year is 2012. And you still don't grasp the concept of the points. GSL ranking points don't show if someone is better or not, just that they have gotten further. TLPD is a more valid measure of skill as it measures current form. But even if you want to use GSL points, you can't use last years for this year can you? Think about it. It may take you a few hours to grasp why you are wrong in everything you assert... But you'll get there. Or not. Then use 2012 list after at least 3 gsl finishing, to early to using this. So why are you using 2011 stats as a measure of current skill and level? I can point gloriously towards the days of Fruitdealer being #1 two years ago, or claim that Mvp is the best in the world followed by Nestea on your system. Mvp got knocked out in the bottom 16 of MLG and Nestea got beaten by Demuslim and got knocked out in the top 13-16 category of MLG winter. I'm glad the number 1 and 2 of your list did so well. Use a correct ranking system please, not a ranking system based on your adoration of Polt. Because last tournaments played on 2011 and we are on 1/4 of 2012, welcome the world! Do you still not understand that GSL ranking points are useless, which I've been trying to explain? This is the same system that proclaimed Top and July to be top 10. If that doesn't make sense, why does it make sense that Polt's top 5 ranking in the system is accurate? DRG is easily considered one of the best players in the world right now. Ask anyone. If you add both GSL points from last year and this year, DRG wouldn't even make it to top 10. He wasn't top 10 in your list. Yet people are saying that his #1 or Top 3 atleast in the world. So let me ask again. Why are you validating your stupid argument using a flawed and old system for this year? Because you are wrong. Let me know if I'm using big words, that may explain why you don't seem to understand anything.
You are just saying Polt isnt top-tier terran with utterly useless ELO rankings, then im showing you GSL points.
What is wrong?
Nothing.
and tell me what is making FXOTear #6 korean player on ELO?
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On March 01 2012 13:25 Conquest101 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:18 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:15 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:12 Conquest101 wrote:On March 01 2012 13:07 dragonborn wrote:
GSL is more important than any tournament. Well.... then..... HerO = Code S, Polt = Code B so by your logic????? Congrats to Liquid! Such a huge turnaround from the last IPL TAC. Liquid showing that they can hang with the Korean teams NP. Polt was in code S more than 1 year, where was HerO? so? You do understand that you contradict yourself repeatedly. You point to GSL points as a measure of his current skill, and then you discredit current points, code S/ code B status and ranking? I'm glad that Polt was in code S last year, is he in there now? Oh, wait he isn't. You're a hypocrite. Either that or you have no concept of logic. Or both. By his logic, Fruitdealer is better than HerO too. Better than Polt as well since FD has a GSL championship under his belt. Also better than DRG, etc., etc. You might as well give up. Arguing with fanboys is kinda pointless. No one was really even "hating" on Polt to begin with. Note, I don't even believe that HerO is the better player overall compared to Polt, but his arguments are kinda funny.
Meh, on the contrary, I don't hate Polt. I just hate when people try to bash a player based on something as stupid as one bad matchup and then try to definitively say that X is better than Y, when Y has done pretty damn well recently, and has earned himself a Code S spot.
I'm a huge fan of Liquid (Sheth, Ret and TLO, what badasses!), though admittedly ambivalent towards HerO. Regardless, I just want to drive it home that his method of fanboyism is absolutely stupid.
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On March 01 2012 13:32 Falconblade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:25 Conquest101 wrote:On March 01 2012 13:18 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:15 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:12 Conquest101 wrote:On March 01 2012 13:07 dragonborn wrote:
GSL is more important than any tournament. Well.... then..... HerO = Code S, Polt = Code B so by your logic????? Congrats to Liquid! Such a huge turnaround from the last IPL TAC. Liquid showing that they can hang with the Korean teams NP. Polt was in code S more than 1 year, where was HerO? so? You do understand that you contradict yourself repeatedly. You point to GSL points as a measure of his current skill, and then you discredit current points, code S/ code B status and ranking? I'm glad that Polt was in code S last year, is he in there now? Oh, wait he isn't. You're a hypocrite. Either that or you have no concept of logic. Or both. By his logic, Fruitdealer is better than HerO too. Better than Polt as well since FD has a GSL championship under his belt. Also better than DRG, etc., etc. You might as well give up. Arguing with fanboys is kinda pointless. No one was really even "hating" on Polt to begin with. Note, I don't even believe that HerO is the better player overall compared to Polt, but his arguments are kinda funny. Meh, on the contrary, I don't hate Polt. I just hate when people try to bash a player based on something as stupid as one bad matchup and then try to definitively say that X is better than Y, when Y has done pretty damn well recently, and has earned himself a Code S spot. I'm a huge fan of Liquid (Sheth, Ret and TLO, what badasses!), though admittedly ambivalent towards HerO. Regardless, I just want to drive it home that his method of fanboyism is absolutely stupid.
Your methods is more stupid than mines.
Tell me what is make FXOTear #6 in korean ELO?
is he best Korean protoss?
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On March 01 2012 13:30 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:25 Conquest101 wrote:On March 01 2012 13:18 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:15 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:12 Conquest101 wrote:On March 01 2012 13:07 dragonborn wrote:
GSL is more important than any tournament. Well.... then..... HerO = Code S, Polt = Code B so by your logic????? Congrats to Liquid! Such a huge turnaround from the last IPL TAC. Liquid showing that they can hang with the Korean teams NP. Polt was in code S more than 1 year, where was HerO? so? You do understand that you contradict yourself repeatedly. You point to GSL points as a measure of his current skill, and then you discredit current points, code S/ code B status and ranking? I'm glad that Polt was in code S last year, is he in there now? Oh, wait he isn't. You're a hypocrite. Either that or you have no concept of logic. Or both. By his logic, Fruitdealer is better than HerO too. Better than Polt as well since FD has a GSL championship under his belt. Also better than DRG, etc., etc. You might as well give up. Arguing with fanboys is kinda pointless. No one was really even "hating" on Polt to begin with. Note, I don't even believe that HerO is the better player overall compared to Polt, but his arguments are kinda funny. Im saying lets talk about 2011 GSL results and points. Talking about 2012 is kinda pointless because of first GSL is not even finished. Since 2012's first gsl not even finished, its not wrong to talking about 2011's 3/4 or 4/4. Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:29 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:23 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:22 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:15 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:12 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:11 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:07 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:02 Falconblade wrote:
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No, I just have brains to look beyond a single 1 on 1. Despite the 4-1 at GSL Oct, Tastosis claimed that Mvp was better than MMA till MMA wrested the crown from him at the end of Blizz cup. One matchup does not make a player better than the other, as you seek to do with Polt and HerO and MMA.
