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On March 19 2012 03:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
This fucking balance whining is insufferable. Hey BlinG beats Demuslim AGAIN, must be Protoss rite?
TL is unusually grumpy today.
I'm more disppointed by the fact you haven't forced bling to wear a top hat as part of his sponsorship.
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On March 19 2012 03:30 itsjuspeter wrote:
Can we not turn even this LR thread into a TvP whine thread? I'd rather enjoy games and read people's comments on game play than about balance... take it to the "where did all the terrans go? thread... that place is out of hand
I agree. The thread was going so smooth.
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On March 19 2012 03:31 Gatored wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:28 KalWarkov wrote:On March 19 2012 03:23 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:19 Huragius wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 Fragile51 wrote:On March 19 2012 03:07 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:05 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:01 Type|NarutO wrote:
30 3-3 Ghost would have won that fight without much of a problem. Too bad Terrans don't like Ghosts :/. Rofl. You have no idea. Good luck affording 30 3-3 Ghost AND retaining all of them throughout the game buddy, that's way too unrealistic. Retaining your extremely expensive Ghost during trades/engagements is near impossible, they may be sturdy, but for their cost, not so much. It's highly impractical/impossible to go pure mass ghost vs Protoss because of cost, supply, and the fact that they have to have support. I have no clue... okay! Try it first, when I can get to a mass-ghost late game, DemusliM certainly can as well. Wait what? A pro terran trying new stuff and having to defend himself against forumgoers? x_x wtf am i reading I might not be pro but I'm high master and I've tryed all sorts of stuff for late game TvP. I know it's just impractical to mass ghost vs Protoss in the late game. Only way to win against a good protoss lategame is to have to have the perfect mix of units and planetarys splitting the map with Nuke Harass and doom drops. I can send you a replay where a Protoss with nearly unlimited ressources (15000/8000) didn't finish me when he could and couldn't after I got my ghost count up. No amount of colossi nor anything else could save him, everything just emp'ed and cloaked ghosts are durable. =.=! Why don't you just try it, its not EASY but its do-able. Yes it doable, but how often do you get to that point ? Most of the time, a good protoss will see you sacking SCV or doing sacrificial drops, and kill you with his 200/200 deathball with 40 gateways resupply. It only works versus quite stupid Protosses or against people who are not familiar with this style. Its just like mass Thors was before nerf. EmpireHappy.. used it vs MaNa, Socke, HasuObs and tons of other very good Protoss players. even vs creator prime and it worked. its true... but i still think the opponents he faced didnt adjust well enough, you have to stop building any templar/archon and just build huge gateway armys with many observers and 3-4 colossus imo vs that style Gotta love the theorycrafters @ TL. 
well, what else do you suggest vs 30 ghosts? you have to theorycraft vs it since no1 else plays that lategame like he does?
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On March 19 2012 03:25 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:24 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 Fragile51 wrote:On March 19 2012 03:07 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:05 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:01 Type|NarutO wrote:
30 3-3 Ghost would have won that fight without much of a problem. Too bad Terrans don't like Ghosts :/. Rofl. You have no idea. Good luck affording 30 3-3 Ghost AND retaining all of them throughout the game buddy, that's way too unrealistic. Retaining your extremely expensive Ghost during trades/engagements is near impossible, they may be sturdy, but for their cost, not so much. It's highly impractical/impossible to go pure mass ghost vs Protoss because of cost, supply, and the fact that they have to have support. I have no clue... okay! Try it first, when I can get to a mass-ghost late game, DemusliM certainly can as well. Wait what? A pro terran trying new stuff and having to defend himself against forumgoers? x_x wtf am i reading I might not be pro but I'm high master and I've tryed all sorts of stuff for late game TvP. I know it's just impractical to mass ghost vs Protoss in the late game. Only way to win against a good protoss lategame is to have to have the perfect mix of units and planetarys splitting the map with Nuke Harass and doom drops. I can send you a replay where a Protoss with nearly unlimited ressources (15000/8000) didn't finish me when he could and couldn't after I got my ghost count up. No amount of colossi nor anything else could save him, everything just emp'ed and cloaked ghosts are durable. =.=! Why don't you just try it, its not EASY but its do-able. Against High Level protoss players, you shouldn't win in lategame unless they make a huge mistake, or get a horrible trade and can't remax instantly with their bank. If you watch how Korean terrans play TvP, their view on the matchup is pretty much end in the early-mid game, If it goes into the late game more than likely you've lost. Find me a Pro replay of a Terran going mass ghost, sure it could be explored.. but it's just not viable unless there are changes to the cost/supply of ghost and their overall attributes. EmpireHappy, go find replays yourself. to name you one. EmpireHappy vs CreatorPrime -> Terminus. Huge macro game. Ghosts fucked Creator badly and you don't want to argue that Creator is bad in PvT, do you?