Did you know that MMA v Polt has the same exact record as MC vs HuK in foreign tournaments? Huk has won 7 and lost 2 to MC. And most would agree that MC right now is much better. I wonder why that is?
Maybe because they have common sense. wtf are you talking about? You are not even put Polt in your top 5 terran list and talking about how MMA beats MVP and why he is best terran? Their records not in foreigner tournaments, its in GSL! And its simple MMA > MVP > Polt > MMA On March 01 2012 13:05 Falconblade wrote:[quote] You know that's ranking points right? For winning GSLs and the like from LAST YEAR? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_PointsFull list. Now tell me, do oGsTOP and July look like top 10 right now? Get real, and make arguments that have actual rationale behind them. I dont care about full list, just tell me top 5 Also TaeJa was #1 in korean TLPD when he won ESV korean weekly.So its a not big deal for being top 5 or 10 in TLPD rankings. GSL is more important than any tournament. Okay, the top 5 are http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_Starcraft_II_League/Rankings#Previous_Years_PointsThose are the current points. /The points you showed are from last year. And GSL ranking points don't mean that you are top in the world. And Polt is rank 51 in the current list. Thanks for showing me that he is top 5. Nevermind. Congrats, you've sure showed me what's up. This list only for 2012 and only 1 GSL has been played, LOLOLOL. lets talk about full list or only 2011 )))))))) Last I checked, we are talking about how Polt is right now. And the year is 2012. And you still don't grasp the concept of the points. GSL ranking points don't show if someone is better or not, just that they have gotten further. TLPD is a more valid measure of skill as it measures current form. But even if you want to use GSL points, you can't use last years for this year can you? Think about it. It may take you a few hours to grasp why you are wrong in everything you assert... But you'll get there. Or not. Then use 2012 list after at least 3 gsl finishing, to early to using this. So why are you using 2011 stats as a measure of current skill and level? I can point gloriously towards the days of Fruitdealer being #1 two years ago, or claim that Mvp is the best in the world followed by Nestea on your system. Mvp got knocked out in the bottom 16 of MLG and Nestea got beaten by Demuslim and got knocked out in the top 13-16 category of MLG winter. I'm glad the number 1 and 2 of your list did so well. Use a correct ranking system please, not a ranking system based on your adoration of Polt. Because last tournaments played on 2011 and we are on 1/4 of 2012, welcome the world! Do you still not understand that GSL ranking points are useless, which I've been trying to explain? This is the same system that proclaimed Top and July to be top 10. If that doesn't make sense, why does it make sense that Polt's top 5 ranking in the system is accurate? DRG is easily considered one of the best players in the world right now. Ask anyone. If you add both GSL points from last year and this year, DRG wouldn't even make it to top 10. He wasn't top 10 in your list. Yet people are saying that his #1 or Top 3 atleast in the world. So let me ask again. Why are you validating your stupid argument using a flawed and old system for this year? Because you are wrong. Let me know if I'm using big words, that may explain why you don't seem to understand anything. You are just saying Polt isnt top-tier terran with utterly useless ELO rankings, then im showing you GSL points. What is wrong? Nothing.
I'm saying he isn't top 5 currently. I didn't say that he wasn't top 5, and he was top 5 last year for sure.
But right now he isn't, and anyone will attest to that.
GSL points from last year don't mean a thing on how people are now. Polt is easily not top 5 Terrans right now. All of the Code S terrans, and some not in Code A have a valid claim to being better.
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Holy shit, Team Liquid making me eat my words. I like the "Team" part of Team Liquid!
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On March 01 2012 13:34 Falconblade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:30 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:25 Conquest101 wrote:On March 01 2012 13:18 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:15 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:12 Conquest101 wrote:On March 01 2012 13:07 dragonborn wrote:
GSL is more important than any tournament. Well.... then..... HerO = Code S, Polt = Code B so by your logic????? Congrats to Liquid! Such a huge turnaround from the last IPL TAC. Liquid showing that they can hang with the Korean teams NP. Polt was in code S more than 1 year, where was HerO? so? You do understand that you contradict yourself repeatedly. You point to GSL points as a measure of his current skill, and then you discredit current points, code S/ code B status and ranking? I'm glad that Polt was in code S last year, is he in there now? Oh, wait he isn't. You're a hypocrite. Either that or you have no concept of logic. Or both. By his logic, Fruitdealer is better than HerO too. Better than Polt as well since FD has a GSL championship under his belt. Also better than DRG, etc., etc. You might as well give up. Arguing with fanboys is kinda pointless. No one was really even "hating" on Polt to begin with. Note, I don't even believe that HerO is the better player overall compared to Polt, but his arguments are kinda funny. Im saying lets talk about 2011 GSL results and points. Talking about 2012 is kinda pointless because of first GSL is not even finished. Since 2012's first gsl not even finished, its not wrong to talking about 2011's 3/4 or 4/4. On March 01 2012 13:29 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:23 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:22 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:15 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:12 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:11 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:07 dragonborn wrote:[quote] wtf are you talking about? You are not even put Polt in your top 5 terran list and talking about how MMA beats MVP and why he is best terran? Their records not in foreigner tournaments, its in GSL! And its simple MMA > MVP > Polt > MMA [quote] I dont care about full list, just tell me top 5 Also TaeJa was #1 in korean TLPD when he won ESV korean weekly.So its a not big deal for being top 5 or 10 in TLPD rankings. GSL is more important than any tournament. Okay, the top 5 are http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_Starcraft_II_League/Rankings#Previous_Years_PointsThose are the current points. /The points you showed are from last year. And GSL ranking points don't mean that you are top in the world. And Polt is rank 51 in the current list. Thanks for showing me that he is top 5. Nevermind. Congrats, you've sure showed me what's up. This list only for 2012 and only 1 GSL has been played, LOLOLOL. lets talk about full list or only 2011 )))))))) Last I checked, we are talking about how Polt is right now. And the year is 2012. And you still don't grasp the concept of the points. GSL ranking points don't show if someone is better or not, just that they have gotten further. TLPD is a more valid measure of skill as it measures current form. But even if you want to use GSL points, you can't use last years for this year can you? Think about it. It may take you a few hours to grasp why you are wrong in everything you assert... But you'll get there. Or not. Then use 2012 list after at least 3 gsl finishing, to early to using this. So why are you using 2011 stats as a measure of current skill and level? I can point gloriously towards the days of Fruitdealer being #1 two years ago, or claim that Mvp is the best in the world followed by Nestea on your system. Mvp got knocked out in the bottom 16 of MLG and Nestea got beaten by Demuslim and got knocked out in the top 13-16 category of MLG winter. I'm glad the number 1 and 2 of your list did so well. Use a correct ranking system please, not a ranking system based on your adoration of Polt. Because last tournaments played on 2011 and we are on 1/4 of 2012, welcome the world! Do you still not understand that GSL ranking points are useless, which I've been trying to explain? This is the same system that proclaimed Top and July to be top 10. If that doesn't make sense, why does it make sense that Polt's top 5 ranking in the system is accurate? DRG is easily considered one of the best players in the world right now. Ask anyone. If you add both GSL points from last year and this year, DRG wouldn't even make it to top 10. He wasn't top 10 in your list. Yet people are saying that his #1 or Top 3 atleast in the world. So let me ask again. Why are you validating your stupid argument using a flawed and old system for this year? Because you are wrong. Let me know if I'm using big words, that may explain why you don't seem to understand anything. You are just saying Polt isnt top-tier terran with utterly useless ELO rankings, then im showing you GSL points. What is wrong? Nothing. I'm saying he isn't top 5 currently. I didn't say that he wasn't top 5, and he was top 5 last year for sure. But right now he isn't, and anyone will attest to that. GSL points from last year don't mean a thing on how people are now. Polt is easily not top 5 Terrans right now. All of the Code S terrans, and some not in Code A have a valid claim to being better.
TaeJa is code S terran and Polt manhandled him at Assembly, sup?
Polt is still in top 5 with mma,mvp,alive and jjakji.
Also saying some of code A terrans better than Polt, simply hating on him.
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On March 01 2012 13:37 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:34 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:30 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:25 Conquest101 wrote:On March 01 2012 13:18 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:15 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:12 Conquest101 wrote:On March 01 2012 13:07 dragonborn wrote:
GSL is more important than any tournament. Well.... then..... HerO = Code S, Polt = Code B so by your logic????? Congrats to Liquid! Such a huge turnaround from the last IPL TAC. Liquid showing that they can hang with the Korean teams NP. Polt was in code S more than 1 year, where was HerO? so? You do understand that you contradict yourself repeatedly. You point to GSL points as a measure of his current skill, and then you discredit current points, code S/ code B status and ranking? I'm glad that Polt was in code S last year, is he in there now? Oh, wait he isn't. You're a hypocrite. Either that or you have no concept of logic. Or both. By his logic, Fruitdealer is better than HerO too. Better than Polt as well since FD has a GSL championship under his belt. Also better than DRG, etc., etc. You might as well give up. Arguing with fanboys is kinda pointless. No one was really even "hating" on Polt to begin with. Note, I don't even believe that HerO is the better player overall compared to Polt, but his arguments are kinda funny. Im saying lets talk about 2011 GSL results and points. Talking about 2012 is kinda pointless because of first GSL is not even finished. Since 2012's first gsl not even finished, its not wrong to talking about 2011's 3/4 or 4/4. On March 01 2012 13:29 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:23 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:22 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:15 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:12 dragonborn wrote:This list only for 2012 and only 1 GSL has been played, LOLOLOL. lets talk about full list or only 2011 )))))))) Last I checked, we are talking about how Polt is right now. And the year is 2012. And you still don't grasp the concept of the points. GSL ranking points don't show if someone is better or not, just that they have gotten further. TLPD is a more valid measure of skill as it measures current form. But even if you want to use GSL points, you can't use last years for this year can you? Think about it. It may take you a few hours to grasp why you are wrong in everything you assert... But you'll get there. Or not. Then use 2012 list after at least 3 gsl finishing, to early to using this. So why are you using 2011 stats as a measure of current skill and level? I can point gloriously towards the days of Fruitdealer being #1 two years ago, or claim that Mvp is the best in the world followed by Nestea on your system. Mvp got knocked out in the bottom 16 of MLG and Nestea got beaten by Demuslim and got knocked out in the top 13-16 category of MLG winter. I'm glad the number 1 and 2 of your list did so well. Use a correct ranking system please, not a ranking system based on your adoration of Polt. Because last tournaments played on 2011 and we are on 1/4 of 2012, welcome the world! Do you still not understand that GSL ranking points are useless, which I've been trying to explain? This is the same system that proclaimed Top and July to be top 10. If that doesn't make sense, why does it make sense that Polt's top 5 ranking in the system is accurate? DRG is easily considered one of the best players in the world right now. Ask anyone. If you add both GSL points from last year and this year, DRG wouldn't even make it to top 10. He wasn't top 10 in your list. Yet people are saying that his #1 or Top 3 atleast in the world. So let me ask again. Why are you validating your stupid argument using a flawed and old system for this year? Because you are wrong. Let me know if I'm using big words, that may explain why you don't seem to understand anything. You are just saying Polt isnt top-tier terran with utterly useless ELO rankings, then im showing you GSL points. What is wrong? Nothing. I'm saying he isn't top 5 currently. I didn't say that he wasn't top 5, and he was top 5 last year for sure. But right now he isn't, and anyone will attest to that. GSL points from last year don't mean a thing on how people are now. Polt is easily not top 5 Terrans right now. All of the Code S terrans, and some not in Code A have a valid claim to being better. TaeJa is code S terran and Polt manhandled him at Assembly, sup? Polt is still in top 5 with mma,mvp,alive and jjakji. Also saying some of code A terrans better than Polt, simply hating on him.