Before ghost nerf that game was played -_-, im pretty sure I know what both Kas and Happy think about TvP since im in team with them.
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On March 19 2012 03:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
This fucking balance whining is insufferable. Hey BlinG beats Demuslim AGAIN, must be Protoss rite?
TL is unusually grumpy today.
Gotta agree with TB, It's not balances fault that DeMu lost to Bling.....
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On March 19 2012 03:30 d00p wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:21 zomgE wrote:On March 19 2012 03:20 sharktopus. wrote:
I'm just now able to tune in. I saw on twitter that Destiny posted "After RotterdaM's harrassment today after my humiliating loss 0-2 to Grubby, I think I'm done with live events for a while." Can anyone explain what happened? it was a weird post match interview where they put the replay on the main screen and told destiny what he could have done better pretty much. not sure if he's serious but that's what happened I don't think he was trolling. That was some pretty fucked up shit and his right to be mad (which I think he actually is?).
Dunno, he seemed to take it so well, that I kind of feel he has to be kidding. Still it was totally unnecessary and classless. Hope atleast he isn't quitting due to it.
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Hmm a bit less downtime would be good
Might cut down the balance whining also^^
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On March 19 2012 03:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
This fucking balance whining is insufferable. Hey BlinG beats Demuslim AGAIN, must be Protoss rite?
TL is unusually grumpy today.
Thank you, you said what I couldn't.
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On March 19 2012 03:32 Asymmetric wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
This fucking balance whining is insufferable. Hey BlinG beats Demuslim AGAIN, must be Protoss rite?
TL is unusually grumpy today. I'm more disppointed by the fact you haven't forced bling to wear a top hat as part of his sponsorship.
rofl, that would be pretty funny.
I want to see bling in a tophat at the next IPL/MLG
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On March 19 2012 03:31 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:29 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:27 SupLilSon wrote:On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's I wish I had a nickel for every time I've heard this recently. For EVERY Terran TvP is their worst and for EVERY Protoss PvT is their best. Stop citing crap like that like it matters... All the Terrans that used to be known for good TvP (JJakJi, PumA, Demuslim, etc.) are mediocre at best now in PvT. DeMusliM has said himself that it is his worst matchup. He's said numerous times on stream that he doesn't understand it quite as well as he does the other two. I'm really not trying to take anything away from Bling here. He played fantastically. I'm just saying it's really not fair to compare the two players considering they play different races and have different strengths and weaknesses. I understand that, but TvP is the worst matchup for EVERY terran now, it's not relevant to say oh, this guy is not strong in TvP, that's why he lost. EVERY terran is weak in TvP.
why don't you quit beating around the bush and just say it. You think protoss is overpowered. That's ok, and it's something to discuss, but quit with all these subtle implications, just come out and say it.
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On March 19 2012 03:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
This fucking balance whining is insufferable. Hey BlinG beats Demuslim AGAIN, must be Protoss rite?
TL is unusually grumpy today.
O.O unusually? live threads are a mess every tournement.
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Heavens vs Grubby on mainstage, make it happen!
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when is polt/stephano im EST
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On March 19 2012 03:31 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:29 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:27 SupLilSon wrote:On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's I wish I had a nickel for every time I've heard this recently. For EVERY Terran TvP is their worst and for EVERY Protoss PvT is their best. Stop citing crap like that like it matters... All the Terrans that used to be known for good TvP (JJakJi, PumA, Demuslim, etc.) are mediocre at best now in PvT. DeMusliM has said himself that it is his worst matchup. He's said numerous times on stream that he doesn't understand it quite as well as he does the other two. I'm really not trying to take anything away from Bling here. He played fantastically. I'm just saying it's really not fair to compare the two players considering they play different races and have different strengths and weaknesses. I understand that, but TvP is the worst matchup for EVERY terran now, it's not relevant to say oh, this guy is not strong in TvP, that's why he lost. EVERY terran is weak in TvP.