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MarineKing best Terran of 2012
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kindly continue
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Please stop fighting over this stuff. It's getting us nowhere.
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On March 01 2012 13:38 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:37 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:34 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:30 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:25 Conquest101 wrote:On March 01 2012 13:18 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:15 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:12 Conquest101 wrote:On March 01 2012 13:07 dragonborn wrote:
GSL is more important than any tournament. Well.... then..... HerO = Code S, Polt = Code B so by your logic????? Congrats to Liquid! Such a huge turnaround from the last IPL TAC. Liquid showing that they can hang with the Korean teams NP. Polt was in code S more than 1 year, where was HerO? so? You do understand that you contradict yourself repeatedly. You point to GSL points as a measure of his current skill, and then you discredit current points, code S/ code B status and ranking? I'm glad that Polt was in code S last year, is he in there now? Oh, wait he isn't. You're a hypocrite. Either that or you have no concept of logic. Or both. By his logic, Fruitdealer is better than HerO too. Better than Polt as well since FD has a GSL championship under his belt. Also better than DRG, etc., etc. You might as well give up. Arguing with fanboys is kinda pointless. No one was really even "hating" on Polt to begin with. Note, I don't even believe that HerO is the better player overall compared to Polt, but his arguments are kinda funny. Im saying lets talk about 2011 GSL results and points. Talking about 2012 is kinda pointless because of first GSL is not even finished. Since 2012's first gsl not even finished, its not wrong to talking about 2011's 3/4 or 4/4. On March 01 2012 13:29 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:23 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:22 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:15 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:12 dragonborn wrote:[quote] This list only for 2012 and only 1 GSL has been played, LOLOLOL. lets talk about full list or only 2011 )))))))) Last I checked, we are talking about how Polt is right now. And the year is 2012. And you still don't grasp the concept of the points. GSL ranking points don't show if someone is better or not, just that they have gotten further. TLPD is a more valid measure of skill as it measures current form. But even if you want to use GSL points, you can't use last years for this year can you? Think about it. It may take you a few hours to grasp why you are wrong in everything you assert... But you'll get there. Or not. Then use 2012 list after at least 3 gsl finishing, to early to using this. So why are you using 2011 stats as a measure of current skill and level? I can point gloriously towards the days of Fruitdealer being #1 two years ago, or claim that Mvp is the best in the world followed by Nestea on your system. Mvp got knocked out in the bottom 16 of MLG and Nestea got beaten by Demuslim and got knocked out in the top 13-16 category of MLG winter. I'm glad the number 1 and 2 of your list did so well. Use a correct ranking system please, not a ranking system based on your adoration of Polt. Because last tournaments played on 2011 and we are on 1/4 of 2012, welcome the world! Do you still not understand that GSL ranking points are useless, which I've been trying to explain? This is the same system that proclaimed Top and July to be top 10. If that doesn't make sense, why does it make sense that Polt's top 5 ranking in the system is accurate? DRG is easily considered one of the best players in the world right now. Ask anyone. If you add both GSL points from last year and this year, DRG wouldn't even make it to top 10. He wasn't top 10 in your list. Yet people are saying that his #1 or Top 3 atleast in the world. So let me ask again. Why are you validating your stupid argument using a flawed and old system for this year? Because you are wrong. Let me know if I'm using big words, that may explain why you don't seem to understand anything. You are just saying Polt isnt top-tier terran with utterly useless ELO rankings, then im showing you GSL points. What is wrong? Nothing. I'm saying he isn't top 5 currently. I didn't say that he wasn't top 5, and he was top 5 last year for sure. But right now he isn't, and anyone will attest to that. GSL points from last year don't mean a thing on how people are now. Polt is easily not top 5 Terrans right now. All of the Code S terrans, and some not in Code A have a valid claim to being better. TaeJa is code S terran and Polt manhandled him at Assembly, sup? Polt is still in top 5 with mma,mvp,alive and jjakji. Also saying some of code A terrans better than Polt, simply hating on him. [chime] MarineKing best Terran of 2012 [/chime] kindly continue
oh well i forget him :S
mkp,polt,mma,mvp and alive/jjakji
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On March 01 2012 13:34 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:32 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:25 Conquest101 wrote:On March 01 2012 13:18 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:15 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:12 Conquest101 wrote:On March 01 2012 13:07 dragonborn wrote:
GSL is more important than any tournament. Well.... then..... HerO = Code S, Polt = Code B so by your logic????? Congrats to Liquid! Such a huge turnaround from the last IPL TAC. Liquid showing that they can hang with the Korean teams NP. Polt was in code S more than 1 year, where was HerO? so? You do understand that you contradict yourself repeatedly. You point to GSL points as a measure of his current skill, and then you discredit current points, code S/ code B status and ranking? I'm glad that Polt was in code S last year, is he in there now? Oh, wait he isn't. You're a hypocrite. Either that or you have no concept of logic. Or both. By his logic, Fruitdealer is better than HerO too. Better than Polt as well since FD has a GSL championship under his belt. Also better than DRG, etc., etc. You might as well give up. Arguing with fanboys is kinda pointless. No one was really even "hating" on Polt to begin with. Note, I don't even believe that HerO is the better player overall compared to Polt, but his arguments are kinda funny. Meh, on the contrary, I don't hate Polt. I just hate when people try to bash a player based on something as stupid as one bad matchup and then try to definitively say that X is better than Y, when Y has done pretty damn well recently, and has earned himself a Code S spot. I'm a huge fan of Liquid (Sheth, Ret and TLO, what badasses!), though admittedly ambivalent towards HerO. Regardless, I just want to drive it home that his method of fanboyism is absolutely stupid. Your methods is more stupid than mines. Tell me what is make FXOTear #6 in korean ELO? is he best Korean protoss?
Genius is ahead of him in TLPD btw.
And no, but ELO is better than GSL points (FROM LAST YEAR NO LESS) to assess current skills of players. And there are many terrans ahead of Polt. I didn't make outrageous claims like Maru, Noblesse, Happy, etc etc. as being better than Polt. The list I gave of the terrans ahead of Polt were all Code S Terrans, many of which made it to ro16 or greater. And they were GSL terrans, the holy grail of rankings for you it seems.
Let me dumb it down for you.
Terran List - GSL Terrans, Code S. Have good current records in GSL/MLG, etc. etc. > Polt. And there are more than 5 of those.
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On March 01 2012 13:39 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:38 opterown wrote:On March 01 2012 13:37 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:34 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:30 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:25 Conquest101 wrote:On March 01 2012 13:18 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:15 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:12 Conquest101 wrote:On March 01 2012 13:07 dragonborn wrote:
GSL is more important than any tournament. Well.... then..... HerO = Code S, Polt = Code B so by your logic????? Congrats to Liquid! Such a huge turnaround from the last IPL TAC. Liquid showing that they can hang with the Korean teams NP. Polt was in code S more than 1 year, where was HerO? so? You do understand that you contradict yourself repeatedly. You point to GSL points as a measure of his current skill, and then you discredit current points, code S/ code B status and ranking? I'm glad that Polt was in code S last year, is he in there now? Oh, wait he isn't. You're a hypocrite. Either that or you have no concept of logic. Or both. By his logic, Fruitdealer is better than HerO too. Better than Polt as well since FD has a GSL championship under his belt. Also better than DRG, etc., etc. You might as well give up. Arguing with fanboys is kinda pointless. No one was really even "hating" on Polt to begin with. Note, I don't even believe that HerO is the better player overall compared to Polt, but his arguments are kinda funny. Im saying lets talk about 2011 GSL results and points. Talking about 2012 is kinda pointless because of first GSL is not even finished. Since 2012's first gsl not even finished, its not wrong to talking about 2011's 3/4 or 4/4. On March 01 2012 13:29 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:23 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:22 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:15 Falconblade wrote:
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Last I checked, we are talking about how Polt is right now. And the year is 2012. And you still don't grasp the concept of the points. GSL ranking points don't show if someone is better or not, just that they have gotten further. TLPD is a more valid measure of skill as it measures current form. But even if you want to use GSL points, you can't use last years for this year can you? Think about it. It may take you a few hours to grasp why you are wrong in everything you assert... But you'll get there.
Or not.
Then use 2012 list after at least 3 gsl finishing, to early to using this. So why are you using 2011 stats as a measure of current skill and level? I can point gloriously towards the days of Fruitdealer being #1 two years ago, or claim that Mvp is the best in the world followed by Nestea on your system. Mvp got knocked out in the bottom 16 of MLG and Nestea got beaten by Demuslim and got knocked out in the top 13-16 category of MLG winter. I'm glad the number 1 and 2 of your list did so well. Use a correct ranking system please, not a ranking system based on your adoration of Polt. Because last tournaments played on 2011 and we are on 1/4 of 2012, welcome the world! Do you still not understand that GSL ranking points are useless, which I've been trying to explain? This is the same system that proclaimed Top and July to be top 10. If that doesn't make sense, why does it make sense that Polt's top 5 ranking in the system is accurate? DRG is easily considered one of the best players in the world right now. Ask anyone. If you add both GSL points from last year and this year, DRG wouldn't even make it to top 10. He wasn't top 10 in your list. Yet people are saying that his #1 or Top 3 atleast in the world. So let me ask again. Why are you validating your stupid argument using a flawed and old system for this year? Because you are wrong. Let me know if I'm using big words, that may explain why you don't seem to understand anything. You are just saying Polt isnt top-tier terran with utterly useless ELO rankings, then im showing you GSL points. What is wrong? Nothing. I'm saying he isn't top 5 currently. I didn't say that he wasn't top 5, and he was top 5 last year for sure. But right now he isn't, and anyone will attest to that. GSL points from last year don't mean a thing on how people are now. Polt is easily not top 5 Terrans right now. All of the Code S terrans, and some not in Code A have a valid claim to being better. TaeJa is code S terran and Polt manhandled him at Assembly, sup? Polt is still in top 5 with mma,mvp,alive and jjakji. Also saying some of code A terrans better than Polt, simply hating on him. [chime] MarineKing best Terran of 2012 [/chime] kindly continue oh well i forget him :S mkp,polt,mma,mvp and alive/jjakji
I would definitely put GuMiho in there somewhere too; outside of GSL he actually has been doing very well lately:
-one game away from GSL finals, and some great games before that (3-1 Puzzle, 4-1 Mvp)
-one game away from qualifying for MLG winter arena
-multiple multi-kills in team leagues (IPL, KSL)
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On March 01 2012 13:39 Falconblade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:34 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:32 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:25 Conquest101 wrote:On March 01 2012 13:18 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:15 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:12 Conquest101 wrote:On March 01 2012 13:07 dragonborn wrote:
GSL is more important than any tournament. Well.... then..... HerO = Code S, Polt = Code B so by your logic????? Congrats to Liquid! Such a huge turnaround from the last IPL TAC. Liquid showing that they can hang with the Korean teams NP. Polt was in code S more than 1 year, where was HerO? so? You do understand that you contradict yourself repeatedly. You point to GSL points as a measure of his current skill, and then you discredit current points, code S/ code B status and ranking? I'm glad that Polt was in code S last year, is he in there now? Oh, wait he isn't. You're a hypocrite. Either that or you have no concept of logic. Or both. By his logic, Fruitdealer is better than HerO too. Better than Polt as well since FD has a GSL championship under his belt. Also better than DRG, etc., etc. You might as well give up. Arguing with fanboys is kinda pointless. No one was really even "hating" on Polt to begin with. Note, I don't even believe that HerO is the better player overall compared to Polt, but his arguments are kinda funny. Meh, on the contrary, I don't hate Polt. I just hate when people try to bash a player based on something as stupid as one bad matchup and then try to definitively say that X is better than Y, when Y has done pretty damn well recently, and has earned himself a Code S spot. I'm a huge fan of Liquid (Sheth, Ret and TLO, what badasses!), though admittedly ambivalent towards HerO. Regardless, I just want to drive it home that his method of fanboyism is absolutely stupid. Your methods is more stupid than mines. Tell me what is make FXOTear #6 in korean ELO? is he best Korean protoss? Genius is ahead of him in TLPD btw. And no, but ELO is better than GSL points (FROM LAST YEAR NO LESS) to assess current skills of players. And there are many terrans ahead of Polt. I didn't make outrageous claims like Maru, Noblesse, Happy, etc etc. as being better than Polt. The list I gave of the terrans ahead of Polt were all Code S Terrans, many of which made it to ro16 or greater. And they were GSL terrans, the holy grail of rankings for you it seems. Let me dumb it down for you. Terran List - GSL Terrans, Code S. Have good current records in GSL/MLG, etc. etc. > Polt.
Im not sure if you serious or not.Being code S terran and playing ro16 doesnt make you better than Polt.
or being code S zerg deosnt make you better than LosirA.
You just need to watch game of these players for decide who is better than other, and Polt already proved himself for winning Assembly with hardest bracket.
also ELO is definitely not good for saying these player is better because of higher rank.
like i said, FXOTear
and stop it, i dont want to argue with you anymore.You think polt isnt top terran and i think he is still top , thats it.
On March 01 2012 13:43 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:39 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:38 opterown wrote:On March 01 2012 13:37 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:34 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:30 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:25 Conquest101 wrote:On March 01 2012 13:18 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:15 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:12 Conquest101 wrote:[quote] Well.... then..... HerO = Code S, Polt = Code B so by your logic????? Congrats to Liquid! Such a huge turnaround from the last IPL TAC. Liquid showing that they can hang with the Korean teams NP. Polt was in code S more than 1 year, where was HerO? so? You do understand that you contradict yourself repeatedly. You point to GSL points as a measure of his current skill, and then you discredit current points, code S/ code B status and ranking? I'm glad that Polt was in code S last year, is he in there now? Oh, wait he isn't. You're a hypocrite. Either that or you have no concept of logic. Or both. By his logic, Fruitdealer is better than HerO too. Better than Polt as well since FD has a GSL championship under his belt. Also better than DRG, etc., etc. You might as well give up. Arguing with fanboys is kinda pointless. No one was really even "hating" on Polt to begin with. Note, I don't even believe that HerO is the better player overall compared to Polt, but his arguments are kinda funny. Im saying lets talk about 2011 GSL results and points. Talking about 2012 is kinda pointless because of first GSL is not even finished. Since 2012's first gsl not even finished, its not wrong to talking about 2011's 3/4 or 4/4. On March 01 2012 13:29 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:23 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 13:22 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 13:16 dragonborn wrote:
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Then use 2012 list after at least 3 gsl finishing, to early to using this. So why are you using 2011 stats as a measure of current skill and level? I can point gloriously towards the days of Fruitdealer being #1 two years ago, or claim that Mvp is the best in the world followed by Nestea on your system. Mvp got knocked out in the bottom 16 of MLG and Nestea got beaten by Demuslim and got knocked out in the top 13-16 category of MLG winter. I'm glad the number 1 and 2 of your list did so well. Use a correct ranking system please, not a ranking system based on your adoration of Polt. Because last tournaments played on 2011 and we are on 1/4 of 2012, welcome the world! Do you still not understand that GSL ranking points are useless, which I've been trying to explain? This is the same system that proclaimed Top and July to be top 10. If that doesn't make sense, why does it make sense that Polt's top 5 ranking in the system is accurate? DRG is easily considered one of the best players in the world right now. Ask anyone. If you add both GSL points from last year and this year, DRG wouldn't even make it to top 10. He wasn't top 10 in your list. Yet people are saying that his #1 or Top 3 atleast in the world. So let me ask again. Why are you validating your stupid argument using a flawed and old system for this year? Because you are wrong. Let me know if I'm using big words, that may explain why you don't seem to understand anything. You are just saying Polt isnt top-tier terran with utterly useless ELO rankings, then im showing you GSL points. What is wrong? Nothing. I'm saying he isn't top 5 currently. I didn't say that he wasn't top 5, and he was top 5 last year for sure. But right now he isn't, and anyone will attest to that. GSL points from last year don't mean a thing on how people are now. Polt is easily not top 5 Terrans right now. All of the Code S terrans, and some not in Code A have a valid claim to being better. TaeJa is code S terran and Polt manhandled him at Assembly, sup? Polt is still in top 5 with mma,mvp,alive and jjakji. Also saying some of code A terrans better than Polt, simply hating on him. [chime] MarineKing best Terran of 2012 [/chime] kindly continue oh well i forget him :S mkp,polt,mma,mvp and alive/jjakji I would definitely put GuMiho in there somewhere too; outside of GSL he actually has been doing very well lately: -one game away from GSL finals, and some great games before that (3-1 Puzzle, 4-1 Mvp) -one game away from qualifying for MLG winter arena -multiple multi-kills in team leagues (IPL, KSL)
GuMiHo still need to prove himself more than being one time semi finalist.
and congratz to teamliquid.