I never said that's why he lost. He got outplayed which is why he lost.
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On March 19 2012 03:34 PaterPatriae wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
This fucking balance whining is insufferable. Hey BlinG beats Demuslim AGAIN, must be Protoss rite?
TL is unusually grumpy today. O.O unusually? live threads are a mess every tournement.
Any thread that gets to 200-300 pages in just 1-3 days is going to be a mess
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On March 19 2012 03:31 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:29 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:27 SupLilSon wrote:On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's I wish I had a nickel for every time I've heard this recently. For EVERY Terran TvP is their worst and for EVERY Protoss PvT is their best. Stop citing crap like that like it matters... All the Terrans that used to be known for good TvP (JJakJi, PumA, Demuslim, etc.) are mediocre at best now in PvT. DeMusliM has said himself that it is his worst matchup. He's said numerous times on stream that he doesn't understand it quite as well as he does the other two. I'm really not trying to take anything away from Bling here. He played fantastically. I'm just saying it's really not fair to compare the two players considering they play different races and have different strengths and weaknesses. I understand that, but TvP is the worst matchup for EVERY terran now, it's not relevant to say oh, this guy is not strong in TvP, that's why he lost. EVERY terran is weak in TvP.
You need to be banned from ever posting on TL again. Quit stating your opinions as fact. There are a number of terran who are very good at the matchup.
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On March 19 2012 03:32 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:25 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:24 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 Fragile51 wrote:On March 19 2012 03:07 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:05 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:01 Type|NarutO wrote:
30 3-3 Ghost would have won that fight without much of a problem. Too bad Terrans don't like Ghosts :/. Rofl. You have no idea. Good luck affording 30 3-3 Ghost AND retaining all of them throughout the game buddy, that's way too unrealistic. Retaining your extremely expensive Ghost during trades/engagements is near impossible, they may be sturdy, but for their cost, not so much. It's highly impractical/impossible to go pure mass ghost vs Protoss because of cost, supply, and the fact that they have to have support. I have no clue... okay! Try it first, when I can get to a mass-ghost late game, DemusliM certainly can as well. Wait what? A pro terran trying new stuff and having to defend himself against forumgoers? x_x wtf am i reading I might not be pro but I'm high master and I've tryed all sorts of stuff for late game TvP. I know it's just impractical to mass ghost vs Protoss in the late game. Only way to win against a good protoss lategame is to have to have the perfect mix of units and planetarys splitting the map with Nuke Harass and doom drops. I can send you a replay where a Protoss with nearly unlimited ressources (15000/8000) didn't finish me when he could and couldn't after I got my ghost count up. No amount of colossi nor anything else could save him, everything just emp'ed and cloaked ghosts are durable. =.=! Why don't you just try it, its not EASY but its do-able. Against High Level protoss players, you shouldn't win in lategame unless they make a huge mistake, or get a horrible trade and can't remax instantly with their bank. If you watch how Korean terrans play TvP, their view on the matchup is pretty much end in the early-mid game, If it goes into the late game more than likely you've lost. Find me a Pro replay of a Terran going mass ghost, sure it could be explored.. but it's just not viable unless there are changes to the cost/supply of ghost and their overall attributes. EmpireHappy, go find replays yourself. to name you one. EmpireHappy vs CreatorPrime -> Terminus. Huge macro game. Ghosts fucked Creator badly and you don't want to argue that Creator is bad in PvT, do you? Before ghost nerf that game was played -_-, im pretty sure I know what both Kas and Happy think about TvP since im in team with them.
Ghost deal enourmous amounts of damage to light units (zealot) which is what Protoss does remax with usually. They can nullify shields of all units and with the count you got, you can make colossi shields, archon shields all evaporate in a second. Please Beastyqt, you are good enough to know that I'm not just calling bullshit here.
Its viable even if its hard to get there. Happy snipes left over zealots, but usually didn't snipe while fighting the main engagement. He still uses that style as well... so-_-
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When the first thing DeMusliM does is tweet "protoss is actually pretty bullshit" from inside his booth immediately following the game then I think some balance discussion is inevitable 
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Damn! Bling has to play 2 in a row, wtf?
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Balance whine overwhelming. Bring the ban hammer!
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