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Polt played against two Protoss with below 40% w/r in PvT, and Lucky who has a sub 45% w/r against Terran. And he beat a good foreigner in Stephano.
None of that makes it the toughest bracket in the world for Polt to come out. He also lost to BlinG. (Btw, Bling has a 2-0 record against Polt, does that make him better than Polt as your Polt > Hero for their matchup?)
He had a good showing, and I was rooting for him against Stephano.
Doesn't mean that it propels him to top 5 status when looking at Alive who took down MMA and made it to ro4. Or MMA who made it to ro8 GSL. Or Gumiho who made it to ro4 defeating Puzzle, Mvp (who btw has beaten Polt in their last encounter and holds a winning record against him, and has a generally high TvT). Or Mvp, despite his slumping, who has still done pretty well considering things. Or GanZi who beat Mvp and MC, both of them good against Terran and Code S players. Or Supernova who took 2nd at Iem to a rampaging viOlet, or and got to ro16 over Leenock, Fin and beating MC to top his group. And MKP, who I don't even need to bother defending.
You say Gumiho needs to prove himself, I say Polt could do the same. When was the last time he prevailed over the cream of crop? The super tournament way back? What about now? All of those aforementioned have a clear claim to being better than Polt right now. And their results, their status in Code S... Polt, despite your fanboy love for him, is simply not top 5.
Especially since you keep harping on about GSL this, GSL that, as being the true test of skill. Guess what, if you're doing that, Polt definitely isn't top 5. Stop going back on your argument to try and find loopholes to get Polt in there. I figured bolding this might help you out.
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On March 01 2012 14:03 Falconblade wrote:
Polt played against two Protoss with below 40% w/r in PvT, and Lucky who has a sub 45% w/r against Terran. And he beat a good foreigner in Stephano.
None of that makes it the toughest bracket in the world for Polt to come out. He also lost to BlinG. (Btw, Bling has a 2-0 record against Polt, does that make him better than Polt as your Polt > Hero for their matchup?)
He had a good showing, and I was rooting for him against Stephano.
Doesn't mean that it propels him to top 5 status when looking at Alive who took down MMA and made it to ro4. Or MMA who made it to ro8 GSL. Or Gumiho who made it to ro4 defeating Puzzle, Mvp (who btw has beaten Polt in their last encounter and holds a winning record against him, and has a generally high TvT). Or Mvp, despite his slumping, who has still done pretty well considering things. Or GanZi who beat Mvp and MC, both of them good against Terran and Code S players. Or Supernova who took 2nd at Iem to a rampaging viOlet, or and got to ro16 over Leenock, Fin and beating MC to top his group. And MKP, who I don't even need to bother defending.
You say Gumiho needs to prove himself, I say Polt could do the same. When was the last time he prevailed over the cream of crop? The super tournament way back? What about now? All of those aforementioned have a clear claim to being better than Polt right now. And their results, their status in Code S... Polt, despite your fanboy love for him, is simply not top 5.
Especially since you keep harping on about GSL this, GSL that, as being the true test of skill. Guess what, if you're doing that, Polt definitely isn't top 5. Stop going back on your argument to try and find loopholes to get Polt in there. I figured bolding this might help you out.
I dont care about your posts and logics, bye.
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On March 01 2012 13:12 Falconblade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:08 wklbishop wrote:On March 01 2012 13:02 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 12:55 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:53 Falconblade wrote:On March 01 2012 12:51 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:43 Bagration wrote:On March 01 2012 12:41 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:38 kochujang wrote:On March 01 2012 12:34 naux wrote:
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LOLLLLLLLLL the person who says just because Polt beats HerO 1on1 doesnt mean his better is just straight ignorant .. i swear most TL fans and i mean MOST not all are just bandwagoners i swear So Polt is better than MMA? Yes he is? Now dragonborn, Polt is a great player, and he was better than MMA back in the summer of 2011, but I don't think he is anymore. MMA's has turned into such a strong player that it would not be any stretch to call him the world's best player now that MVP has started to look very mortal (unfortunately due to his wrists  ) Polt is still a fantastic player, just remember Blizzard Cup, and Polt lose in GSL/GSTL because of he was sick and his condition wasnt okay. He is still on same level with MMA and polt's current condition is good as when he won gsl super tournament. Wait untill Polt qualifiying for code A or getting Seed from GOM. Did he do well in Blizz Cup? Oh nevermind, he tied against MMA 1-1, and lost to Mvp who was crushed by MMA 3-0, and then MMA followed it up with a spectacular win against DRG. Polt is no where near MMA's level. Even if Polt manages to beat MMA, Polt is not as good against the other top tiers as MMA is. LOL ok, i get it! you just hating on Polt for beating MMA left and right, okay! No, I just have brains to look beyond a single 1 on 1. Despite the 4-1 at GSL Oct, Tastosis claimed that Mvp was better than MMA till MMA wrested the crown from him at the end of Blizz cup. One matchup does not make a player better than the other, as you seek to do with Polt and HerO and MMA. Did you know that MMA v Polt has the same exact record as MC vs HuK in foreign tournaments? Huk has won 7 and lost 2 to MC. And most would agree that MC right now is much better. I wonder why that is? Maybe because they have common sense. I don't have a problem with either of your logic nor do I have a problem with you saying MMA is better than Polt. Buuuuut. Taken together, both of your logic contradicts one another. You claim that personal matchups against each other between Polt and MMA does not make Polt a better player yet you use MMA beating MVP as meaning he's better than MVP. By itself, I can kind of understand, but you're contradicting yourself here. No, I'm not claiming that MMA > Mvp because of their matchup. I'm proving that it isn't so. Despite MMA beating Mvp. MvP > MMA even after GSL October. And that is what I was saying. And what Tastosis were saying, and what most were saying. Until MMA won Blizzcup, and even after till he had done more, and won more, MMA wasn't > Mvp.
Ah my bad then, I must've confused you with someone else.
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Hmm, I think this is going to be tough for Liquid
Maybe HerO or Zenio can snipe Polt, and have Sheth do clean up duty :p
Looking forward to this
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On March 01 2012 14:03 Falconblade wrote:
Polt played against two Protoss with below 40% w/r in PvT, and Lucky who has a sub 45% w/r against Terran. And he beat a good foreigner in Stephano.
None of that makes it the toughest bracket in the world for Polt to come out. He also lost to BlinG. (Btw, Bling has a 2-0 record against Polt, does that make him better than Polt as your Polt > Hero for their matchup?)
He had a good showing, and I was rooting for him against Stephano.
Doesn't mean that it propels him to top 5 status when looking at Alive who took down MMA and made it to ro4. Or MMA who made it to ro8 GSL. Or Gumiho who made it to ro4 defeating Puzzle, Mvp (who btw has beaten Polt in their last encounter and holds a winning record against him, and has a generally high TvT). Or Mvp, despite his slumping, who has still done pretty well considering things. Or GanZi who beat Mvp and MC, both of them good against Terran and Code S players. Or Supernova who took 2nd at Iem to a rampaging viOlet, or and got to ro16 over Leenock, Fin and beating MC to top his group. And MKP, who I don't even need to bother defending.
You say Gumiho needs to prove himself, I say Polt could do the same. When was the last time he prevailed over the cream of crop? The super tournament way back? What about now? All of those aforementioned have a clear claim to being better than Polt right now. And their results, their status in Code S... Polt, despite your fanboy love for him, is simply not top 5.
Especially since you keep harping on about GSL this, GSL that, as being the true test of skill. Guess what, if you're doing that, Polt definitely isn't top 5. Stop going back on your argument to try and find loopholes to get Polt in there. I figured bolding this might help you out.
Most of Hero's losses were before September. You're straight-out lying about Bling.
Alive beat a sick MMA.
Supernova's performance at IEM was supremely disappointing and actually reflects negatively on his skill. He was also fortunate to beat MC.
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I was worried about FXO vs. Liquid but then I remembered that Liquid recently defeated them in the NASTL 3-1 (Mouz also defeated them in NASTL) so I'd definately say they are favored.
The most epic possible tournament run would be FXO --> Startale --> OGS (IMAGINE THAT ) --> and then a rematch vs Prime.
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On March 01 2012 14:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 14:03 Falconblade wrote:
Polt played against two Protoss with below 40% w/r in PvT, and Lucky who has a sub 45% w/r against Terran. And he beat a good foreigner in Stephano.
None of that makes it the toughest bracket in the world for Polt to come out. He also lost to BlinG. (Btw, Bling has a 2-0 record against Polt, does that make him better than Polt as your Polt > Hero for their matchup?)
He had a good showing, and I was rooting for him against Stephano.
Doesn't mean that it propels him to top 5 status when looking at Alive who took down MMA and made it to ro4. Or MMA who made it to ro8 GSL. Or Gumiho who made it to ro4 defeating Puzzle, Mvp (who btw has beaten Polt in their last encounter and holds a winning record against him, and has a generally high TvT). Or Mvp, despite his slumping, who has still done pretty well considering things. Or GanZi who beat Mvp and MC, both of them good against Terran and Code S players. Or Supernova who took 2nd at Iem to a rampaging viOlet, or and got to ro16 over Leenock, Fin and beating MC to top his group. And MKP, who I don't even need to bother defending.
You say Gumiho needs to prove himself, I say Polt could do the same. When was the last time he prevailed over the cream of crop? The super tournament way back? What about now? All of those aforementioned have a clear claim to being better than Polt right now. And their results, their status in Code S... Polt, despite your fanboy love for him, is simply not top 5.
Especially since you keep harping on about GSL this, GSL that, as being the true test of skill. Guess what, if you're doing that, Polt definitely isn't top 5. Stop going back on your argument to try and find loopholes to get Polt in there. I figured bolding this might help you out.
Most of Hero's losses were before September. You're straight-out lying about Bling. Alive beat a sick MMA. Supernova's performance at IEM was supremely disappointing and actually reflects negatively on his skill. He was also fortunate to beat MC.
Lying where? And Alive showed that he was damn good. Sick MMA or not.
Hero's TvP is touch and go. And Bling did beat Polt 2-0 in the group stages, Polt played Hero who has have low rates against T. I thought he played JYP (the other protoss I meant to point out but I was wrong there, its been a ton of games and I mixed up who played Taeja and who played JYP since I missed that round of games). But accusing me of lying in regards to Bling, is unfounded? I take rather offense to that allegation that I am lying. Check the stats, Bling has a 2-0 record against Polt overall, having only played him once. This was meant to highlight the previous bloke's love of comparing people on the matchup between them as opposed to overall skill. The only thing I claimed was that Bling beat Polt, and that is true is it not?
Supernova may have been disappointing at IEM but still got 2nd despite it, but why should you justify fortunate or not? Shit happens, and end of the day, Supernova beat him.
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